AMD's Robert Hallock Confirms Lack of Manual CPU Overclocking for Ryzen 7 5800X3D

[Turmania]

Why would a cpu not last long with the manufacturer setting a voltage limit and someone keeping it at stock.

I'm not seeing the logic in this post.

Wait two years than you might see it. For now I understand you. ButI have a very bad feeling about this product and its longetivity...

 

[eidairaman1]

So why does it have an X in its name then?
it's not Ryzen 5800X 3D
it's a ryzen 5800 3D

The OEM 5800 can still manually overclock.

 

[neatfeatguy]

It seems like you don't understand why this happened at all. It's just AMD being mean and greedy?
You really haven't seen the video, or you just don't believe what they say. Your reasoning right there is a slippery slope, and all you do is adding FUD.

AMD had three options.

1 - Launch the 5800X3D like they say the will, no OC.
2 - Not launching at all.
3 - Allowing OC even though AMD knows that the CPU will break.

Not a hard choice really.

These days people complain just to complain. Here's how I see it, regardless of how it gets handled:


On one hand you have:
OMG! AMD! How dare you limit voltages and OC capabilities on your new CPU! We can't manually adjust settings! Your product is bad and you should feel bad! You suck like Intel and Nvidia!

On the other hand if limits weren't in place and bad things happened:
OMG! AMD! How dare you not limit the voltage and OC capabilities on your new CPU! CPUs are dying! Your product is bad and you should feel bad!

Looks like AMD is just f'ing things up, no matter what choice they make. Not sure if I feel bad for AMD or the people that just have to complain about the situation one way or another.

 

[Icon Charlie]

The question is what the AM4 platform as a whole will cost.
That said, considering how long you've waited, you might as well try to make it another six months and skip straight to a DDR5 platform, be that from AMD or Intel.

IMHO.... The DDR 5 platform is going to be expensive in the short run and maybe down the road as well. This is why I upgraded my rig last December and am running on a total of 64 gb of underclocked DDR 4 PC 4000 Ram and purchased a 5900OEM.

I simply do not see any fantastic upswings in performance in the near future. The days of getting great performance for the average diy'er is long gone. My Rig will be fine for 2 to 3 years from now because of its fantastic price + performance + value I got on this setup.

 

[SL2]

It's hypocritical of AMD, ater using intel's locked CPUs as a talking point, to then lock their own CPUs.

CPU's, in plural? I'm only aware of one single SKU that seems to have triggered a few alarmists here and there.

Options from other companies existing is a red herring argument.

Call it what you want, they're still options, as AMD and Intel platforms are mostly interchangeable. That's far from the Nvidia situation, where you were pretty much forced to buy a Nvidia laptop if you wanted a high end gaming laptop.

The last desktop CPU I bought was a 2600K, the one before that was an Opteron 146. I don't see the point in sticking with one brand only as they both go south once in a while, or for years in worst case.
You know if you accepted Intel CPU's as an option you'd find it easier to process the news of less desirable AMD CPU's.

It's not like AMD jumped the price on their CPUs by 30-50 percent with the 5000 series, or refused to support the 400 series chipsets until public backlash forced their hand, or like they did the same thing with the 300 series.

Sure, but that's off topic here. When I asked if they're greedy, I was talking about the topic in this thread, not old news.

AMD could have, you know, allowed OC and locked the voltage so the cache doesnt get hurt. Just an idea.

Well then what's the point? AMD would get so bashed, and rightly so, for falsely claiming that it's overclockable yet wouldn't allow raising the voltage. Now that would have been misleading.
See post #103.

I still think the it should be called 58003D tho, as it's not higher clocked than the 5800.

Stop accusing me of FUD when all of your arguments rely on baseless handwaving of any points the opposition makes.

That doesn't make sense. This quote of yours is spreading fear, and it's based on all speculations and no facts, ie baseless:
"It's a slippery slope. Its one CPU, or its just the low end, oh its just the ryzen 7 and lower, its not like you can do much, ece ece."

 

[mechtech]

Meh, the chips sometimes performs better on 'auto' anyway with good cooling.

 

[Cutechri]

Meh, the chips sometimes performs better on 'auto' anyway with good cooling.

5.2 GHz stock on my 5900X on a Noctua NH-U12A, 'nuff said.

 

[Pastuch]

The real question here is how does it handle Warzone? A heavily oced 12900k with a good bin and insanely tight bdie can do 250+ fps. If the 5800x3d can match that I’ll sell my 5600x and get one asap. I can only 1733 out of my fclk right now and my averages are only 200fps at 1080p

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

OK, AMD. IM NOT BUYING ONE NOW! GO SCREW OFF.

SO ok AMD, SO ITS NOT an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D its SHOULD BEEN CALLED RYZEN "5800 GIMPED EDITION" or 58003D cache NO OC NOT AN X MODEL TEHN Y FREEKING AHOLES... NOT BUYING ONE NOW EVER, NOT BUYING ZEN4 / AM5 EITHER, so

IM GOING INTEL. AMD, IM DONE WITH UR BS.

zen3 wsa never worth the 300+ that they were, i wish I NEVER BOUGHT ANY OF YOUR BS RYZNE CPUS NOW IM SELLING EVERY MTHE FREEPHUCJING AMD CRAP I HAVE IM DONE, IM DOEN WITH AMD.

 

[Assimilator]

These days people complain just to complain. Here's how I see it, regardless of how it gets handled:


On one hand you have:
OMG! AMD! How dare you limit voltages and OC capabilities on your new CPU! We can't manually adjust settings! Your product is bad and you should feel bad! You suck like Intel and Nvidia!

On the other hand if limits weren't in place and bad things happened:
OMG! AMD! How dare you not limit the voltage and OC capabilities on your new CPU! CPUs are dying! Your product is bad and you should feel bad!

Looks like AMD is just f'ing things up, no matter what choice they make. Not sure if I feel bad for AMD or the people that just have to complain about the situation one way or another.

Or AMD could... y'know... not sell a product that is quite obviously an unfinished experiment to customers. Because that would be the smart and ethical thing to do.

Strange how you chose to ignore what's literally the most obvious option.

At the end of the day, though, AMD is just shooting themselves in the foot with this Franken-CPU. Because someone will release a BIOS that "accidentally" removes the limit (or maybe AMD will do it themselves by fucking up AGESA, it's a coin toss), and idiots will flash that BIOS and burn their shiny new 5800X3Ds, and they'll moan and whine and complain about it on social media, and regardless of the fact that those users were the stupid ones, AMD's reputation will suffer.

It's amazing, Intel releases a line of CPUs that's actually competitive again and AMD immediately goes full retard and dreams up a product that nobody asked for and will do them harm over the long run, when what they actually should've done was just fucking lower their prices. But they've been riding the gravy train for so long that they've become greedier than Intel, something I thought impossible.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Wow. Some rage and conspiracy posts are popping up now. I'll just quietly back away from this thread.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Hi,
Did the video contain any test against 12900k ?
If not who cares

Exactly, who cares about the 12900K in this PR video?

As for whether this constitutes "going for whatever AMD says", that ... I'll leave that for you to judge. I'll side on the side of "let's not allow idiots to break their chips too easily" on this one. You're welcome to disagree.

I died laughing at this. People will create narratives for the sake of arguing the fanboi point of view. When was the last time AMD requested removing the ability to OC, only to reinstate it once the AGESA was updated? I'd bet AMD will reinstate OC'ing on this chip once they can work out whatever the problem is to warrant the blocking of OC'ing, which means an AGESA is forthcoming after launch.

 

[eidairaman1]

Exactly, who cares about the 12900K in this PR video?


I died laughing at this. People will create narratives for the sake of arguing the fanboi point of view. When was the last time AMD requested removing the ability to OC, only to reinstate it once the AGESA was updated? I'd bet AMD will reinstate OC'ing on this chip once they can work out whatever the problem is to warrant the blocking of OC'ing, which means an AGESA is forthcoming after launch.

I see this as well, further testing then a bios update to enable it.

Boy the ragers in here are just stupid...

 

[chrcoluk]

I personally would not touch a cpu that has voltage limitations. It does not install confidence in me that it will be long lasting product even under normal conditions. As well it does not install confidence in me that when it starts to heat up it can shut down the system during a session. Why risk it?

All cpus have voltage limits in specs.

 

[Cutechri]

It's amazing, Intel releases a line of CPUs that's actually competitive again and AMD immediately goes full retard and dreams up a product that nobody asked for and will do them harm over the long run, when what they actually should've done was just fucking lower their prices. But they've been riding the gravy train for so long that they've become greedier than Intel, something I thought impossible.

Yeah, those new budget Ryzens would not have existed if it wasn't for Intel providing stiff competition. You could've begged them for budget options all you want and you wouldn't have seen it. Almost as if AMD is just like every other company, only chasing money..

 

[chrcoluk]

Or AMD could... y'know... not sell a product that is quite obviously an unfinished experiment to customers. Because that would be the smart and ethical thing to do.

Strange how you chose to ignore what's literally the most obvious option.

At the end of the day, though, AMD is just shooting themselves in the foot with this Franken-CPU. Because someone will release a BIOS that "accidentally" removes the limit (or maybe AMD will do it themselves by fucking up AGESA, it's a coin toss), and idiots will flash that BIOS and burn their shiny new 5800X3Ds, and they'll moan and whine and complain about it on social media, and regardless of the fact that those users were the stupid ones, AMD's reputation will suffer.

It's amazing, Intel releases a line of CPUs that's actually competitive again and AMD immediately goes full retard and dreams up a product that nobody asked for and will do them harm over the long run, when what they actually should've done was just fucking lower their prices. But they've been riding the gravy train for so long that they've become greedier than Intel, something I thought impossible.

I am confused you prefer to o/c a weaker chip with much more heat and power for that 15% performance unstead of it been included by new tech out of box? Seems bizarre to me, also are intel 250w cpus competitive at same power level as AMD Zen3?

 

[Cutechri]

also are intel 250w cpus competitive at same power level as AMD Zen3?

Yeah? 12900K locked at 35W does around 12600 in CB R23. A 5950X does about half at the same wattage. 12900K consumes a ton because of Intel's idiotic PL2 limits. Rest of the chips are very competitive and some beat Zen 3 in efficiency.

 

[Bloax]

How will it fare against an overclocked i5-12600k or i7-12700k I wonder...

very well, if you go by extremely rough (no GPU for easy 1:1 :^))) comparisons of very juiced configs for both :- )

Not well enough that I'd rate it worth your while to bruteforce (yes, that is Reboot, Enter voltage, Test, Reboot ... Compare, Pick Best Performers, Test, Reboot, Enter voltage ...) a working SOC, IOD and CCD voltage.
As without those, you're gonna have a lot more stutters than if you do.

It's especially hard to recommend with pretty sweet deals on 12700k's being suspiciously frequent.

Though if you're sitting on a Ryzen 1600x or 2600 - then it's probably a sweet processor.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Though if you're sitting on a Ryzen 1600x or 2600 - then it's probably a sweet processor.

or a 3600 ...


no deal breaker here for me ... i do not look at manual OC since quite a while ... my last "OC for fun" were a E8500, a i7-920 and the only one that yielded substantial advantage in addition of being fun was a DIP switched Athlon 650 (slot A Pluto core) that pushed nicely to 800mhz

my 3600 is stock and plenty in most task and games i usually do/play ... and given that i can find a 5600X for between 199chf and 230chf atm, i might rather go for that one later instead (will depend on the pricing and since MSRP is dead, i do not really trust press release prices reveal (PRPR? sounds nice ... try it))

i prefer when they announce OC locked rather than F' it up later with a botched microcode update, my 6600k never recovered from it ... did feel almost like a rental OC
although when it was OC'ing ... hardly going above 4.1ghz .... and for a 3.9ghz boost CPU it's a crying shame ... i guess only reviewer get "cherry picked" units to make brands look good ... pfeh!

 

[Why_Me]

OK, AMD. IM NOT BUYING ONE NOW! GO SCREW OFF.

SO ok AMD, SO ITS NOT an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D its SHOULD BEEN CALLED RYZEN "5800 GIMPED EDITION" or 58003D cache NO OC NOT AN X MODEL TEHN Y FREEKING AHOLES... NOT BUYING ONE NOW EVER, NOT BUYING ZEN4 / AM5 EITHER, so

IM GOING INTEL. AMD, IM DONE WITH UR BS.

zen3 wsa never worth the 300+ that they were, i wish I NEVER BOUGHT ANY OF YOUR BS RYZNE CPUS NOW IM SELLING EVERY MTHE FREEPHUCJING AMD CRAP I HAVE IM DONE, IM DOEN WITH AMD.

Welcome to Team Blue. Let's start your road to recovery by changing that abomination of an avatar in your profile.

 

[Flydommo]

Overclocking will soon be a thing of the past, like the combustion engine. If the stock 5800X 3D delivers signficant performance gains over an overclocked 5800X, why wouldn't you go for the 5800X 3D? Just because the clock speed is lower?

 

[ratirt]

Or AMD could... y'know... not sell a product that is quite obviously an unfinished experiment to customers. Because that would be the smart and ethical thing to do.

Strange how you chose to ignore what's literally the most obvious option.

At the end of the day, though, AMD is just shooting themselves in the foot with this Franken-CPU. Because someone will release a BIOS that "accidentally" removes the limit (or maybe AMD will do it themselves by fucking up AGESA, it's a coin toss), and idiots will flash that BIOS and burn their shiny new 5800X3Ds, and they'll moan and whine and complain about it on social media, and regardless of the fact that those users were the stupid ones, AMD's reputation will suffer.

It's amazing, Intel releases a line of CPUs that's actually competitive again and AMD immediately goes full retard and dreams up a product that nobody asked for and will do them harm over the long run, when what they actually should've done was just fucking lower their prices. But they've been riding the gravy train for so long that they've become greedier than Intel, something I thought impossible.

Just because it has a locked Vcore due to cache limitations while using new technology, does not mean unfinished.
At least I see it that way. Things will improve in time as people always claim it has to mature. Let it mature.

 

[Valantar]

I died laughing at this. People will create narratives for the sake of arguing the fanboi point of view. When was the last time AMD requested removing the ability to OC, only to reinstate it once the AGESA was updated? I'd bet AMD will reinstate OC'ing on this chip once they can work out whatever the problem is to warrant the blocking of OC'ing, which means an AGESA is forthcoming after launch.

IMO this seems to be a rather different situation though. Arbitrarily locking down a CPU because of market segmentation (which is the typical reason for doing so) is quite different from "this chip has a component with a particularly low voltage tolerance, so if we allow normal OC controls there's a particularly high chance you'll break it permanently". With the reasoning given, it seems quite improbale that this ability should be added post-launch. They've tested the cache die; they know what voltages it can handle, and if it's tied to vCore, then they know how high vCore can safely go. The technical reasoning seems sound, even if it's a bit disappointing. And crucially, it passes the "does this seem like it's done to squeeze more money out of people" smell test.

 

[JustBenching]

I am confused you prefer to o/c a weaker chip with much more heat and power for that 15% performance unstead of it been included by new tech out of box? Seems bizarre to me, also are intel 250w cpus competitive at same power level as AMD Zen3?

Intel walk all over zen 3 in gaming, both in performance and efficiency, since they consume a lot less power

 

[SL2]

It's especially hard to recommend with pretty sweet deals on 12700k's being suspiciously frequent.

Though if you're sitting on a Ryzen 1600x or 2600 - then it's probably a sweet processor.

Yeah, there are a lot of AM4 owners that might want to upgrade, but a 5700X or a 5600 might be a better choice.

Besides, how much of a difference does a X3D do if you have a 3070 or slower? People seem to forget from time to time that CPU gaming benchmarks are usually done with one of the fastest cards available.

The 12 series is hard to ignore if you don't have an AM4 board.