Aorus X570 Master

[IceZero09]

Do you guys think I should sell my Aorus Master as I wanted to run 64GB of RAM in it (I was thinking of getting a 2 x 32GB kit of Crucial Ballistix 3200Mhz RAM and overclocking it) with a 3900X. I think mine is revision 1.0 as it was purchased either late last year, or early this year, so I assume it's definitely 1.0. How do you think this board would handle the 49xx equivalent CPU and memory overclocking.

Also, I never asked or looked this up before, but are they going to be releasing X670 MBs since this would be the last CPU on socket AM4?

 

[jesdals]

Well using dual ranked (dual sided) memory can be tricky, ther should come some Samsung (A die?) memory at some point where 16GB single ranked should be possible, but 32 is going to be hard. So would not bet on in advance but perhaps its possible with 2x32gb - would think 4x32gb would be hard

 

[TheLostSwede]

Do you guys think I should sell my Aorus Master as I wanted to run 64GB of RAM in it (I was thinking of getting a 2 x 32GB kit of Crucial Ballistix 3200Mhz RAM and overclocking it) with a 3900X. I think mine is revision 1.0 as it was purchased either late last year, or early this year, so I assume it's definitely 1.0. How do you think this board would handle the 49xx equivalent CPU and memory overclocking.

Also, I never asked or looked this up before, but are they going to be releasing X670 MBs since this would be the last CPU on socket AM4?

There's no X670, at least not for the current socket. AFAIK, the 4000-series is not getting a new chipset and this is based on what I've been told by friends that work at motherboard makers.

 

[witkazy]

I'll sleep better knowin that.

 

[IceZero09]

Well using dual ranked (dual sided) memory can be tricky, ther should come some Samsung (A die?) memory at some point where 16GB single ranked should be possible, but 32 is going to be hard. So would not bet on in advance but perhaps its possible with 2x32gb - would think 4x32gb would be hard

Maybe I should have asked this way, would 4 x 16GB or 2 x 32GB be better on the rev. 1.0 MBs? I wanted to get a total of 64GB, and I just figured 2 x 32GB would be better as it's two single sticks. I don't know much about memory or memory overclocking, but I wanted to give it a go once I get the system up and running. Also wasn't sure if I should keep the MB or get another X570, or even one of the higher end B550 MB (I don't need all the features of X570). Would the B550 MBs have better memory support/performance (since they are newer) than the older X570s? I heard one of the reasons for the newer revisions of the Aorus Master X570 is due to memory capability? Is that true?

What is Samsung A-Die going to be like? What are the advantages of it?

There's no X670, at least not for the current socket. AFAIK, the 4000-series is not getting a new chipset and this is based on what I've been told by friends that work at motherboard makers.

That is good to know, as one of the reasons I thought there might not be X670 is that the 4xxx series is the last for socket AM4 and they only just released B550 not to long ago. There's also not many more features they could add on that the highest end X570 MBs already have, so yeah, I thought they might not bother releasing X670 MBs.

 

[jesdals]

I would try to research a bit and see if there is any valid info about the memory chips on the available 32gb kits

You should try on your master before changeing it out its a very good chipset - if you could do with 32GB I would recommend my one memory the Patriot Viper 4400MHz dirt cheap but samsung B-die, but do not know if B-die is the best when it comes to dual rank memory or there is better memory out there

 

[Chomiq]

New BIOS is out (at least for ELITE):
F30 - Update AMD AGESA ComboV2 1.0.8.1

I expect it to hit Master soon enough. It also looks like they ditch the letters, since F21a became F21 all of the sudden, same case for earlier versions that were listed with letter suffixes.

 

[Calmmo]

Yeah looks like only 3 boards didn't get the final/non beta 1.0.8.1

 

[jesdals]

New BIOS is out (at least for ELITE):
F30 - Update AMD AGESA ComboV2 1.0.8.1

I expect it to hit Master soon enough. It also looks like they ditch the letters, since F21a became F21 all of the sudden, same case for earlier versions that were listed with letter suffixes.

Funny because I did wonder why they took down version F30A
Seems stable at same settings

 

[IceZero09]

I would try to research a bit and see if there is any valid info about the memory chips on the available 32gb kits

You should try on your master before changeing it out its a very good chipset - if you could do with 32GB I would recommend my one memory the Patriot Viper 4400MHz dirt cheap but samsung B-die, but do not know if B-die is the best when it comes to dual rank memory or there is better memory out there

The RAM I was going to get is Crucial Ballistix Micron E-Die. So I can get either a 2 x 32GB 3200Mhz kit or 4 x 16GB of 3600Mhz. I just want a total of 64GB. Which do you think would be better? I thought the 2 sticks of 32GB would be better, but if that is too high of a density, should I look at 4 x 16GB? What would be easiest on the MB and for overclocking?

Do you have a link to where I can buy that Patriot Viper 4400Mhz kit of RAM that also ships to Australia (Amazon or Newegg might be my best options of they sell it?)? Does that come in 16GB or 32GB density modules?

 

[INSTG8R]

Funny because I did wonder why they took down version F30A
Seems stable at same settings
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Because F30a was beta and F30 is final. I actually had to roll back to F30a on my Pro because I’d forgotten my RAM Timings and couldn’t boot on F30..Once I got it right I was back to smooth sailing.

 

[jesdals]

The RAM I was going to get is Crucial Ballistix Micron E-Die. So I can get either a 2 x 32GB 3200Mhz kit or 4 x 16GB of 3600Mhz. I just want a total of 64GB. Which do you think would be better? I thought the 2 sticks of 32GB would be better, but if that is too high of a density, should I look at 4 x 16GB? What would be easiest on the MB and for overclocking?

If they all are dual rank I would take the chance with the 32gb modules

Do you have a link to where I can buy that Patriot Viper 4400Mhz kit of RAM that also ships to Australia (Amazon or Newegg might be my best options of they sell it?)? Does that come in 16GB or 32GB density modules?

I am not sure of how to get them Down under but try the TechYes forum, he seems to know the sweet deals

the 4400 kits only come in 8gb size as 16gb kits, there is larger modules at lower speeds but they are proberly not Samsung - I had hope for the new Samsung A die would bring High speed to 32gb modules, but havent seen any, personally the 4x8gb Patriot I use is enough. Hope you can get some good ones. Btw bought mine here, dont know if they ship to https://www.proshop.dk/RAM/Patriot-Extreme-Performance-Viper-Steel/2808496

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/search?sSearch=Patriot+Viper+4400 you could also try and ask here

 

[Lionheart]

Noob question, but are the Samsung Die's the ones that work the best with AMD Ryzen X570 mobo's?

 

[TheLostSwede]

Noob question, but are the Samsung Die's the ones that work the best with AMD Ryzen X570 mobo's?

Not as such. However, Samsung B-dies specifically seems to be able to run at lower latencies than Hynix and Micron based modules on Ryzen, especially CL and TRFc, so if you want as low memory latency as possible, you would want Samsung B-die based modules. That said, you need to buy quality kits to do this if you intend to run your RAM at or above 3600MHz (obviously no point to go over 3800MHz for now). This means that to gain maybe 2 or 3ns on the latency, you'd have to spend twice as much as you would on some Hynix or Micron based modules that would otherwise run at the same clock speed.

Real world performance benefits are going to be negligible in most cases, but if you're chasing the last 2-3fps in games, then this would be the way to go.
Personally I can't justify paying 2-3x as much for the RAM for minor gains like that though.

 

[INSTG8R]

Noob question, but are the Samsung Die's the ones that work the best with AMD Ryzen X570 mobo's?

Currently using Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3600 Hynix 18-22-22-45 at 16-19-19-35

 

[Chomiq]

Loaded F30 on my Elite today, so far the only issue is that sometimes when you boot into UEFI it's super blurry. Like it's loading 480p on a 1080p screen.

Edit.
It seems related to fast boot settings change in GB's fast boot app. If you change it, save, boot into bios from the app then UEFI will upscale from something like 480p:

This is a close up for comparison, note the AORUS logo. Now this is how it looks correctly:

Once you set it and don't mess with it it's normal.

 

[IceZero09]

Do you guys think it would be worth switching over to a B550 Master from the X570 Rev. 1 Master? I am wondering if the memory compatibility and overclocking would be better on the B550 since it's newer? Also, what else would I be missing going down to B550? I really don't use a lot of the features of the X570 Master (I don't think I'll ever install more than one PCIe 4.0 NVMe drive). Also, how does the B550 compare hardware wise?

 

[jesdals]

Do you guys think it would be worth switching over to a B550 Master from the X570 Rev. 1 Master? I am wondering if the memory compatibility and overclocking would be better on the B550 since it's newer? Also, what else would I be missing going down to B550? I really don't use a lot of the features of the X570 Master (I don't think I'll ever install more than one PCIe 4.0 NVMe drive). Also, how does the B550 compare hardware wise?

I believe that Builzoid did mention that its more or less the same board

 

[IceZero09]

Do you have a link where I can watch that.

So you don't think it's worth me wasting time trying to sell the MB to buy the B550? This should still perform the same with the 4xxx series CPUs as the B550 would? The only reason I am contemplating it is because I won't use a lot of the features of the X570 and I keep thinking since the B550 is newer, that it might be more refined/capable with the next gen of AM4 CPUs and higher memory speeds. What would you do? Keep the X570 Master?

 

[jesdals]

Did some pre 5900x testing of memory - its seems that Infinity levels above 2000MHz is going to take some tweaking of my Patriot sticks, but did get these stable, but hope for soon availability of the new cpu´s I am pretty sure that I am going for the 12 core version this time (have a buyer for my 3800x). Does the current bios F30 support the new cpu´s?

 

[Chomiq]

Does the current bios F30 support the new cpu´s?

It's not listed as such in description, so I assume it is only meant to improve latency between chiplets.

 

[INSTG8R]

It's not listed as such in description, so I assume it is only meant to improve latency between chiplets.

See I remember one of the betas notes were just “new Cpu Support“ rather cryptic but whatever the final was was just the usual memory compatibly improvements

 

[Chomiq]

See I remember one of the betas notes were just “new Cpu Support“ rather cryptic but whatever the final was was just the usual memory compatibly improvements

Yeah I do recall that.

 

[jesdals]

I wonder if the board will be a limit to get high Infinity Fabric settings, but then again how high is going to be able to get on a 7nm proces? But 2000MHz or even 2100MHz would be a nice upgrade, also hopeing the 5 ghz rumors is true. Its also going to be interesting to se what flavours of cores we are going to se this time around.

 

[tabascosauz]

I wonder if the board will be a limit to get high Infinity Fabric settings, but then again how high is going to be able to get on a 7nm proces? But 2000MHz or even 2100MHz would be a nice upgrade, also hopeing the 5 ghz rumors is true. Its also going to be interesting to se what flavours of cores we are going to se this time around.

I don't think it's the same N7FF process that Matisse and Renoir was made on. Vermeer is supposed to be on N7+. Problem there is that while EUV has always promised double-digit improvements over N7FF in just about any metric, EUV N7+ doesn't belong to the same lineage as DUV N7FF (Ryzen, Apple A12) and DUV N7P (A13) which could directly port designs over to one another, so we might be in the dark again about what exactly to expect from the silicon and how it'll behave. Renoir already hit 2GHz, and the previously covered extreme overclocking setup with massively overvolted SoC and underclocked cores hit something like 2100, 2133MHz, I think. Yeah, Vermeer isn't monolithic, but I'd be surprised if 1:1 support somehow regressed from Renoir.

What I'm worried about is that while it's great to see practical memory speeds increase again, reaching 4000MT/s may not be quite as easy for the memory as 2933>3200 and 3200>3600. In the past two generational improvements, the limiting factor hasn't been the RAM itself (amongst the "big 3" dies, at least), but we might be running into that wall this time around. Development of better DDR4 dies has basically been stagnant since the appearance of good 8Gb dies from Hynix and Micron; these companies have spent 2019 and 2020 focusing on density with horrible 16Gb dies that would be lucky to reach 3600, scale negatively past 1.35V, and are looser on timings than a bucket of fishing worms.

1.35V for 3600/16, 1.38V for 3733/16, but 1.44V+ for 3800/16 - that doesn't bode well for 4000 on DJR. Unless Hynix pulls some miracle yield improvement out of its ass with DJR or creates a new die altogether, it's starting to look like only Rev.E and B-die are going to be viable for pushing the limits of Zen 3, simply because they can take the voltage safely.