Aqua Computer LEAKSHIELD

[iBruceypoo]

I hear that, but I also wonder where they go from the 6, especially since cases don’t have drive bays anymore. It seems like the LT meets most users needs — maybe they could build a 7 XT with RGB to mount in a 2.5” bay to be viewed through glass

That's a beautiful idea.

Aquaero 7 won't be 5.25in.

Viewed through the glass with a gorgeous display window, AC could do so much, but they just haven't and the arrogance with that product representative Shoggy guy OH MY GOD! He believes he's God's gift to all computing and humanity.

 

[GoldenX]

If I had stupid amounts of money to make a custom look with 2x 240mm rads and blocks for CPU and GPU, I would totally get this and start calling it "better than air".
Then I would start bitching about stupidly high subscription prices.

 

[claes]

That's a beautiful idea.

Aquaero 7 won't be 5.25in.

Viewed through the glass with a gorgeous display window, AC could do so much, but they just haven't and the arrogance with that product representative Shoggy guy OH MY GOD! He believes he's God's gift to all computing and humanity.

I don’t know, software development isn’t cheap, and the entry cost doesn’t cover it for the life of the product. That’s why all of our components become unsupported in 3 years or so.

As a sometimes web dev I get it — your website isn’t going to update itself, and it’ll eventually break with an update, whether it’s a system update, the app itself, or some dependency. That’s why I charge for monthly maintenance :evil laugh:

 

[iBruceypoo]

I don’t know, software development isn’t cheap, and the entry cost doesn’t cover it for the life of development. That’s why all of our components become unsupported in 3 years or so.

As a sometimes web dev I get it — your website isn’t going to update itself, and it’ll eventually break with an update, whether it’s a system update, the app itself, or some dependency. That’s why I charge for monthly maintenance :evil laugh:

I totally get that, but this is just a fan controller. OK? How much software development can you actually package year over year into a fan controller? I mean My God?

Give us a new piece of fan controller hardware to purchase with free software (like everyone else in this industry), that's not 5.25in.

 

[claes]

I dunno, I have an ASUS h67 board built around the time as the 6. Fanxpert II isn’t supported in Windows 10 any longer, and III+ aren’t compatible with my board, so I have to use third-party, open source software. NZXT, Corsair, etc all have similar issues. I have a Zalman HD160XT ($600 case — I didn’t pay that much lol) with a touchscreen fan controller with thermal diodes and that stopped being supported two years after it came out

Plus, AC added RGB!

 

[iBruceypoo]

I dunno, I have an ASUS h67 board built around the time as the 6. Fanxpert II isn’t supported in Windows 10 any longer, and III+ aren’t compatible with my board, so I have to use third-party, open source software. NZXT, Corsair, etc all have similar issues.

Plus, AC added RGB!

You go tech brother!

I was a part of that original caravan back in 2013 waiting and waiting all summer long on the Aquaero 6 to launch later in December 2013, and we (us guys) really want to update our hardware. lol

 

[VSG]

Continue this discussion elsewhere from now on, it's getting out of topic to the hardware under review.

 

[Shoggy]

Signed up just to ask you a question since the support email on your website takes weeks. For those of us with 2x Ultitube + D5 Next pump combos, how can we use the Leakshield unit? Can we replace the tops of both reservoirs with 2x Leakshield units? Or will you be providing replacement tops for the Ultitube without the pressure release membrane? From my understanding of how it operates, you'd need to have a single unit in a completely sealed off system for it to work. That means if you have another Ultitube with the pressure release membrane, that will interfere with its pressure sensitivity sensor. And if you have 2 separate Leakshield units fighting against each other to control and stabilize the pressure, that sounds like it won't work either?

Would appreciate the help. I know myself and several friends who have Dual-Reservoir systems and are interested in the Leakshield but are currently unsure of whether it can work in our setup with the 2 Ultitube reservoir's in there. We would have no problem buying an additional Leakshield for each reservoir or buying replacement sealed caps for the other reservoirs. Just need your guidance. Thanks.

You will have to replace the top of one reservoir with this one. The other reservoir will get LEAKSHIELD as its new top.
Both pumps together will have a to high pressure. You will have to slow them down.

The pressure of a pump increases quadratically with the speed.

H2=H1 * (n2/n1)²

H1 is the known pressure
n1 is the nominal speed
n2 is the set speed

For a D5 with H1 = 365 mbar and n1 = 4800 rpm, you can use this formula to calculate the max. pressure for each speed.
For example, if the pump is running at 3000 rpm, you calculate 365 mbar * (3000 rpm / 4800 rpm)² = 142.6 mbar.

So, with two pumps set to 3000 rpm, you will get a total pressure of about 280 mbar which is fine for LEAKSHIELD.

The filling feature of LEAKSHIELD could be a problem because the fill level in both reservoirs will end up differently for sure. It is likely that you will have to adjust this manually.

 

[bug]

It is not with a little in return.
For example if one is enthusiast who like to OC the hell out of his system water cooling is great.
I cannot even imagine staying below 78°C on hotspot temperature under stress test running my 6900XTU Liquid Devil Ultimate at 2750MHz@1175mV and 415W GPU Core power setting.
Even with watercooling I was getting 92°C hotspot until I replaced thermal paste with Liquid metal on the EKWB factory fitted water block on this card.

Same with curve optimizer of my 5900X with all core boosting to 4700MHz in Cinebench but temperatures remain below 75°C with TechN water block.

What kind of extra performance do you get out of that overclock?

Edit: oops, missed @VSG's post, sorry about that.

 

[turbogear]

What kind of extra performance do you get out of that overclock?

Edit: oops, missed @VSG's post, sorry about that.

I am not Ocing the GPU memory at the moment.
Without memory OC, I get around 21400 Time Spy score with 2750MHz@1750mV.

Maybe this weekend I can run some benches with memory oc. With a 2120MHz memory frequency expected result would be in range of 21800-21900 Time Spy.
Here is the post with some results:

The RX 6000 series Owners' Club

You're correct, although JayZ2Cents isn't very proficient with overclocking AMD cards at all. I'm sure the equivalent of a 6900XT Golden Sample under ice water with a higher voltage and power limit would score better than 20900 in Timespy. With MPT to up the wattage by 60-70 watts, and some...

www.techpowerup.com

I later changed to Liquid Metal which improved by 15°C my hotspot temperature at this OC.

Higher than 2750MHz was not stable in stress tests.
In Heaven I can run 2800MHz stable but Time Spy does not like that high frequency. In games like Cyberpunk it is also possible to go up to 2800MHz but as that was not stable in stress tests I don't use it.

 

[nemesis.ie]

Very nice, I hope they fix the typo in the frequent leak message.

I'll have one of these in the next WC build whenever I can save up for it - DDR5 Threadripper with luck.

 

[turbogear]

For anybody interested, just wanted to share with community some info about DDC Laing compatibility with LEAKSHIELD that I discussed with @Shoggy in PM.
I also asked if my 13/10mm soft tubes can get squeezed under negative pressure.

Answer from @Shoggy to my questions:

the Laing DDC 3.2 has a head pressure of 4.7 m which equals 470 mbar and will be therefore slightly above the official limit of 450 mbar that LEAKSHIELD can handle. So you will have to slightly lower the speed of the pump.

Since I don't know your tubes I can not judge how soft they really are but I assume it will not work - or at least only with a reduced pump speed so that the neagative pressure can be smaller. For soft tubes we recommend that the outer diameter should be 1.5x the inner diameter. So in your case the tubing should be 10/15 mm.

I have not yet decided if I want to do it, but I am now considering the standalone ULTITUBE 150 and combine it with the LEAKSHIELD.
If I go for this solution then I will use for DDC pump a top without reservoir that I already own and I will go for 16/10mm tubes.

I will need to buy some new fittings as my current ones are only compatible with 13/10mm tubes.

By the way Shoggy told me that at the moment delivery for LEAKSHIELD will take over a month after order.

 

[Shoggy]

Very nice, I hope they fix the typo in the frequent leak message.

Which typo? Where?

 

[nemesis.ie]

Which typo? Where?

============
Leakage
Frequently pressure drop
============

It would be grammatically correct with something like:

============
Leak detected
Frequent pressure drops
============

 

[VSG]

There are a couple of other such typos I noticed, but also there were way more before the final firmware that I took the photos and setup demo of aquasuite on.

 

[altermere]

i wonder why that water-cooling system for a bank they were building couldn't just use a non-conductive coolant? and why those coolants aren't being used in the DIY space and in AIOs? are they stupidly expensive?

 

[Valantar]

i wonder why that water-cooling system for a bank they were building couldn't just use a non-conductive coolant? and why those coolants aren't being used in the DIY space and in AIOs? are they stupidly expensive?

There's nothing that comes close to the cooling capabilities of water. So you'd sacrifice a lot of heat dissipation in order to use something nonconductive. It would also necessitate a lot of research to make sure nothing in the loop reacts to the coolant.

 

[Shoggy]

There are a couple of other such typos I noticed, but also there were way more before the final firmware that I took the photos and setup demo of aquasuite on.

The software/firmware that you have right now is not the final one. We already fixed further stuff in the meantime, optimized something here and there and added further options. The aquasuite/firmware will be updated before we start shipping. The version that you have right now will not make its way to the customers.

 

[turbogear]

The software/firmware that you have right now is not the final one. We already fixed further stuff in the meantime, optimized something here and there and added further options. The aquasuite/firmware will be updated before we start shipping. The version that you have right now will not make its way to the customers.

Talking about SW, I hope you will also add support for ASUS CROSSHAIR VIII DARK HERO for Vision.
Some of the monitors worked for my old ASUS CROSSHAIR VIII Hero (WIFI) but Aquisuite not yet recognises them on the newer board.
I know from past it usually takes some time until new hardware is supported. I am not complaining.
Thanks a lot.

 

[Rocketlaketx]

Question: in a dual pump setup; Can I pair LeakShield installed on a D5 Ultitube in a loop connected with a D5 Distro Plate without any further modifications? Thanks!

 

[Valantar]

Question: in a dual pump setup; Can I pair LeakShield installed on a D5 Ultitube in a loop connected with a D5 Distro Plate without any further modifications? Thanks!

From what's been said earlier, yes, as long as you run the pumps slow enough that they don't overpower the vacuum pump.

 

[Rocketlaketx]

From what's been said earlier, yes, as long as you run the pumps slow enough that they don't overpower the vacuum pump.

Thank you for your response, Valantar; Yes, that much I understood. However, Shoggy also emphasized the need for this lid on the secondary pump/reservoir.

You will have to replace the top of one reservoir with this one. The other reservoir will get LEAKSHIELD as its new top. Both pumps together will have a to high pressure. You will have to slow them down.

My next question to you, Valantar, how would I adjust the fill level of the Flt reservoir/distribution plate to required levels and operate without the secondary LeakShield top or, must the 2nd pump be a Ultitube?

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[Valantar]

Thank you for your response, Valantar; Yes, that much I understood. However, Shoggy also emphasized the need for this lid on the secondary pump/reservoir.

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You will have to replace the top of one reservoir with this one. The other reservoir will get LEAKSHIELD as its new top. Both pumps together will have a to high pressure. You will have to slow them down.

My next question to you, Valantar, how would I adjust the fill level of the Flt reservoir/distribution plate to required levels and operate without the secondary LeakShield top or, must the 2nd pump be a Ultitube?

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You only have one Ultitube, right? I.e. only one pressure release membrane, which will be replaced by the Leakshield, resulting in zero membranes? Thus you don't need that lid - it's for the second Ultitube in a setup with two. I assume your distro plate doesn't have a pressure release membrane, hence my response. I frankly have no idea how you'd adjust the fill levels and such, as I think I'd need practical experience with the Leakshield to understand how this affects its operation. But it's no doubt doable.

 

[Rocketlaketx]

The filling feature of LEAKSHIELD could be a problem because the fill level in both reservoirs will end up differently for sure. It is likely that you will have to adjust this manually.

Once the pressure is set, in both pump chambers, the moment I open the Distro fill port to mess with the fill levels, the system loses its vacuum. This lid would solve the issue but that only fits the Ultitube

Is @Shoggy returning?

 

[Valantar]

Once the pressure is set, in both pump chambers, the moment I open the Distro fill port to mess with the fill levels, the system loses its vacuum. This lid would solve the issue but that only fits the Ultitube

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Is Shoogy returning?

Let's mention @Shoggy and ask?

But why would you open the distro fill port while the system is running? There's only a vacuum while the system (or at least the vacuum pump) is running after all. Fill the system properly, then activate the leakshield, and it should work.