AMD Ryzen 7 5700X

[ratirt]

from the review itself:

• Ryzen 7 5800X offers better price/performance for $10 more
• Intel Core i5-12600K (6+4 cores) is cheaper and faster

don't go crazy with all that money from the savings. A coffee maybe

True and you would literally see no difference in gaming with either of those nor difference in daily tasks you would be doing on a PC. So whatever you choose, must be meeting your expectations and preference. Either if it will be 5800x or 5700x or 12600k for gaming or office use, net surfing etc. makes literally no difference.
My example. I got what I got if I had a 12700K with RTX 3080 TI would have made no difference in my use case.
Everything requiring some processing power I do on my ThreadRippers.

 

[Bomby569]

You kinda mixed 5800X and 5800X3D before
I also think the number of users that wouldn't spend $10 for the extra HP (even if they underclock/undervolt to keep TDP in check) has to be rather small.
Fwiw 5800X3D is also a tough proposition. 5900X is cheaper and almost always faster.

yep my bad i kept for some reason saying x3d

 

[Juventas]

i doubt anyone is shopping for TDP or W.

If you're running a fanless set up with the Noctua NH-P1 or Thermalright Macho Zero you certainly are.

Also, for enterprise desktops, 65W processors in a small form factor (SFF) is basically the standard.

 

[Bomby569]

If you're running a fanless set up with the Noctua NH-P1 or Thermalright Macho Zero you certainly are.

Also, for enterprise desktops, 65W processors in a small form factor (SFF) is basically the standard.

fanless is going very niche now, and depending on what enterprise solution we are talking about most cases none of this applies, buying a gpu off the shelf and at retail prices.

 

[Pepamami]

fanless is going very niche now, and depending on what enterprise solution we are talking about most cases none of this applies, buying a gpu off the shelf and at retail prices.

You need "advanced" cooler to cool 5800X due its 7nm and only 1 CCD to spread all 125W+
How I gonna "recommend" to buy 5800X instead of 5700X, when 5700X needs only "basic" cooler, and provides good performance? Where 5800X overheat not even worth performance gain for most PC users. When I can put 5700X inside any (with bios support) motherboard on market.

 

[bug]

You need "advanced" cooler to cool 5800X due its 7nm and only 1 CCD to spread all 125W+
How I gonna "recommend" to buy 5800X instead of 5700X, when 5700X needs only "basic" cooler, and provides good performance? Where 5800X overheat not even worth performance gain for most PC users.

5800X will work just fine with a "basic" cooler. It will just boost less.

 

[Pepamami]

5800X will work just fine with a "basic" cooler. It will just boost less.

U suggest, its ok to run it 90C?
I have 5800X with NH-D14 and its hot as hell without TBO2 limits and curve configuration, when hits "default" ~140W power draw on any multicore tasks.
Not every user can configure TBO2, so why would I recommend 5800X over 5700X? Few extra performance points over super temperatures penalty?

 

[bug]

U suggest, its ok to run it 90C?
I have 5800X with NH-D14 and its hot as hell without TBO2 limits and curve configuration, when hits "default" ~140W power draw on any multicore tasks.
Not every user can configure TBO2, so why would I recommend 5800X over 5700X? Few extra performance points over super temperatures penalty?

If the cooler won't cool as well, it will not draw 140W. It will draw as much as the cooler can handle.

You've said it yourself, 5700X is basically the same chip (probably a worse bin), so I don't see why you'd not spend $10 more for the extra HP. Even if you pair it with a cheap cooler and undervolt/underclock, I'd still feel better knowing there's extra juice there, should I need it.

 

[Pepamami]

If the cooler won't cool as well, it will not draw 140W. It will draw as much as the cooler can handle.

You've said it yourself, 5700X is basically the same chip (probably a worse bin), so I don't see why you'd not spend $10 more for the extra HP. Even if you pair it with a cheap cooler and undervolt/underclock, I'd still feel better knowing there's extra juice there, should I need it.

Its not zen2, that gives extra Mhz from free temperature window, it will downclock only when hit 90C.
For >>most<< people 5800X is not better over 5700X. Most people cant do "undervolt/underclock". They will buy 5800X and make another post on reddit with "help! my CPU running 90C 24/7! Need FIX! help".
+200Mhz over additional (up to double) power consumption does not worth troubles for >>most<< users. Thats why 5700X got recommended label: ez to use and good performance.

 

[Bomby569]

You need "advanced" cooler to cool 5800X due its 7nm and only 1 CCD to spread all 125W+
How I gonna "recommend" to buy 5800X instead of 5700X, when 5700X needs only "basic" cooler, and provides good performance? Where 5800X overheat not even worth performance gain for most PC users. When I can put 5700X inside any (with bios support) motherboard on market.

undervolt it, underclock it, it's easy. The CPU will draw and make as much heat as you want, you can make it as slow and as cool by capping it as you want. The max is limited, the min is not (given some restrictions but you get what i am saying). Then buy a decent cooler later.
What makes no sense is buying a worst product for about the same price. If you later can upgrade the cooler your done.

 

[Udyr]

undervolt it, underclock it, it's easy. The CPU will draw and make as much heat as you want, you can make it as slow and as cool by capping it as you want. The max is limited, the min is not (given some restrictions but you get what i am saying). Then buy a decent cooler later.
What makes no sense is buying a worst product for about the same price. If you later can upgrade the cooler your done.

At that point you're spending $10 extra on the CPU (depending on the date of purchase) and +/- $60 for a decent air cooler (Ex: Fuma 2) to handle the heat from the stock 5800X... all that for an extra ~10% performance?

...and more money on the cooler if the user feels like squeezing extra juice from the CPU.

@W1zzard You opened Pandora's box with the highly recommended badge.

 

[Pepamami]

What makes no sense is buying a worst product for about the same price.

The fun thing, its not "worst", since out of box its operate on more better temperatures and power, and additional 200Mhz boost for 10$ does not worth the price (for most people) of additional heat and powerdraw, aka buying 5800X instead.

 

[Taraquin]

Pricewise 5700X should cost 249usd tops and should include a basic cooler as it is easier to cool than both 5600 and 5600X. I was really impressed by temperatures! It`s interesting to see that the 5600 and 5600X which consumes the same is quite a bit hotter even though they have similar surfacearea (6 vs 8 cores on chiplets).

As for comparison with 12600KF with prices where I live:
B450 70usd B550 90usd
5700X 330usd
400-420usd

B660 120usd Z690 180usd
12600KF 300usd
420-480usd

Stock 12600KF performs 6% better at 720p with 5700X using PBO. 12600KF could run 3-4% faster on top of that with a Z690 and OC. Overall 12600KF wins at bang for bucks. If 5700X had cost 50usd less the would have been very close.

I hope AMD drop the price on 5700X, it can`t compete with Alder lake as it stands now, and the perf uplift from the significantly cheaper 5600 and 5600X is not impressive.

 

[Bomby569]

At that point you're spending $10 extra on the CPU (depending on the date of purchase) and +/- $60 for a decent air cooler (Ex: Fuma 2) to handle the heat from the stock 5800X... all that for an extra ~10% performance?

...and more money on the cooler if the user feels like squeezing extra juice from the CPU.

@W1zzard You opened Pandora's box with the highly recommended badge.

i can only assume you can't read

 

[Pepamami]

I hope AMD drop the price on 5700X, it can`t compete with Alder lake as it stands now

amd always adjust prices to demand/availability, so price will change accordingly.
5700X still have lower power consumption than 12600k. Some people dont want to deal with Intel (counterpart to people who dont want to deal with AMD). Tons of AM4 motherboards on secondhand market.

 

[ratirt]

Pricewise 5700X should cost 249usd tops and should include a basic cooler as it is easier to cool than both 5600 and 5600X. I was really impressed by temperatures! It`s interesting to see that the 5600 and 5600X which consumes the same is quite a bit hotter even though they have similar surfacearea (6 vs 8 cores on chiplets).

As for comparison with 12600KF with prices where I live:
B450 70usd B550 90usd
5700X 330usd
400-420usd

B660 120usd Z690 180usd
12600KF 300usd
420-480usd

Stock 12600KF performs 6% better at 720p with 5700X using PBO. 12600KF could run 3-4% faster on top of that with a Z690 and OC. Overall 12600KF wins at bang for bucks. If 5700X had cost 50usd less the would have been very close.

I hope AMD drop the price on 5700X, it can`t compete with Alder lake as it stands now, and the perf uplift from the significantly cheaper 5600 and 5600X is not impressive.

I'm sure the price will drop. It has always been this way. The processor just launch give it a bit of time and you will see price cuts.
BTW. which board have you seen for 180USD z690? The only one I could find was Z690 Phantom gaming 4 but that one is more than $200
Could not find any for $180

 

[Udyr]

i can only assume you can't read

I can only assume you ran out of arguments and getting personal.

Off-topic and we should carry on with our lives.

 

[W1zzard]

5700X is $250 now, 5800X is $275

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-5700X-16-Thread-Unlocked-Processor/dp/B09VCHQHZ6/

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5800X-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0815XFSGK

http://imgur.com/kBcGQuF

 

[ratirt]

5700X is $250 now, 5800X is $275

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-5700X-16-Thread-Unlocked-Processor/dp/B09VCHQHZ6/

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5800X-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0815XFSGK

http://imgur.com/kBcGQuF

Already dropped in price. No shock there to be fair. For me it was inevitable.

 

[PanicLake]

@W1zzard I understand that it takes time but at this point I don't believe you are going to add the 3700X to the charts and you where just teasing me.

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard I understand that it takes time but at this point I don't believe you are going to add the 3700X to the charts and you where just teasing me.

Unfortunately that seems to be true. I didn't intend to just tease you, but can't find the time right now.

Looking at my previous review, based on the deltas to 3900X i'd say 15% in apps, and 15% at 1080p

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Review

AMD's $330 Ryzen 7 3700X is an 8-core, 16-thread CPU that's clocked high enough to compete with Intel's offerings. Actually, its application performance matches even the more expensive Intel Core i9-9900K. Gaming performance has been increased significantly, too, thanks to the improved...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Chomiq]

@W1zzard I understand that it takes time but at this point I don't believe you are going to add the 3700X to the charts and you where just teasing me.

Or maybe you should stop making it about yourself and think about the fact that @W1zzard just became a father and has other things on his mind.

 

[W1zzard]

Or maybe you should stop making it about yourself and think about the fact that @W1zzard just became a father and has other things on his mind.

Besides my "usual" TPU workload I'm also working on three rebenches at the same time .. SSDs with 12400F + new apps/games/everything, GPUs with new games new drivers, CPUs with new apps/games/everything ... 2 months of work. I'll make sure to include more older CPUs in the retest. and probably 3600 CL14 for all the naysayers who think 3600 CL16 is unfair to AMD

 

[Taraquin]

I think I speak for most here when I say TPUbus one of the best tech review sites and I'm grateful for all the good work they do

 

[The King]

Or maybe you should stop making it about yourself and think about the fact that @W1zzard just became a father and has other things on his mind.

Its news to me or maybe I missed the post/thread.

Congratulations! @W1zzard