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And having to spend any money at all to buy anything extra to retain functionality of every other card is a con. There is no getting around that.

I really hate to agree with you on anything NT, but I do agree here. :D

This omission is hardly a dealbreaker and can be worked around with that little $25 active adapter, but still annoying. It's the same situation as when mobo ports got removed over time such as IDE and PCI, for example, preventing your old, but useful, kit from being used. It's the price of progress, I guess.

I can see how it would turn off some people, but I strongly believe AMD made the right choice. The improvements AMD made to its display controller (4 links allowing 2x DL-DVI as well as three clock generators allowing 3x SL-DVI) will help more people than the lack of VGA will hurt.

I don't deny that VGA users exist or that they aren't potential customers; I just argue that the tradeoff for a better digital display controller was worth it. I don't see this as any different from other changes in the past. Back with the GTX400/HD5000 series both manufacturers got rid of S-Video and RCA outputs completely in order to allow more digital displays, and there were complaints but they were a small minority. The market is always moving to newer standards, and no matter what standard you're talking about, retaining legacy compatibility with new products has always meant buying adapters.

I don't think this means that AMD will abandon VGA on the low end just yet, but AMD has begun the march toward the death of VGA, and the high end is a good place to start. To VGA I say good riddance. I'll be glad when VGA dies as the standard to connect to projectors in meeting rooms; they always have long, low quality VGA cables. That results in a ton of noise on the video signal, which is very distracting when trying to show a presentation containing static content and high contrast.

unless they did just that, but were then aiming for the 20nm node, which at the start of 2013 was decided not to be viable in time. I think this was said over at techreport in the comments of the 290 review without providing actual proof. Your post made me think of it though, and judging by the state of affairs over at TSMC i would regard it as possible atleast, since it would mean that they had to redo quite a bit to adapt this chip for 28nm.

All very much speculation though(which i personally love to indulge in on matters like these:rolleyes:

Yeah, it is completely speculation, but speculation is fun! :D

What you describe is exactly what AMD admitted happened to Cayman/69xx. It was designed for 32nm but was moved back to 40nm because 32nm was delayed (and eventually cancelled). So I could believe that AMD wanted to take advantage of 20nm for its next high end chip, but at some point AMD realized that 20nm was too far away and needed to design a 28nm chip to suffice until 20nm chips were available. I think this happened to NVidia this time too considering that the rumors sugegst the initial Maxwell chips are 28nm instead of 20nm
 
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Yeah, I don't disagree with you Von; as I said, it's the price of progress and that's a nice expansion of the situation. :)

Another similar situation occurred when Apple were the first to abandon the floppy disc drive, remember those horrible, slow, unreliable old things? It was pretty inconvenient for quite a while, but in the end, they just weren't needed even more, even for BIOS updates or HDD utilites. Note that I've never bought Macs, so this never affected me. When the FDD was eventually removed from PC motherboards, I barely noticed, having removed my FDD drive ages before.
 
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Now AMD's True Audio makes a whole lot of sense. It's the only thing that can distract you from the horrible noise during gaming :D
 
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Now AMD's True Audio makes a whole lot of sense. It's the only thing that can distract you from the horrible noise during gaming :D

See at least this is genuinely funny bravo.
 
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Now AMD's True Audio makes a whole lot of sense. It's the only thing that can distract you from the horrible noise during gaming :D

Those of us with wifes and girlfriends who are use to the hair dryer for 1hr before going out of the house don't mind.

Those without I guess it bothers them more since the noise is mysterious.
 
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Oh AMD, you naughty you...

I have to give it to the driver team, loud, but deadly performance, there's really no reason to get a 290X for $150 more... :toast:

Oh well, such is life in the fast lane, amazing to get so much performance for such a low price, let's wait and see the response from.the green team, but for now, Bravo AMD, you deserve it.

I'm thinking of getting an accelero hybrid for my 290X and rid it from the noise and throtling, but if you do the math, getting a 290 makes much more sense, $399 + $104 for hybrid water cooling, you can't beat that combination, then you would have a silent and deadly video card :rockout:
 
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Those of us with wifes and girlfriends who are use to the hair dryer for 1hr before going out of the house don't mind.

Those without I guess it bothers them more since the noise is mysterious.

That's kind of a moot comparison. I have never dated a girl that dried her hair near my computer while I was gaming--generally such things are done in the bathroom so they can quickly transition into doing their hair with a mirror present, and those doors in the way generally muffle the sound substantially. I don't think I could deal with a GPU pumping out a constant 50+ dB, it would drive me insane. The 95c load temps also make me a little concerned, granted AMD has said the cards were designed to operate at these temperatures, I just don't like the idea of my GPU being as hot as a car engine...
 

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Oh AMD, you naughty you...

I have to give it to the driver team, loud, but deadly performance, there's really no reason to get a 290X for $150 more... :toast:

Oh well, such is life in the fast lane, amazing to get so much performance for such a low price, let's wait and see the response from.the green team, but for now, Bravo AMD, you deserve it.

I'm thinking of getting an accelero hybrid for my 290X and rid it from the noise and throtling, but if you make the math, this card makes much more sense, $399 + $104 for hybrid water cooling, you can't beat that combination, then you would have a silent and deadly video card :rockout:

Yep, the difference between the 290 and 290x is probably the smallest I have ever seen. The $150 does not match that small performance difference at all. If I was in the market for a card now, the 290 would be it. Possibly 2, and throw them on water.
 
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If neither card throttled how much of a gain would the 290x have over the 290? Anyone have any idea?
 
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If neither card throttled how much of a gain would the 290x have over the 290? Anyone have any idea?

9-15% actually but effective well.
 
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That's kind of a moot comparison. I have never dated a girl that dried her hair near my computer while I was gaming--generally such things are done in the bathroom so they can quickly transition into doing their hair with a mirror present, and those doors in the way generally muffle the sound substantially. I don't think I could deal with a GPU pumping out a constant 50+ dB, it would drive me insane. The 95c load temps also make me a little concerned, granted AMD has said the cards were designed to operate at these temperatures, I just don't like the idea of my GPU being as hot as a car engine...

Its 49dba at 100cm with a case panel off and depending on which one it is he could be reflecting the noise towards him.



Unless your planning on running it like that. The noise no matter what card it is will be muffled as soon as you put on the panel. To the degree its muffled it depends on your case and if you have your exhaust pointed at the wall or object in order for the sound to reflect back to you.

As far as the temps. You could do what you did to your CPU and get or wait for a non-reference cooler.
 
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Well if you're still using an old CRT with no desire or need to upgrade that is kind of a big negative.

And who, pray tell, is this freak of whom you speak? Who is still x-raying himself unneccessarily and pointing an electron gun at his brain, and still squinting manically at a by-now blurry as hell CRT?

Even I, Mr. Trinitron himself, finally caved in and bought 3 22" LCDs back in 2011 as my last Viewsonic 19" trinitron monitor finally started to distort and bleed colour. If you're still somehow using a CRT, I have one word for you: melanoma.

Spare yourself the brain cancer and get rid of that tumor-in-a-box once and for all! And while you're at it, make sure the replacement flat screen monitor you buy has a DVI or HDMI input.
 
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Even I, Mr. Trinitron himself, finally caved in and bought 3 22" LCDs back in 2011

and I actually searched if that person ever existed and invented the monitors
 

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dat price :O
 
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and I actually searched if that person ever existed and invented the monitors

:laugh: Really? A few of my friends used to call me 'Mr. Trinitron' back in the day, as I always insisted on a trinitron picture tube monitor. I even demanded one at work when such a request would very likely be seen as verging on the unreasonable.

Couldn't stand the non-trinitron tubes. They weren't sharp enough or flat enough horizontally for me. People might have thought I was being a snob back then for insisting on trinitron, but my eyesight is still good at 44 years old, and most of them are wearing glasses. With the advent of >19" LCDs for sane prices, I finally saw an alternative that was sufficient for me to switch. Mind you, I still kind of miss the extra colour dynamics the flourescing picture elements of the trinitron tube provided over LCD, which gave game elements a slightly more cartoonish tinge (Diablo II never looked so good as on a trinitron monitor). Kinda of like the difference between colour on a plasma display and an LCD.
 
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From the review:
REVIEW said:
Display connectivity options include two DVI ports, one HDMI port, and one DisplayPort. You may use all outputs at the same time, so triple-monitor surround gaming is possible with one card.
Is that true? I may use 4 outputs at the same time? Isn't the HDMI shared with one DVI-D?
At least on the old cards, (for instance HD5870): triple monitor Eyefinity is only possible with 2 x DVI together with (native) DP (or an active adapter), not with the HDMI.
REVIEW said:
Please note that the DVI outputs no longer support analog monitors. AMD also improved their display controller hardware, so you can now use three HDMI/DVI monitors at the same time without having to buy an active DP-to-DVI adapter (this was a requirement to providing the TMDS clock signal for the third card on previous generation cards) .
Oh now it is three.
"(this was a requirement to providing the TMDS clock signal for the third card on previous generation cards)"
For the third card???? Doesn't it mean for the third monitor?
 
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From the review:
Is that true? I may use 4 outputs at the same time? Isn't the HDMI shared with one DVI-D?
At least on the old cards, triple monitor Eyefinity is only possible with 2 x DVI together with (native) DP (or an active adapter), not with the HDMI.

I'm running 3x22" LG monitors in eyefinity off of one Gigabyte 7950 card using the single DVI port and two $30 mini display port --> DVI adapters connected to the two mini display ports without any problems. Eyefinity set up without issues.
 

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You no longer need an active adapter. And yes it's supposed to mean "monitor", not "card"
 
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I think I found my next card!

 
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W1zzard, it goes without saying that we are all dying to read reviews for the custom cooled versions of the R9 290(X).

Any ideas yet when you MAY have a card to review from Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, etc.? Even a blatant guess on your part would be appreciated!
 
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A Swedish magazine already debunked this. They bought over the counter samples and tested against review samples and they were just a fast. Absolutely no difference.

More likely is that whoever got a bad results didn't have enough cooling and that the card went into thermal throttling.

http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/...der-for-golden-samples-sweclockers-undersoker
 
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A Swedish magazine already debunked this. They bought over the counter samples and tested against review samples and they were just a fast. Absolutely no difference.

More likely is that whoever got a bad results didn't have enough cooling and that the card went into thermal throttling.

http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/...der-for-golden-samples-sweclockers-undersoker

So you haven't read the article you link to? You are not aware of the extensive update on that page?
 
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W1zzard, it goes without saying that we are all dying to read reviews for the custom cooled versions of the R9 290(X).

Any ideas yet when you MAY have a card to review from Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, etc.? Even a blatant guess on your part would be appreciated!

I have no concrete info, my guess is later this year

W1zzard are you faliliar with this?

While I have no data, I doubt these results. It's probably bad case ventilation or user error. I uploaded the press BIOSes for R9 290 and R9 290X to our BIOS collection on launch day, so everybody can verify.
 
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