(Anti) SFF fun house

[tabascosauz]

It was a perfect fit for B550 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ax in my Silverstone ML-09B that I used with my 5950x likely because the NVMe heatsink doesn't stick out like other boards heatsinks and bump into the fan.
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Also I was able to use the unused offset parts (see below) on my other B550 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ax in my NR200P that was using NH-C14S with 5800x. Noctua doesn't list it as compatible with NH-C14S but while the north plate uses the adjusted 7mm offset I discovered I just had to flip the south plate upside down to make up the longer distance of the NH-C14S mount points. This puts slightly more NH-C14S heat pipe area over the CCD's although a bit hangs over the chip.
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Did you do any temp comparisons on offset/no offset?

 

[Selaya]

direct-die maybe? think noctua's got an am5 direct die kit?

 

[tabascosauz]

direct-die maybe? think noctua's got an am5 direct die kit?

Would be cool but it's a little hard to justify on a 7800x3d

 

[dgianstefani]

Would be cool but it's a little hard to justify on a 7800x3d

Mate

Succumb to the final iteration.

Go straight to the finish line.

There is no "justification" this is SFF enthusiasm

Although, my temps are excellent, and can tune harder because of it.

No need for traditional direct die with low wattage. Removing the IHS and TIM bottleneck and using Conductonaut Extreme with TG upgrade heatspreader achieves same goal.

These are temps while gaming, with multiple chrome tabs open, skype (for work), signal, steam, OCCT, and all the usual background stuff, plus two high refresh 1440p monitors. NVCP driver lock of 237 FPS which is why GPU isn't pegged at 100%. There's a bit of core delta because I use Process Lasso to set affinities, and have SMT off for latency and security.

CPU boosts to 5.15 GHz from BCLK and RAM is tuned to 56.6 ns too, so it's not like good temps because tuned low.

It's almost a shame because I'll be getting rid of this for Arrow Lake, since I'm tired of no granular control over clocks with Zen X3D. I do not need an algorithm deciding what performance I should get. Also the platform kinda mid and the efficiency sucks at anything except full load.

Chipset/VRM temps are fine too without those stupid little fans.

As is DDR5

 

[A Computer Guy]

Did you do any temp comparisons on offset/no offset?

I don't have any hard numbers recorded but generally the L12S with the offset mount seemed to perform slightly better (lower idle temps, faster cooldown) than NH-C14S (with no offset) in comparison with the same 5950x CPU despite having less mass and less heat pipes. However the comparison is very apples and oranges because of other differences too such as case configuration (ML09B vs. NR200P), fan types, and fan airflow (intake vs. exhaust). Noctua says it's only going to be a 1c to 3c difference at most anyway so I wasn't expecting much. If I wasn't observing temps in Ryzen Master I probably wouldn't notice.

So far NH-C14S with the offset using 5800x in the NR200P seems a little better too (lower idle temps, faster cooldown). Since I'm working in that system I think I might run some additional testing and record some hard numbers with and without offset when I get a chance before I swap it over to this summers custom loop project.

 

[tabascosauz]

I don't have any hard numbers recorded but generally the L12S with the offset mount seemed to perform slightly better (lower idle temps, faster cooldown) than NH-C14S (with no offset) in comparison with the same 5950x CPU despite having less mass and less heat pipes. However the comparison is very apples and oranges because of other differences too such as case configuration (ML09B vs. NR200P), fan types, and fan airflow (intake vs. exhaust). Noctua says it's only going to be a 1c to 3c difference at most anyway so I wasn't expecting much. If I wasn't observing temps in Ryzen Master I probably wouldn't notice.

So far NH-C14S with the offset using 5800x in the NR200P seems a little better too (lower idle temps, faster cooldown). Since I'm working in that system I think I might run some additional testing and record some hard numbers with and without offset when I get a chance before I swap it over to this summers custom loop project.

Heatpipe orientation is different on the two downdraft coolers so idk if they would respond differently. C14S orientation is usually disadvantaged for 2CCD, but it's surprising to hear you say that L12S is better, since on APUs the C14S is very confidently ahead.

I wanna say the U12A has a bigger cold plate than most other Noctua coolers, but it might be my eyes playing tricks on me.

 

[tabascosauz]

Modded T-rudder with a motorcycle steering damper, thanks to a redditor's part list for the mod. One of the easier mods I've done, change out the integrated screws in the cam, and drill a hole.

No real helo flying for now, but I appreciate damper removing the pesky return-to-center oscillations. If I do end up picking up the Hind or Apache, I can just dial up the damper settings a couple notches.

 

[tabascosauz]

Made some big changes to the sim setup. I think this is pretty much gonna be it. Maybe a new contraption for mounting a keyboard and allowing it to swivel out of the way.

• Left mount: VKB STECS Mini, and VKB SEM-V piggybacking off of it, Predator mount plates for both
• Center mount: Winwing ICP, cerakoted MCG Ultimate on a DIY VPForce Rhino FFB base, Foxx and Pred plates for the two
• Right mount: VKB STEM, VKB Gunfighter Mk3 with a standard SCG
• T-rudders and TrackIR, 43" QN90B

Been doing a lot of training in both F-16C and F-15C in BMS. Both Viper and Eagle are fantastic in it, even though Eagle is still WIP. And dipping into space sims for the first time with Elite Dangerous. Both games are a breath of fresh air from being stuck on just DCS, lol.

 

[PLAfiller]

Made some big changes to the sim setup. I think this is pretty much gonna be it. Maybe a new contraption for mounting a keyboard and allowing it to swivel out of the way.

• Left mount: VKB STECS Mini, and VKB SEM-V piggybacking off of it, Predator mount plates for both
• Center mount: Winwing ICP, cerakoted MCG Ultimate on a DIY VPForce Rhino FFB base, Foxx and Pred plates for the two
• Right mount: VKB STEM, VKB Gunfighter Mk3 with a standard SCG
• T-rudders and TrackIR, 43" QN90B

Been doing a lot of training in both F-16C and F-15C in BMS. Both Viper and Eagle are fantastic in it, even though Eagle is still WIP. And dipping into space sims for the first time with E. Both games are a breath of fresh air from being stuck on just DCS, lol.

I don't think I've ever seen a more complex home flight sim setup....like for real. You are either a pilot or a die hard flying aficionado no other way to explain it

 

[tabascosauz]

I don't think I've ever seen a more complex home flight sim setup....like for real. You are either a pilot or a die hard flying aficionado no other way to explain it

I know many individuals with setups way more complex, way more expensive, or both as only one example, someone on the VPForce discord is working on a F-15 pit. By putting the 86BLF motors in it and building a custom stick solution. Not a simpit that looks like the F-15. But literally. A F-15 cockpit. Complete with a real ACES II ejection seat.

I'm at the starting line compared to these guys. I'm just still sitting in my regular chair lol

Another Rhino owner has a Hind pit, to fly the DCS Hind

Of course, my setup works for me and I'm happy with it and I personally wouldn't build a specialized pit, but I have massive respect for the effort and commitment

 

[AusWolf]

Made some big changes to the sim setup. I think this is pretty much gonna be it. Maybe a new contraption for mounting a keyboard and allowing it to swivel out of the way.

• Left mount: VKB STECS Mini, and VKB SEM-V piggybacking off of it, Predator mount plates for both
• Center mount: Winwing ICP, cerakoted MCG Ultimate on a DIY VPForce Rhino FFB base, Foxx and Pred plates for the two
• Right mount: VKB STEM, VKB Gunfighter Mk3 with a standard SCG
• T-rudders and TrackIR, 43" QN90B

Been doing a lot of training in both F-16C and F-15C in BMS. Both Viper and Eagle are fantastic in it, even though Eagle is still WIP. And dipping into space sims for the first time with Elite Dangerous. Both games are a breath of fresh air from being stuck on just DCS, lol.

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I don't even know what 90% of those things are for. Nice setup!

As for me, I'm okay with my Logitech G27 steering wheel set as my only sim gear. Having a Fiesta ST, I rarely ever feel the need to play racing games anyway.

 

[tabascosauz]

It seems that every time I come back here I have nothing to contribute except things that explicitly AREN'T the actual PCs.............

I got a NLR flight seat for my pit (with a nice cutout for center stick) so most of my mounts have been repurposed and rejuggled to fit around the seat. Lighting is weird so I don't have any great pictures of the whole setup.

But my newest addition is a Tianhang PRO force-sensing base, and it is my darling because it finally enables an authentic F-16 experience together with BMS.

Tianhang buttons

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[tabascosauz]

A quick n dirty for now, been too lazy to actually hook up the right (newer) MFD since I got used to just hitting SWAP between FCR and HSD.

Also waiting on Slaw Rotor V2 pedals to ship out supposedly end of this month or next month