AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Boosts up to 3.10 GHz, Board Power Can Reach up to 330W

[lilhasselhoffer]

Let me first drop some rationality to everyone here....who seems to want to quibble.
Steam says we don't play 2024 games in 2024

If you're too lazy to read even the headline, it's that most users in 2024 (85%) didn't play any games released in 2024.



What exactly does this say about gaming? In my world, the clear truth is that most people don't value RT because they literally cannot use it. That's pretty obvious, but you're welcome to debate the whole "if they had it, they'd use it" equivocation. Now...combine that with the B580 absolutely killing it over this holiday season, and the conclusion is pretty clear. What consumers want is games that are fun to play, not driven by any "message," and they want hardware that they don't have to sell a kidney for. It's my belief that if AMD can come in with the 9070 XT...or the 8800...or whatever the official name comes out being, they can beat Nvidia and get that market share back.

I'm sure that plenty of people will argue that the 5080 will trounce the 9070...and I don't care. I can rock 4k worth or pixels with 144 hz performance on a 3080...let alone anything higher. It was priced at an MSRP of 699 USD. This was pre-pandemic, when Nvidia and AMD had to actually compete for market share instead of printing money with "AI" stickers being worth hundreds of dollars once slapped onto a GPU...and I think AMD has had that come to jesus moment and decided to stop competing for that halo market which cannot be profitable because there's so little volume.


You are welcome to hate AMD, Nvidia, and Intel. That said, this is about not accepting that they are charging egregious prices for generational gaps that are often not down to an investment in technology, but development of shiny new things that literally don't benefit 85% of the community...and that's a generous interpretation. If the halo 5% of the 15% is actually who can purchase high end hardware then you're looking at 0.75% of people. That's just silly to focus on, when the investment in producing cards amortized over 100k cards versus 2k cards requires them to cost 50 times as much. Remember kids, overhead costs can kill businesses and profitability faster than most other bad decisions.

 

[Random_User]

It will have to be far more serious than that. Maybe -150/200 to really stir the fear. The alleged purpose is to regain market share. That will certainly do it.

Too bad, AMD doesn’t understand that. They use way inferior nodes, and their dies are still smaller. The VRAM is also much cheaper, and slower. PCB, AIB or Reference, are still not a rocket engineering. I don't know what AMD smokes, when they form their MSRPs, pricing it marginaly further then NVidia counterparts, so they do match, basicaly. They still behave, like this is 2013 all over again, and they still have parity...

That's just an excuse for not making enthusiast cards. Enthusiast cards sell also midrange and low end cards.

Don’t worry, they will glady price their, did and low-end cards pretty Enthusiast-ish. AMD is a premium brand, after all. They still consider their convulsing RTG, a rival to GeForce.

 

[3valatzy]

Not a news, but still - good for us.

AMD Radeon RX 9070 series reportedly sticking to 8-pin power connectors, launch end of January - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 without 12V-2×6 connector The company will reportedly not mandate the use of the newer connector. However, that doesn’t mean there won’t be Radeon GPUs equipped with it. Benchlife covered one of this week’s leaks about the Radeon RX 9070 series. The rumors...

videocardz.com

 

[AusWolf]

It should also generate power and cool my CPU.

And make coffee.

Let me first drop some rationality to everyone here....who seems to want to quibble.
Steam says we don't play 2024 games in 2024

If you're too lazy to read even the headline, it's that most users in 2024 (85%) didn't play any games released in 2024.

What exactly does this say about gaming?

To me, it says that the majority of modern AAA games are crap, therefore, whether you have the latest and greatest doesn't matter. You can still run your old classics on your last gen card.

Personally, I also think that we're overloaded with entertainment these days and a lot of us have had enough. We want quality, not quantity even if big game studios think otherwise.

 

[The Shield]

They don't have resources to spare for the gaming market, a market that is hostile to them.

The gaming market grew hostile to them due to AMD predatory pricing policy started around 2017, something that erased the gamers-friendly reputation they built in the previous 15 years.
You can't sell the Rx 580 for 1.000 bucks and not to expect the environment to become "hostile" (unless you are named Nvidia, of course).

 

[AusWolf]

The gaming market grew hostile to them due to AMD predatory pricing policy started around 2017, something that erased the gamers-friendly reputation they built in the previous 15 years.
You can't sell the Rx 580 for 1.000 bucks and not to expect the environment to become "hostile" (unless you are named Nvidia, of course).

What predatory pricing policy? What are you talking about?

 

[john_]

The gaming market grew hostile to them due to AMD predatory pricing policy started around 2017, something that erased the gamers-friendly reputation they built in the previous 15 years.
You can't sell the Rx 580 for 1.000 bucks and not to expect the environment to become "hostile" (unless you are named Nvidia, of course).

Nvidia 65%-75% margins. It's fine.
AMD 45%-50% margins. Predatory pricing. RX 580 for $1000.....

More and more clues are posted to see, for anyone asking "Why do we have a monopoly today?".

 

[Mr_Engineer]

We have to keep a few things in mind here:

1. $1 today is not the same as $1 ten years ago (this goes for any currency). The time of high end graphics cards selling for $500 or $600 is in the past unfortunately.
2. Some years back, TSMC had other competitors that were close in process technology, namely Intel and Samsung:
a. Even Nvidia (RTX 30xx) and Apple used Samsung 8nm process which was pretty good at the time
b. Currently TSMC is way ahead and their Fabs are running at full capacity
c. Many other companies use TSMC including Apple, Qualcomm, Mediatek and others
d. The AI craze is adding an even higher strain on the already strained capacity at TSMC
e. TSMC can charge whatever they want especially for their bleeding edge processes and this will ultimately reflect on the consumer (you and me)

I am not saying this to justify the absurd prices that Nvidia and even AMD are charging, but this is how things are now. If AMD is serious about gaining market share with RDNA4 cards, then these cards need to tick all the right boxes, price, performance, power draw, RT gains etc.

Nvidia will continue to charge higher and higher prices as long as there is no competition, and it seems like it will be this way for a while.

 

[AusWolf]

We have to keep a few things in mind here:

1. $1 today is not the same as $1 ten years ago (this goes for any currency). The time of high end graphics cards selling for $500 or $600 is in the past unfortunately.
2. Some years back, TSMC had other competitors that were close in process technology, namely Intel and Samsung:
a. Even Nvidia (RTX 30xx) and Apple used Samsung 8nm process which was pretty good at the time
b. Currently TSMC is way ahead and their Fabs are running at full capacity
c. Many other companies use TSMC including Apple, Qualcomm, Mediatek and others
d. The AI craze is adding an even higher strain on the already strained capacity at TSMC
e. TSMC can charge whatever they want especially for their bleeding edge processes and this will ultimately reflect on the consumer (you and me)

I am not saying this to justify the absurd prices that Nvidia and even AMD are charging, but this is how things are now. If AMD is serious about gaining market share with RDNA4 cards, then these cards need to tick all the right boxes, price, performance, power draw, RT gains etc.

Nvidia will continue to charge higher and higher prices as long as there is no competition, and it seems like it will be this way for a while.

That's all nice and fine, but as long as I don't have more cash in my pocket, Nvidia can put their ever increasing prices where the sun don't shine, all reasons aside.

 

[The Shield]

Nvidia 65%-75% margins. It's fine.
AMD 45%-50% margins. Predatory pricing. RX 580 for $1000.....

More and more clues are posted to see, for anyone asking "Why do we have a monopoly today?".

Trying not to be ad AMD promoter may help you in understanding what I said.
I never said Nvida is better than Amd, and if you manage to keep your rage under control and re-read my comment, you'll see it with your own eyes.
And no: invented-by-yourself 75% Nvidia gross margins, AMD data of the whoole company, and pretending not to know what happened in 2017/2018 - don't prove anything about the GPUs situation.
And I NEVER bought an Nvidia card in my life.

 

[john_]

Trying not to be ad AMD promoter may help you in understanding what I said.
I never said Nvida is better than Amd, and if you manage to keep your rage under control and re-read my comment, you'll see it with your own eyes.
And no: invented-by-yourself 75% Nvidia gross margins, AMD data of the whoole company, and pretending not to know what happened in 2017/2018 - don't prove anything about the GPUs situation.
And I NEVER bought an Nvidia card in my life.

Oh, now you know me and you can construct my psychological profile? Interesting.

First I am trying to be nothing. Describing me as an AMD promoter says something about you, not me.
No, you never said something about Nvidia, you just threw all the focus on AMD.
Rage? Are you kidding me? You think I am 15? Maybe you are 15? Rage.... for graphics cards. What's next? Rage for the logo on paper towels. I am just saying that we ended up in a monopoly. You disagree? You believe that someone who describes the current situation in the GPU market as a monopoly, is doing it out of rage?
As for Nvidia's margins. I have news for you.

What happened in 2017/2018?
And I never bought AMD hardware in my life. Trust me. I am unknown person on the Internet. Obviously I am telling you the truth.

 

[Dawora]

Oh, now you know me and you can construct my psychological profile? Interesting.

First I am trying to be nothing. Describing me as an AMD promoter says something about you, not me.
No, you never said something about Nvidia, you just threw all the focus on AMD.
Rage? Are you kidding me? You think I am 15? Maybe you are 15? Rage.... for graphics cards. What's next? Rage for the logo on paper towels. I am just saying that we ended up in a monopoly. You disagree? You believe that someone who describes the current situation in the GPU market as a monopoly, is doing it out of rage?
As for Nvidia's margins. I have news for you.
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What happened in 2017/2018?
And I never bought AMD hardware in my life. Trust me. I am unknown person on the Internet. Obviously I am telling you the truth.

Nvidia rules! Thats how i see it
Nvidia have best GPUs and i realy enjoy gaming using Nvidia Gpus.

 

[john_]

Nvidia rules! Thats how i see it
Nvidia have best GPUs and i realy enjoy gaming using Nvidia Gpus.

Well they do. And they do have the best GPUs. No one says otherwise.
But other products in the market might be better choices for some people. Some might be better with an AMD RX 7800XT, others would be better with an Intel B580 than going with Nvidia offerings at the same price points.
Anyway, get your wallet ready for the RTX 5000. That's how you will truly show your

 

[Dawora]

Well they do. And they do have the best GPUs. No one says otherwise.
But other products in the market might be better choices for some people. Some might be better with an AMD RX 7800XT, others would be better with an Intel B580 than going with Nvidia offerings at the same price points.
Anyway, get your wallet ready for the RTX 5000. That's how you will truly show your

GPU cost is so tiny amount vs everything else.
Car,gasoline, house, living so GPU cost is nothing to compare those.
That why im not crying about prices
i use it next two years and then i sell it and buy new one

And its have to be a Nvidia again because i wont downgrade my PC

 

[Sir Beregond]

AMD has less than 20% market share. Maybe what...less than 10% soon enough?

If they are actually serious about continuing to make gaming graphics for PCs that aren't only catered to AMD fanboys, then they need to do better. That doesn't mean just a $50 price drop from Nvidia prices when their RT performance is always a generation behind, and at some point it will mean needing consistent competing products across the entire stack. As it is they keep having to "go back to the drawing board" so to speak every few gens. You don't win market share like that.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

2021 was worse than even 2018, IIRC! That was when a scalper wanted at least almost $1,000 for an RX 580! (A 200-dollar video card) Same with very-early 2022. But I saw hope in spring of 2022, finally!

November, 2020, was the last time I could get a new video card, before I had to skip an entire year!

'21 will be forever known as the year of the "video-card-market-Armageddon"!

In 2018, it did suck, possibly the same for 2017, but 2021 took the cake! I knew something was wrong when I saw GTX 1050s for GTX 1060 prices, but still wasn't bad like '21!

I accidentally bricked my Navi10 in December, 2021! But I just popped in my Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 Super. I got that card in 2020.

Then I had a major comeback in July, 2022, when I got the RX 6750 XT!

Anyway, get your wallet ready for the RTX 5000.

I'm an Alchemist man!

 

[DaemonForce]

What happened in 2017/2018?

War were declared.

Not everything fits in your stupid tech bubble. It gets invaded in WAVES by tourists, bottom feeders, sneakerheads, etc.
Everyone remembers the GME memes for a reason. They marked an event in this history.

I'm an Alchemist man!

Based.

 

[Mr_Engineer]

Not sure which process are the RX 90x0 GPUs built on (3nm or 4nm), but it seems like prices will only keep going up unfortunately.

TSMC Arizona Set to Begin 4nm Production in H2 2025, Costs Expected To Be Up to 30% Higher Than In Taiwan

 

[Steevo]

My 7900XTX runs 3.1Ghz, if it doesn’t do something more magical like better compute/CUDA why would I or anyone pay more than $550? I’m honestly considering trading out for the green camp for compute power inF@H since all else is the same at this point

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Not sure which process are the RX 90x0 GPUs built on (3nm or 4nm), but it seems like prices will only keep going up unfortunately.

TSMC Arizona Set to Begin 4nm Production in H2 2025, Costs Expected To Be Up to 30% Higher Than In Taiwan

Private companies didn't obliged to choice TSMC Arizona.
Ps. Yet.

 

[Super XP]

And its have to be a Nvidia again because i wont downgrade my PC

Buying a AMD Radeon GPU does not downgrade your PC. That is total nonsense and fanboyish talk.

What happened in 2017/2018?

That was the point in time where Nvidia surpassed AMD significantly, where AMD had a GPU that was competitive to Nvidia's offerings at a 1:1 basis so AMD chose to price its GPU higher to the "Already" "Overpriced" Nvidia GPU so it could match it. Huge Mistake. As soon as they did that, Nvidia started to go on a Rampage where they increased the cost of their GPUs significantly, where AMD would not be able to compete with them in performance. Then Nvidia began to bully OEMs & game devs/companies to prioritize their tech all while neglecting AMDs tech etc., Or something like that.

 

[john_]

I'm an Alchemist man!

Get ready to be upgraded to Battlemage.

2021 was worse than even 2018, IIRC! That was when a scalper wanted at least almost $1,000 for an RX 580! (A 200-dollar video card) Same with very-early 2022. But I saw hope in spring of 2022, finally!

November, 2020, was the last time I could get a new video card, before I had to skip an entire year!

'21 will be forever known as the year of the "video-card-market-Armageddon"!

In 2018, it did suck, possibly the same for 2017, but 2021 took the cake! I knew something was wrong when I saw GTX 1050s for GTX 1060 prices, but still wasn't bad like '21!

I accidentally bricked my Navi10 in December, 2021! But I just popped in my Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 Super. I got that card in 2020.

Then I had a major comeback in July, 2022, when I got the RX 6750 XT!

Fortunately for me my needs where much less. There where so many games out there to play, no reason to start hunting AAA. I could even throw some nostalgia there if wanted, by starting a Starcraft, or going even further back and remind me my 80's era, (re)playing games like SWIV or Flying Shark. An enjoyable game is an enjoyable game, no matter the graphics. And some of those 40 years old gems, look much better than indies that are released today.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Get ready to be upgraded to Battlemage.


Fortunately for me my needs where much less. There where so many games out there to play, no reason to start hunting AAA. I could even throw some nostalgia there if wanted, by starting a Starcraft, or going even further back and remind me my 80's era, (re)playing games like SWIV or Flying Shark. An enjoyable game is an enjoyable game, no matter the graphics. And some of those 40 years old gems, look much better than indies that are released today.

I got lucky that I played mostly stuff from the time before GTX 16 series even existed.

 

[Kapone33]

@AusWolf i suppose we all make trade-offs, lowering setting to increase fps is a trade off visually, just like upscaling is. Often times I even do both.

Talking from the perspective of thinking upscaling is great, I can get an imperceptible loss (I don't see this blur) to clarity and trade that against increased visuals, sometimes even a generational difference in visuals. There's a reason people use statements like "free fps", because it can absolutely feel that way. Will that hold true for everyone? Of course not. Never mind our own tastes, everyone's setup is unique too. I don't think anyone is wrong or 'stupid' to game the way they do, but I get the impression at least relative to this forum I give people a bit more credit than being the easily influenced sheep some (not necessarily you specifically) call them.

So I play my Games at 4K high with the Contrast and Saturation turned way up. The image looks plenty fine to me. That is the thing for me if your GPU can support 4K native. There is no need for anything else. Do we use RT to watch YT videos in 4K? Some people think that GPUs can't do 4K native but that is not true unless you add things like Path Tracing and such. I tried DLSS and FSR and don't like either. Maybe the 4000 series improved that but I am not paying double for a better experience. I just like to play Games, the only thing I turn off is Vsync. If the Game engine is capable I will leave things at Ultra. The actual only Game that makes me use an upscaler is City Skylines 2, but that is when the population is over 900,000 and I have over 60 Bus routes, 40 Train Stations and 50 Subway Stations. I turn on Hyper RX to improve frames. Funnily the Game only has DLSS support to improve frames. There is one advantage of an open source solution. I don't have to wait for the developer to improve the engine.

 

[john_]

GPU cost is so tiny amount vs everything else.
Car,gasoline, house, living so GPU cost is nothing to compare those.
That why im not crying about prices
i use it next two years and then i sell it and buy new one

And its have to be a Nvidia again because i wont downgrade my PC

$1000-$2000 for a high end graphics card is not tiny, expect if we are talking about RX 6400 and GTX 1630. Now if you own a Ferrari, parked in a villa, eating caviar every day, yep, the cost of a GPU is tiny indeed.
In that case obviously you don't have a reason to be crying about pricing, but considering that most people are not rich, the least someone can do is to object for the prices going up and the stagnation in performance that we see in the sub $800 market.
I have the same approach in my classroom. When a student of mine having scored 20 out of 20, rushes to say "the exam was easy" I turn to him and say "congrats, but don't talk for the whole class".