ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF

[LFaWolf]

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT

This card exists for one reason and one reason only... To make the RX 7900 XTX look better. It's so stupid too because AMD had a real hit with the RX 6800 XT when compared to the RX 6900 XT. The better value should always be with the lower-tier card but both nVidia and AMD have bucked that...

www.techpowerup.com

Funny no one is calling out the 7900xt the same way or calling Wizzard a shill for his editor choice award for that review.

Do people own AMD stock or something? People need to check their own biases if they are going to call out someone elses.

For pricing to fall. Both companies need to fail at this high pricing not just Nvidia because you hate them.

AMD pricing needs to fall even more because outside of this forum bubble which is generally more red loving, the general public prefers Nvidia as Marketshare numbers show. Higher AMD pricing causes higher Nvidia pricing which just causes a cycle of continuously higher pricing.

In addition, AMD lowering pricing would cause far more damage towards Nvidia business model and financials. However short term greed is what is keeping pricing high. E.g price the 7900xt at 699. and all of a sudden Nvidia's 3 or 4 billion dollar inventory is worth half since much of it is Amphere and Nvidia's high usage of North American engineers, versus Chinese ones makes their R and D budge not sustainable without price increases. Nvidia in 2018 spent 1.8 billion on R and D and AMD spent 1.4 billion. In 2022, Nvidia spent over 5.2 billion while AMD just spent over 2.8 billion. Subtract the money spent on CPU's and AMD is spending significantly less than a billion dollars on GPU's in a year.

Play their cards right and AMD can really hurt Nvidia, more than a short time financial benefit for themselves.

Good point, but one of the things in business is to maximize profit and not leave money on the table. AMD is doing exactly that. There is no need to hurt NVIDIA when AMD can also benefit from the high prices.

The price cut will come, but maybe game bundle comes first. We shall see.

 

[Acesbong]

Good point, but one of the things in business is to maximize profit and not leave money on the table. AMD is doing exactly that. There is no need to hurt NVIDIA when AMD can also benefit from the high prices.

The price cut will come, but maybe game bundle comes first. We shall see.

True , no point in getting annoyed about it, vote with your wallet. However I don't see how reviewers can recommend any of these products.

 

[N3M3515]

Funny no one is calling out the 7900xt the same way or calling @W1zzard a shill for his editor choice award for that review.

I did call him out on both instances.

 

[medi01]

People need to start voting with their wallet for some folks in leather jackets to realize that there is market for "slightly more expensive, but quite a bit faster than last gen" GPUs.


Maybe for "roughly the same price, but somewhat faster" GPUs.

Oh, and then, maybe that lovely TSMC would see its record profits ("node processes are more and more expensive" of course) to be a bit less recordy.

There is no need to hurt NVIDIA when AMD can also benefit from the high prices.

The reason is called "I want to grab market share".

Whether MCM design can be sold much cheaper than SMALL monolith GPUs like 4080 and "unlaunched 4080" is yet to be seen.

Much more VRAM on AMD GPUs isn't helping either.

 

[ThrashZone]

You make a good point, I didn't personally look at the end summary for that. How are these cards getting recommended? I like TPU reviews and their format/structure. How on earth can anyone justify recommending a 4070ti or a 7900xt?
Are we afraid to stop receiving review samples or something?

Hi,
It's just a logo that is added to all reviews.

 

[Why_Me]

Launch Prices:
1070 Ti - $449
2070 Super - $499
3070 Ti -$599
4070 Ti - $799

If you go by Nvidia trend and the performance it offers compaired to last generation, this card should have cost $699 at the most. To the people saying it isn't overpriced (even with taking inflation into account) you are delusional.

The card is good, the price is horrible. Just like the 7900XT. No why it should have gotten editor's choice.


Well said.

RTX 3090 MSRP: $1,499
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $799

 

[N3M3515]

RTX 3090 MSRP: $1,499
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $799
RTX 3070 Ti MSRP: $600

Corrected that for you.

 

[LFaWolf]

People need to start voting with their wallet for some folks in leather jackets to realize that there is market for "slightly more expensive, but quite a bit faster than last gen" GPUs.


Maybe for "roughly the same price, but somewhat faster" GPUs.

Oh, and then, maybe that lovely TSMC would see its record profits ("node processes are more and more expensive" of course) to be a bit less recordy.


The reason is called "I want to grab market share".

Whether MCM design can be sold much cheaper than SMALL monolith GPUs like 4080 and "unlaunched 4080" is yet to be seen.

Much more VRAM on AMD GPUs isn't helping either.

Market share is much less important than pure profit. Apple ships less than 20% of the smartphones each quarter worldwide but earns much more than anyone else. Market share can be useful for a fast growth company, but AMD is not a fast growth company anymore.

 

[Why_Me]

Corrected that for you.

$200 more for 52 more fps at 1440P.

 

[wheresmycar]

I've been comparing a couple of 1440p stats to see how well the 4070 TI performs over my current 2080 TI. Only around 30% faster. Looking at a few titles "i play" regularly @ 1440p, thats around +25-35fps increase. Outside of special circumstances (pandemic/crytpo) this is the type performance increase i would have expected with a 3000-series card in the $500 region but a 40-series mid-tier card showboating $800 is absurd. Where did the x2-x4 perf go? It's not even x2-x4 when stacked up against a 20-series card.

It just shows how horrendously priced the 3090ti was when it came out.

Its even more shocking people/reviewers are comparing the 3090TI's MSRP with current Gen products. All the meanwhile, NVIDIA is probably begging for another COVID/crypto hit to justify current prices subject to further in-house mass-murder scalping. They're killing the enthusiast gaming market and me knot lyking it

 

[Why_Me]

I've been comparing a couple of 1440p stats to see how well the 4070 TI performs over my current 2080 TI. Only around 30% faster. Looking at a few titles "i play" regularly @ 1440p, thats around +25-35fps increase. Outside of special circumstances (pandemic/crytpo) this is the type performance increase i would have expected with a 3000-series card in the $500 region but a 40-series mid-tier card showboating $800 is absurd. Where did the x2-x4 perf go? It's not even x2-x4 when stacked up against a 20-series card.



Its even more shocking people/reviewers are comparing the 3090TI's MSRP with current Gen products. All the meanwhile, NVIDIA is probably begging for another COVID/crypto hit to justify current prices subject to further in-house mass-murder scalping. They're killing the enthusiast gaming market and me knot lyking it

That so called $800 mid tier card beats a $1500 RTX 3090 at 1440P.

 

[crimina|]

RTX 3090 MSRP: $1,499
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $799

And? Each generation the 70 series matches the previous generation flagship. You would be a fool to pay that price for a 3090 Ti now. Doesn't make the 4070 Ti price any better.

By your logic, the 4070 Ti should cost $1500 because it matches last generation flagship performance... lol. Nvidia loves people like you.

 

[wheresmycar]

That so called $800 mid tier card beats a $1500 RTX 3090 at 1440P.

Its imprudent to suggest 30-series MSRP is relevant going forward. During the cryto/pandemic craze had the 3090 MSRP'eed at $4000 it doesn't mean $4000 becomes relevant with some level of price normalisation. We need to stop using 30-series day light robbery prices as a universal indicator... this sort of absurdity only makes sense for NVIDIA MARKETING, not for the general consumer. Also let's not forget the XX90 luxury products are hardly representative of XX70/XX80 segments.

Bottom line, 25-35fps increase for a mid-ranged 40-series over a 2080 TI is just rediculous considering the asking price ($800). The most i'd pay for this sort of uptick is $500

 

[N/A]

Don't count on it to hold true forever, 70 series is a very wide range this time around 3080 to 3090. the simple 4070 is shaping up to have only 75% of GPU unlocked ~ 3080 or less. We don't make the rules, Nvidia does and more precisely the forces that act and react in the universe.

 

[cbb]

idk, my takeaway is this thing will age poorly (typ resolution isn't gonna decrease over time). If u want fast 1080 or 2k or whatev now, seems ok (maybe even promising, by some priorities). But I try to upgrade infrequently, and this seems likely to be a regrettable purchase in just a couple years for current/likely 4k users. I already run 3840x2160 (it's cheap nowadays) and ideally would like to multi monitor.

Plus, man gpus are a lot more expensive these days (largely inflation, but not all I think, or at least beyond chained CPI). My 2070 will need to soldier on for a few more years, it seems.

It also outperforms the RTX3080. By about 22%.

Why is nobody using the RTX3080 as a comparison (especially when this was initially being released as a 4080 12GB)? I'll tell you why, because at current pricing it is 30% more expensive for only 22% more performance (less at 4k).

It's incredible that Nvidia are being given a 'get out of jail free card' by some people for what they were going to pull (and initially at $100 more just on product name alone) until they realised they were pushing the profit margins so hard that their bluff was being called. They backed down and effectively sent stickers to the AIB's to make new boxes for the rebadge.

I think the card is fantastic - it consumes less power than my 2080ti and is far superior and quieter. But it's not good value for what it is (and this is not an emotional discussion). Performance is meaningless without price context; arguments to the contrary are delusional. This is Nvidia's 70-class card. It's at a higher price than every single x080 (non ti card). That's not right and Nvidia knows it.

Again, AMD's 7900XT is also crazy priced. There's no defence for that card either.

best post in the thread, imho. Nailed it.

 

[bug]

$200 more for 52 more fps at 1440P.

You couldn't get a 3070Ti for MSRP anyway. To this day it's hard to find one that's not at least ~$750.

 

[crimina|]

You couldn't get a 3070Ti for MSRP anyway. To this day it's hard to find one that's not at least ~$750.

That’s not true. They were hard to get because of scalpers, but you could get them at MSRP.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Something to consider when comparing a product to MSRP of last gen is, was the last gen priced well? The flagship 2080Ti was 999, but the 3090Ti was 1999. Sure, not of the same class, but the top tier card of the generation. Nvidia made their really big price hike move in the last generation—before inflation really took off! Now they march out cards like this and ask $799 (more like $850+). Just think, they actually considered calling this a 4080, so they could price it even higher. Yes, you’re getting generational performance gains, but that’s the whole point. If performance was stagnant, there would be no new sale, and really no reason for a new product. The whole purpose of new generations of tech products is for them to be significantly better than the outgoing model in some way, for about the same amount of money as before.

It looks like a decent card that should perform well, but the price is just wrong. NVIDIA is trying to reframe what GPU pricing should be, and it’s way higher than a few generations ago. A $200 generational price bump is what they want us to accept. And again, this was almost called a 4080–they wanted to charge even more for this product.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

How on earth does this get an editors choice award? 16% faster than a 3080 @ 4k for 900$. What a joke.

Exactly my sentiment, reviewers should have some integrity, at least something like this:
"at this price is recommended beyond this it isn't"
Then we have philistines and sellouts like DF, which basically are nVidia's marketing tool.

Remember. This card is claimed to be as fast as a 3090Ti (I'm sorry, up to 3x faster - see the picture, up to 3x faster!), but has less VRAM....but it's not supposed to be targeted as a 4k card??? You should only get the card for 1440p? Then what the hell was the 3090Ti supposed to be? A not 4k card, too?

Now people are saying that 12GB is not holding the card back, but 10GB 2 years ago on a 3080 was holding that card back?
Folks then say the card is better over the 7900XT because of DLSS. What the hell is going on here? AMD has FSR, they both function in a similar manner and give similar results; sometimes one is better than the other depending on the game.
But then folks will say DLSS 3 is the cream of the crop and try to claim it's an awesome addition, but in reality Nvidia is just using algorithms to generate extra frames which also creates increased latency, just to make the appearance that these 40x0 series cards are so much faster than the competition.
Then folks still claim raytracing is the best thing, better than sliced bread and they say without RT games suck! Therefore, AMD's cards suck the most because they are behind Nvidia's when it comes to doing RT. I still don't know who I feel worse for when it comes to RT - AMD for being behind what Nvidia can do or Nvidia for still sucking at RT even though they have dedicated cores to handle it.

I don't know what's going on anymore with the GPU segment, but I'm starting to feel like it's just a huge pain in the ass in terms of pricing, performance, functionality and shitty PR stunts by the manufacturers. Maybe it's just me?

In the only impressive game using this technology Fortnite, AMD runs well, suggesting that RT implementations so far are more suiting nVidia GPUs.

As for hardware acceleration, nVidia is stagnating, the loss of performance when activating RT hasn't improved all that much, in some instances it's worse.

I'm not condoning AMD, they are just as awful with their stupid pricing.

 

[N/A]

The whole purpose of new generations of tech products is for them to be significantly better than the outgoing model in some way, for about the same amount of money as before.

Maybe not necessarily. Having released a 25-33% cheaper and better card than 3080Ti also does the trick. What they call it is kind of insignificant except for not sounding right resembling more of 3060 with this 192 botched bus than a proper 70/80.

I wouldn't pay a 2 year old MSRP for a 3070. But 50% better for 50% more money, yeah that works for me and i don't have to worry about the insufficient 8GB rendering it obsolete turning it into paperweight way too soon.

 

[Nawdir]

In my country basic (new)rtx 3080 is being sold for less than 600$ but basic 4070ti is 940$ upwards. Comedy material there

 

[brutlern]

How much of an issue would the 192 bit and only 12 GB vram be in the future? I cannot afford a 4080 or 7900XTX, the most I can go is the 7900XT. Than one has 320 bit and a whooping 20 GB of Vram. The 4070 is cheaper, and thus the more attractive option. I dont care for RT and FSR is good enough for me, so those are not a factor in my choice. But with only 12 GB of Vram (which is already borderline at 4K) and only 192 bit, I fear that the 4070 is a great performer today, but as newer more advanced games release, I fear it won't have the lasting power of the 7900. (I remember the old days, when the rule of thumb was: avoid the 128bit cards, always go for the 256bit ones)

 

[bug]

How much of an issue would the 192 bit and only 12 GB vram be in the future? I cannot afford a 4080 or 7900XTX, the most I can go is the 7900XT. Than one has 320 bit and a whooping 20 GB of Vram. The 4070 is cheaper, and thus the more attractive option. I dont care for RT and FSR is good enough for me, so those are not a factor in my choice. But with only 12 GB of Vram (which is already borderline at 4K) and only 192 bit, I fear that the 4070 is a great performer today, but as newer more advanced games release, I fear it won't have the lasting power of the 7900. (I remember the old days, when the rule of thumb was: avoid the 128bit cards, always go for the 256bit ones)

Three things:
1. 12GB is not "already borderline", it's plenty for 4k. Worst case scenario, you'll find a few titles that go overboard in 3-5 years. You can work around that by fiddling with settings with a minimal loss in IQ.
2. Looking at benchmarks, 192bit is too narrow. The card is easily faster than 3090Ti at FHD and QHD, but it already runs out of steam at 4k. It's still in the same league as the 3090Ti, so it will do its job. But with a 256bit bus it would have been significantly faster.
3. I'm pretty sure when you say "FSR is good enough for me", you forget DLSS3 comes with frame generation which will boost your FPS where FSR can't follow.

Long story short, I would consider the 4070Ti, without worrying about its longevity. On the other hand, I'm damn certain I'm not paying $800 for a video card.

 

[N3M3515]

$200 more for 52 more fps at 1440P.

Yeah, and next 5070Ti $1000, and in a couple of generations 7070Ti $1600 right!

Each generation the 70 series matches the previous generation flagship

The 3070 non ti matched the previous gen flagship, the 2080 ti....................................two years later and the 4070 Ti, does not even beat previuos gen flagship, the 3090 Ti.

 

[crimina|]

How much of an issue would the 192 bit and only 12 GB vram be in the future? I cannot afford a 4080 or 7900XTX, the most I can go is the 7900XT. Than one has 320 bit and a whooping 20 GB of Vram. The 4070 is cheaper, and thus the more attractive option. I dont care for RT and FSR is good enough for me, so those are not a factor in my choice. But with only 12 GB of Vram (which is already borderline at 4K) and only 192 bit, I fear that the 4070 is a great performer today, but as newer more advanced games release, I fear it won't have the lasting power of the 7900. (I remember the old days, when the rule of thumb was: avoid the 128bit cards, always go for the 256bit ones)

12GB is on the edge of being enough 4k. I was running a 3080 10GB and was already running out of VRAM. I would be hesitant about buying a 12GB card for 4k in 2023. And you can already see the impact of the 192bit bus at 4k.
I'd say wait to see if price drops happen and get a 7900XT if that happens.