AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

[kaos043]

Can't justify upgrading from 5800x since most games I play are GPU heavy at 1440p. Maybe next year.

 

[bug]

You should do a fresh install anyway,

You should, if you still live in the year 2000

this is a non-issue for 99.9999% of the users.

That's true. But I can't help wondering wth they have messed up that it isn't rolled back by uninstalling previous drivers (and even copying the power profile from a working PC).

 

[W1zzard]

232.7 points per watt with 18475pts means that the processor consumes 79.43 Watts?!?

Correct

 

[wNotyarD]

@W1zzard for the RPCS3 test AVX-512 is disabled for all CPUs, right? What performance is attainable on Zen 4 (especially the 7800X3D) when AVX-512 is enabled?

 

[Niarod]

Nice review! This CPU is a well balanced monster. I couldn't resist and bought the 770X a few months back though...

On the conclusions page I read "Long boot times (fixed on some motherboards)".
Is there a comparison between main high end (X670E) motherboards' boot times from when the platform was first published and now? Which are these motherboards the issue is fixed on?

I don't see much of a difference on my Asus TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI with bios updates...maybe the last beta bios reduced a few seconds but nothing special. I have 2x16GB gskill AMD expo modules running at DDR5 6000.

Thanks in advance .

 

[W1zzard]

That's not really an AMD issue ~ it's a Windows issue, more specifically an OS issue.

You can run multiple benches with the same OS image on one system 10 times & all 10 times you could see (vastly) different benchmark results!

Definitely an AMD issue. Normally you can use the same image/installation across a wide range of hardware, especially with Windows 10 and Windows 11.

@W1zzard for the RPCS3 test AVX-512 is disabled for all CPUs, right? What performance is attainable on Zen 4 (especially the 7800X3D) when AVX-512 is enabled?

AVX512 is enabled where supported. My 2022 CPU bench used a version that didn't support AVX512 in Zen 4. With the 2023 rebench this has been addressed, and I'm using the latest version as of January 2023

Edit: I added a note in the description, specifically pointing out AVX-512 on Zen 4

 

[adilazimdegilx]

Looks like AMD didn't fuck anything this time. 7800x3d is the best gaming processor money can buy. Even I wasn't expecting it to be this faster on average after seeing 7950x3d results being very close to 13900k. PBO max is also looking great (I'm surprised), few watts increase for decent performance jump.
All I need now is to see 50 games benchmark. @W1zzard thank you for detailed review, as always.

 

[bug]

Can't justify upgrading from 5800x since most games I play are GPU heavy at 1440p. Maybe next year.

Upgrading almost never makes sense if you don't skip 1 or 2 generations.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm not knocking what you said about the CPUs, their results speak for themselves. I'm just saying each year we do the annual "the king is dead, long live the king!" crowning.

Yeah, and it really comes down to what releases when. Also I'm willing to bet most 13900k owners aren't going to lose sleep over a couple % stock vs stock.

It's good for the industry in general I hope intel comes out with somthing that clearly beats this at a similar price point and then amd does it again. No need to fanboy it up.

Somtimes I feel like I'm in the twilight zone I remember when the 3000 series launched even though it was pretty great was still behind in gaming but amd fanboys where like but the MT performance kills intel now it's reversed to a certain extent the 7800X3D is killer at gaming but in general loses to an i5 in MT lol. Don't get me wrong if I was buying a cpu tomorrow it would be this one but I just find the narratives and how they change funny.

 

[BoboOOZ]

You should, if you still live in the year 2000

No, you should because you're installing a different CPU and you want to have a stable system with high performances. Most of the guys buying this will come from AM4 or Intel, so there is no sound option not to do a fresh install. I mean, we're in 2023, that's why we have fast SSD, not like back in 2000

That's true. But I can't help wondering wth they have messed up that it isn't rolled back by uninstalling previous drivers (and even copying the power profile from a working PC).

They must've thought that the few hours of dev work are not worth it just for the few cases that are out there in the wild, mainly testers. But it might give them more bad press than it's worth, precisely because of that.

 

[THU31]

Insane efficiency. Raptor Lake pushed clocks and voltages really high to improve performance. AMD did the exact opposite with this.

A pity motherboards (especially those without PCI-E Gen5 support) and RAM are still very expensive.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Upgrading almost never makes sense if you don't skip 1 or 2 generations.

You can always start with Celeron as first CPU

But looks fine, but still... it is the first DDR5 generation. No thank you... new chipset generation... then maybe.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Excellent review covering everything, unfortunately the motherboard prices are still way too high.

Thanks @W1zzard for always adding all popular resolutions, while most other reviewers focus solely on academic results.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Excellent review covering everything, unfortunately the motherboard prices are still way too high.

Thanks @W1zzard for always adding all popular resolutions, while most other reviewers focus solely on academic results.

This issue reviewers face that review hardware is that everyone games different. For the average gamer who just maxes out settings and games at 1440p/4k those results are likely going to be the most important but there are also gamers who play at competitive settings and in that scenario the 720p/1080p results might be the most important. It's impossible for a reviewer to cover all the bases.... Even though I tend to game at 4k with maxed out settings I still look at the 1% low 1080p data when purchasing a cpu as the most important result.

 

[Bwaze]

Excellent review. And good product, excellent gaming results, and not downright terrible in productivity. If only the platform wasn't so expensive.... I'm not interested in upgrading, my 5900X will have to be adequate for this generation, but with uplifts like these in one generation I'm a bit excited in next generation.

 

[unwind-protect]

Quite miffed that AMD released an unremovable driver that messes up CPU scheduling.

And even leaving the unremovability aside, why is it messing with a CPU different from what it was intended for in the first place? Is it just blindly firing up disabling random cores? And why only 3?

 

[Keivz]

He bought the 7700x - $395.

This review lists the 7700x at $325, so that alone is enough of a difference to give a 4K gamer pause.

I personally bought my 7700x as part of a combo deal at microcenter (cpu+gigabyte b650 mb+32 gb of RAM+Jedi survivor) for $570, which I doubt will be offered with this new cpu (Jedi survivor definitely isn’t included).

So $450 for the 7800x3d processor alone vs $570 for said combo with 4K gaming (from an 8700k)—I did the math and pulled the trigger.

 

[BoboOOZ]

Somtimes I feel like I'm in the twilight zone I remember when the 3000 series launched even though it was pretty great was still behind in gaming but amd fanboys where like but the MT performance kills intel now it's reversed to a certain extent the 7800X3D is killer at gaming but in general loses to an i5 in MT lol. Don't get me wrong if I was buying a cpu tomorrow it would be this one but I just find the narratives and how they change funny.

I really wonder how much multithreading performance the average user needs. 6 cores seems to me more than most people need at home. But I do wonder if 6 years ago many people needed more than 4 cores, or was it that reviewers were fed up with years and years of Intel 4 cores?

But in anny case, I think AMD are not dumb for not launching a 32 core desktop, because it would be largely overkill for most users. Better invest in IPC and cache.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

This review lists the 7700x at $325, so that alone is enough of a difference to give a 4K gamer pause.

I personally bought my 7700x as part of a combo deal at microcenter (cpu+gigabyte b650 mb+32 gb of RAM+Jedi survivor) for $570, which I doubt will be offered with this new cpu (Jedi survivor definitely isn’t included).

So $450 for the 7800x3d processor alone vs $570 for said combo with 4K gaming (from an 8700k)—I did the math and pulled the trigger.

I was completely confused where he fabricated the $395 from.... Awesome price on that bundle and like I said the 7800X3D doesn't just make an already good gaming CPU slower for what you paid it's completely logical to go with what you did.

 

[Xuper]

this blow my mind !!

So I uninstalled the AMD PPM provisioning driver, hoping for a remedy—no luck. Next, I uninstalled all AMD drivers, and reset the Windows power scheme—no difference. Among other things, I also tried copying the power plan from a fresh OS install to my test system, no go.

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review - The Best Gaming CPU

AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D is everything that gamers want: eight fast cores, in a single CCD, with 3D VCache stacked on top at a price point of $450. In our review we can confirm that 7800X3D is indeed the fastest gaming CPU available, beating Intel's 13900K and even the 7950X3D.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[xSneak]

WIsh there was some information about memory overclocking with the cpu in the overclocking section. At least what frequencies it can achieve with single or dual rank memory.

 

[W1zzard]

WIsh there was some information about memory overclocking with the cpu in the overclocking section. At least what frequencies it can achieve with single or dual rank memory.

Do people actually bother trying to run anything above 6000 on Zen 4?

 

[muSPK]

Efficient and the fastest in gaming. Yet, outside of gaming, it's slightly slower than a 13600k, quite the gap.

And of course, AMD being AMD, could not resist the urge to introduce a software bug no amount of un/reinstalling will fix, short of a fresh OS install (Not really an issue for end users, as noted in the review, just a testament that AMD's software is still as crappy as we're expecting it to be.)

Its a MAJOR issue, what if this issue persist for the next generation for everyone that bought the 7950X3D?
They should not have to reinstall windows to get the right performance out of the 8000-series for example.

 

[fancucker]

I am really concerned about motherboard pricing and the longevity of the CPU with that hard voltage limit. What's more, there's no room for overclocking (not really an enthusiast part) and it needs tinkering to achieve maximal performance

 

[muSPK]

You should do a fresh install anyway, this is a non-issue for 99.9999% of the users.

The biggest defect of this CPU is that it will be hard to get at non scalped prices for a while due to it being so freaking good. For most people, outside of gaming, the performance of a 16 thread CPU is way more than they need.

And what if the issue persist to the next generation? For all of those end users that want to upgrade. Heck we could see issue for people going from 7800X3D/7950X3D to the 8000-series, we don't know how widespread this issue will be.
I for sure would not buy this CPU if I had to reinstall my whole windows for it, to get it to work.