Aorus X570 Master

[IceZero09]

Hey guys, just bought a 3900XT (wasn't planning to, but I went for it) off of someone who is likely going to upgrade to Zen 3. Hopefully I didn't make a mistake buying the 3900XT. Anyway, I want to use 64GB of RAM with the 3900XT and was wondering which of these kits of RAM you guys think I should go with :

Crucial Ballistix Gaming Memory, 2x32GB (64GB Kit) DDR4 3200MT/s CL16 Unbuffered DIMM 288pin Black RGB, (PC4-19200), BL2K32G32C16U4BL : Amazon.com.au: Computers

Crucial Ballistix Gaming Memory, 2x32GB (64GB Kit) DDR4 3200MT/s CL16 Unbuffered DIMM 288pin Black RGB, (PC4-19200), BL2K32G32C16U4BL : Amazon.com.au: Computers

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Crucial Ballistix Gaming Memory, 2x16GB (32GB Kit) DDR4 3600MT/s CL16 Unbuffered DIMM 288pin Black RGB, (PC4-19200), DDR4, BL2K16G36C16U4BL : Amazon.com.au: Computers

Crucial Ballistix Gaming Memory, 2x16GB (32GB Kit) DDR4 3600MT/s CL16 Unbuffered DIMM 288pin Black RGB, (PC4-19200), DDR4, BL2K16G36C16U4BL : Amazon.com.au: Computers

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The timings seem to be better on this 3600Mhz kit that the G.Skill kit below.

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/326/1562840211/F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC I assume this isn't Samsung B-Die with 16-19-19 timings?

Also, would it be better to go with the 2 x 32GB or 4 x 16GB density sticks?

 

[Calmmo]

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[TheLostSwede]

Do you guys think it would be worth switching over to a B550 Master from the X570 Rev. 1 Master? I am wondering if the memory compatibility and overclocking would be better on the B550 since it's newer? Also, what else would I be missing going down to B550? I really don't use a lot of the features of the X570 Master (I don't think I'll ever install more than one PCIe 4.0 NVMe drive). Also, how does the B550 compare hardware wise?

Why would it have better memory compatibility? The memory controller is inside the CPU. Sure, there are some differences in terms of the board traces maybe, but that won't do a significant difference outside some rare overclocking scenarios.
Going from X570 to B550 is a downgrade in every and all ways imho.
Also, pay attention to what Gigabyte has done with the B550 Master, there's a lot of PCIe lane trickery and shared PCIe lanes, which might mean that you can't use a feature you thought you had.

 

[knopflerbruce]

I found one of these Aorus X570 Master boards for sale locally. Initially I thought it looked like a nice deal, but I suspect it is a rev. 1.0 board. (it shows the pair of caps next to the socket, which I guess is not there on rev 1.1 or 1.2). The plan is to use 4x 32GB sticks, if possible, paired with a 5900X or something like that. Not sure if I should try to grab it or not.

 

[Calmmo]

I found one of these Aorus X570 Master boards for sale locally. Initially I thought it looked like a nice deal, but I suspect it is a rev. 1.0 board. (it shows the pair of caps next to the socket, which I guess is not there on rev 1.1 or 1.2). The plan is to use 4x 32GB sticks, if possible, paired with a 5900X or something like that. Not sure if I should try to grab it or not.

I believe these stickers are from the factory, should be able to see the version if you inspect the box.

 

[Calmmo]

Welp, i got the dreaded x570 Master is dead issue on the new board.
Shut the pc down to leave for work, but quickly noticed for some reason my KB was lit up (i use erp on so it shouldnt).
I try to power on the PC, nothing, no lights no power. Switched off the power, held the power button for a few secs and the kb finaly got turned off.
Switch the PSU on again, no response. Remove the battery for a minute, nothing.

Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master won't power on - (temporary) solution

Well guys, I've had a frustrating AF night. Thought I'd share just in case this can help someone else :) So backstory - A few years ago (like, 2015 maybe) I had a Corsair AX860i power supply crap out in my i7 6700K / Gigabyte Z170 Gaming 7 build. System would power on for a few seconds, then...

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I was already aware of this so I just removed the battery before having to leave for work.. few hours later im back and its working again.
Gigabyte enthusiast engineering working it's magic

I'm on my third master for those unaware, this board is the gift that keeps on giving, with new issues with every one of those 3 boards.
Worst piece of PC hardware I've ever owned.

 

[jesdals]

Glad that you managed to fix it

 

[knopflerbruce]

Does revision matter if I plan on using 4x32GB sticks anyway? At a modest 3600MHz-3800MHz or so. (Not sure how far such ICs can OC, anyway)

 

[Chomiq]

Looks like they edited description for F30:
Update AMD AGESA ComboV2 1.0.8.1 for AMD Ryzen 5000 processors support

 

[oxrufiioxo]

After what has been probably the worse CS experience I have ever dealt with going back and fourth for the past 5 months I finally got a new board a couple weeks ago didn't bother opening the box till today to snap a picture.

Seems they sent a brand new board over repairing my old one so I am a bit puzzled on why it took so long.
I will probably use it for a 5900X or 5950X build I plan on doing whenever I can get ahold of one to replace my hot AF 9900k. I do like the new Asus Dark Hero board enough to just go with that instead though lol. Thankfully I have a couple of weeks to decide.

 

[TheLostSwede]

After what has been probably the worse CS experience I have ever dealt with going back and fourth for the past 5 months I finally got a new board a couple weeks ago didn't bother opening the box till today to snap a picture.

Seems they sent a brand new board over repairing my old one so I am a bit puzzled on why it took so long.
I will probably use it for a 5900X or 5950X build I plan on doing whenever I can get ahold of one to replace my hot AF 9900k. I do like the new Asus Dark Hero board enough to just go with that instead though lol. Thankfully I have a couple of weeks to decide.

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Well, it looks like they've fixed whatever was causing the glitchyness in the rev 1.0 boards, as I have had no funny business at all with my new board.
Sorry to hear about your bad experience with their CS, I don't have those issues at least, since I know people at HQ.

 

[TheLostSwede]

F31b UEFI is "out" for those that want to try it.

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[Devon68]

Seems they sent a brand new board over repairing my old one so I am a bit puzzled on why it took so long.

Un believable but it's cheaper to send a new board than to repair it. At least to huge companies like gigabyte.

 

[jesdals]

Testing the F31b now, with PBO enabled and 1usmus powerplan I see the same boost and performance

 

[Chomiq]

F31b UEFI is "out" for those that want to try it.

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They pushed it now through official channels:

X570 AORUS MASTER (rev. 1.1/1.2) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

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Update AMD AGESA ComboV2 1.1.0.0 B for performance optimized on Ryzen 5000 series processors

 

[TheLostSwede]

Un believable but it's cheaper to send a new board than to repair it. At least to huge companies like gigabyte.

Depends on what's wrong with it. I doubt they have an advanced enough support office that is able to do not only the fault finding, but also repair outside of Taiwan or China.
When I worked at MSI some 17 years ago, they had three guys in the warehouse doing the repairs with a soldering iron as thick as my pinky. I doubt that's an option these days, as all the components are not only getting smaller, but also more integrated.

 

[Chomiq]

Looks like they pulled F31b from the ELITE's site, it now lists only F30. Master was updated to F31d:
Update AMD AGESA ComboV2 1.1.0.0 C for performance optimized on Ryzen 5000 series processors

 

[Zach_01]

F31x was also pulled from X570 Pro. F30 is the latest.

 

[jesdals]

F31e is up for the Master now

 

[oxrufiioxo]

For all those upgrading to Ryzen 5000 very interesting behavior with with 4x8 vs 2x8.

 

[TheLostSwede]

For all those upgrading to Ryzen 5000 very interesting behavior with with 4x8 vs 2x8.

Not really news, Tom's found the same last year with Zen 2, even though they didn't really do a deep dive into why this happened.
As the memory controller hasn't change, Zen 3 should behave similarly.
Also, what people seem to forget is that AMD architecture ≠ Intel architecture, even though both companies make x86/x64 CPUs.

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[oxrufiioxo]

Not really news, Tom's found the same last year with Zen 2, even though they didn't really do a deep dive into why this happened.
As the memory controller hasn't change, Zen 3 should behave similarly.
Also, what people seem to forget is that AMD architecture ≠ Intel architecture, even though both companies make x86/x64 CPUs.

Ryzen Above: Best Memory Settings for AMD's 3000 CPUs, Tested

Is Ryzen 3000 optimized for DDR4-3200? What if we want more? We examine everything from frequency to rank count to nail down optimal settings.

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I didn't notice much of any difference with my 3900X and 2x8 vs 4x8 3800 CL16 1-2% at best

 

[TheLostSwede]

I didn't notice much of any difference with my 3900X and 2x8 vs 4x8 3800 CL16 1-2% at best

I can't say I've noticed any difference either, but clearly it doesn't hurt the performance, unlike on Intel where using four DIMMs tend to result in you having to run the RAM at lower clocks.
However, I haven't really tested for it either.

Maybe there's more too it on the 5000-series, my point was that four DIMMs increasing the performance slightly isn't news in and of itself.
That said, it seems like it's even better on the 5000-series, for whatever reason.

 

[Calmmo]

AMD Ryzen RAM scaling - performance effect in games

The impact of memory timings and frequency on AMD Ryzen 3000 systems in games has been a topic of discussion. In this artilcle we'll zoom in on specifically that. See, AMD made a change in 3rd gener... Games performance – Two or four DIMMs

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I don't think he just invented the wheel, just found about quad rank.

 

[TheLostSwede]

AMD Ryzen RAM scaling - performance effect in games

The impact of memory timings and frequency on AMD Ryzen 3000 systems in games has been a topic of discussion. In this artilcle we'll zoom in on specifically that. See, AMD made a change in 3rd gener... Games performance – Two or four DIMMs

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I don't think he just invented the wheel, just found about quad rank.

But Tech Jesus was first... On Ryzen 5000...