AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[AnotherReader]

I agree but the argument your jumping into isn't that you couldn't tune the 9800X3D to be more efficient. Arkz was making the argument that these CPUs are primarily for gaming and therefore efficiency outside of gaming doesn't matter in addition to implying a 20w difference isn't notable.



My counter-argument was that these CPUs are indeed used outside of gaming (my own personal use case was used as proof of that). I'd also say that 20w figure is misleading for a few reasons, including it's assumption that said user only plays light to moderately demanding games, assumes they never use any other heavy application, and assumes that shrugging at 20w doesn't materialize as a polciy towards part selection in general which results in the end user selecting more power hungry components across the entire build thus resulting in a larger increase in power consumption as compared to those who rank efficiency as a more important critereon.

Only a small selection of enthusiasts will have the know-how to be able to tune these CPUs which is why out of the box stats are so important. You could argue that nearly any CPUs is efficient when tuned, even the 14900K (and certain TPU members do make that very argument and it is valid, for a very small group of people).

I agree that stock settings matter far more than tuned ones as those are what the vast majority of buyers will use.

 

[JustBenching]

X870 Elite? X670E Aorus master could occasionally do 8000, HDV gets you the same chance at a fraction of the price. I suppose the 8xx motherboards should have a better chance but depends on chip lottery as well.

I was looking for the Gene as well and it's nowhere, neither is the Tachyon. No idea why they couldn't just release it by now, they'll release refreshes of boards that already exist but don't even bother releasing boards that are out of stock while people are looking for it.

I think i'll get an x870i strix or X870i Aorus pro. I have some idea to not make it look like shit on an ATX case

Sorry didn't see your post.

Sadly the shop that had the 9800x 3d in stock had 0 listings for x870, so I went for x670 Aorus elite . TBF im not even sure why I bought this mobo, spur of the moment I guess, im going to be using the hdv/m2 - the elite is a backup in case ill be mega disappointed (which I think i will be next to my tuned 12900k) ill pass the PC to my GF, and she really needs some better connectivity than the crap HDV so, here we are

Yeap, I was also looking for the Gene, for some reasons all these OCing mobos (including unify X models on Intel) just disappear after a couple of months. Only Apex is kinda available 24/7.

I agree that stock settings matter far more than tuned ones as those are what the vast majority of buyers will use.

Well, isn't eco like 1 click away? And you can do it within windows nowadays? I assume the 9800x 3d still supports eco mode right?

Yes - most people will run stock - but that's because those people don't know / care about efficiency. You think random joe that doesn't even enable XMP understands the whole concept?

 

[W1zzard]

That Noctua Air Cooler works fine don't it?

Yeah works perfectly fine. When doing temps testing I was surprised how easy the CPU was to keep cool

 

[Space Lynx]

That I understand but you used the cinibench image and not the gaming one in your post. So abit confusing.

in some games it is 40 watts less usage with 7800x3d vs 9800x3d, most games its only 10-20 watts though, but yeah I used the wrong image to convey my point.

I still might upgrade to 9800x3d before the new PC tech tariffs happen though, shit might get dicey for our hobby in the coming years, best to have an elite setup now, so i can just chill and game and ignore the noise.

 

[nguyen]

Those fuckers .. "sorry but we're temporarily out of stock of your ordered items. Of course we'll send the missing item as soon as it's here. Expected date: unknown"

http://imgur.com/7kcvNZc

There was clearly an indication of "stock available right now" when I ordered, the payment was completed through Amazon Pay, which should be instant .. I am friends with a lot of people at Caseking, but next time I am buying something I'll buy somewhere else

Awww seems like my GPU testing rig arrived before yours

 

[Hankieroseman]

Yeah works perfectly fine. When doing temps testing I was surprised how easy the CPU was to keep cool

I have one on a 5950X inside a new Lian Li O11 Vision case.

 

[_roman_]

I really love how hardware unboxed on youtube claims some statements.

In my words. Do not write below that you do not believe our video measuring methods. see the other videos for explanation.

some people link hardware unboxed videos sometimes. That method is bad. They have results with 0 fps gains. Than they just remove it. and make a new chart.
This chart just proves that they still keep to their "weird" measuring methods.

More valid:

Please look at the start for the disclaimer and at minute 11

 

[nvidiaenjoyer]

So minimal gains at normal use case resolutions 1440p+ v 3 generations back. Will be less on tuned 58 or 57 3D presumably as well.

This with a 4090 which has <1% market share.

It's better than Intel, still marginal gains for the median use case for a lot of money.

these comments never make any sense because it implies that in gpu-bound cases there are never any moments when the cpu can be the limiting factor, which is plain false

you might as well keep rocking an athlon x2 6000+ if you're only interested in 4k60, or any other gpu-bound scenario like 8k60 or 16k30 lol

 

[mb194dc]

these comments never make any sense because it implies that in gpu-bound cases there are never any moments when the cpu can be the limiting factor, which is plain false

you might as well keep rocking an athlon x2 6000+ if you're only interested in 4k60, or any other gpu-bound scenario like 8k60 or 16k30 lol

It's just not a very exciting product, spend 480 or whatever if you want and it suits your use case. More so given you can get the 7950x or for the same price and a lot of other options from both teams as well. Most people are going to be wasting their money with this chip and better off spending the money on a GPU instead.

A lot of hype over the edge use cases where it has an advantage. I say, meh.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

@W1zzard what do you do for the virtualization test?

maybe I missed it, but cant understand what the time to complete the test means, just powering up a vm?

 

[kapone32]

Yep at 4k the minimum delta difference between them are around 4% and relate averages as well. At 1080p the minimum framerate has a delta difference of 20% while the averages are slightly lower at 17%. I wonder how much a 5090 improve the deltas, looking at the 720p performance the difference here is about 33% on the relative average. We might see a similar delta move up 1 resolution if the 5090 is at least a 50% improvement over the 4090. View attachment 370772View attachment 370773

RTX4090 - Ultra Settings.

 

[Godrilla]

RTX4090 - Ultra Settings.

Placebo effect. Although Frame variance might be a thing of the past in some outliers especially if you overkill the cooling.

 

[AnotherReader]

Sorry didn't see your post.

Sadly the shop that had the 9800x 3d in stock had 0 listings for x870, so I went for x670 Aorus elite . TBF im not even sure why I bought this mobo, spur of the moment I guess, im going to be using the hdv/m2 - the elite is a backup in case ill be mega disappointed (which I think i will be next to my tuned 12900k) ill pass the PC to my GF, and she really needs some better connectivity than the crap HDV so, here we are

Yeap, I was also looking for the Gene, for some reasons all these OCing mobos (including unify X models on Intel) just disappear after a couple of months. Only Apex is kinda available 24/7.


Well, isn't eco like 1 click away? And you can do it within windows nowadays? I assume the 9800x 3d still supports eco mode right?

Yes - most people will run stock - but that's because those people don't know / care about efficiency. You think random joe that doesn't even enable XMP understands the whole concept?

I'm looking at this from the point of view of the average joe who certainly doesn't know about XMP or eco mode.

 

[RaceT3ch]

Yknow what, this generation I'd like to see the Ryzen 9 X3D CPUs to have both cores with 3d cache.
if they have a minor reduction in speed (like 5.7 to 5.5), well they'd still perform better if the 9800X3D to 9700X means anything. Making them amazing productivity CPUs.

 

[Godrilla]

A meta analysis of top reviews gets about 10% delta improvement including all extreme outliers.

FYI.

Yay objective data.

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard what do you do for the virtualization test?

maybe I missed it, but cant understand what the time to complete the test means, just powering up a vm?

Starting 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 12 VMs in parallel

 

[harm9963]

But this 98X3D smokes your 5950X in absolutely everything while using less power, does it not?

You have a 4090.. of course it will be fine at 4K lol.

I have a 5900X, so I do know where you are coming from, CPU wise.

 

[freeagent]

I was talking about what was in the TPU review.

But touche.

 

[Godrilla]

Update, got my Cin24 MC score to 1324 without memory tweak using +200mhz on all cores, using Asus ai oc, max clock goes up to 5323.96 MHz (53.25 * 99.98 MHz) - Uncore: 2999.4 MHz PBO curve optimizer set to -40. Runs really efficient at max 115 watts of power usage during test. Maximum cpu temp 65.6 *C.

 

[freeagent]

Almost as strong as my 5900X in R24.

Send that system to me

 

[LittleBro]

Update, got my Cin24 MC score to 1324 without memory tweak using +200mhz on all cores, using Asus ai oc, max clock goes up to 5323.96 MHz (53.25 * 99.98 MHz) - Uncore: 2999.4 MHz PBO curve optimizer set to -40. Runs really efficient at max 115 watts of power usage during test. Maximum cpu temp 65.6 *C.

Could you, pleae, re-run the Cinebench test with HWinfo in the background? I'm curious about voltages. Stock settings would be more preferred! Many thanks.

Btw, what version of Win11 are you using and do you have VBS enabled?

 

[Godrilla]

Could you, pleae, re-run the Cinebench test with HWinfo in the background? I'm curious about voltages. Stock settings would be more preferred! Many thanks.

Btw, what version of Win11 are you using and do you have VBS enabled?

I remember disabling the Memory interggetty last year before it was a known issue just based on the details lol.
I'll update the windows version when I get home today after work.
I might have to clear my cmoss.

 

[btk2k2]

I really love how hardware unboxed on youtube claims some statements.

In my words. Do not write below that you do not believe our video measuring methods. see the other videos for explanation.

some people link hardware unboxed videos sometimes. That method is bad. They have results with 0 fps gains. Than they just remove it. and make a new chart.
This chart just proves that they still keep to their "weird" measuring methods.

View attachment 371012

More valid:
View attachment 371013


Please look at the start for the disclaimer and at minute 11

They removed the GPU bound titles to show the average uplift in the full suite and the average uplift when CPU bound.

EDIT: Oh and I think a few titles get engine bound at a certain point as well. Forza does where there is a bottleneck somewhere else that is neither CPU or GPU). So yea, they showed you a cleaned dataset and the raw dataset. What is the problem?

 

[LittleBro]

I remember disabling the Memory interggetty last year before it was a known issue just based on the details lol.
I'll update the windows version when I get home today after work.
I might have to clear my cmoss.

Thanks. I forgot to mention that I want to see sensors window in HWinfo. My bad.

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Meanwhile, this is interesting - 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 7700X and 9700X compared at 4.8 GHz:

AMD Ryzen 9000X(3D) vs. 7000X(3D) bei 4,8 GHz im Vergleich

Warum ist der AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D in Spielen im Vergleich zum 7800X3D schneller als gedacht? Benchmarks bei gleichem Takt geben Antwort.

www.computerbase.de

 

[Godrilla]

Thanks. I forgot to mention that I want to see sensors window in HWinfo. My bad.

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Meanwhile, this is interesting - 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 7700X and 9700X compared at 4.8 GHz:

View attachment 371278

AMD Ryzen 9000X(3D) vs. 7000X(3D) bei 4,8 GHz im Vergleich

Warum ist der AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D in Spielen im Vergleich zum 7800X3D schneller als gedacht? Benchmarks bei gleichem Takt geben Antwort.

www.computerbase.de

Update Windows 11, version 23H2, says I am up to date 24h2 not available.