ASUS Radeon RX 5700 XT STRIX OC

[[XC] Oj101]

geforce dxr on vs navi dxr off is stupid,I don't know what else to call such test.

How about "Show AMD in a better light"?

 

[cucker tarlson]

How about "Show AMD in a better light"?

how is that better light?
same way one might test 2070 medium vs 5700xt ultra

 

[[XC] Oj101]

how is that better light?
same way one might test 2070 medium vs 5700xt ultra

I'm agreeing with you. The only reason to test DXR on NVIDIA vs DXR off AMD is if you're pushing an agenda.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I'm agreeing with you. The only reason to test DXR on NVIDIA vs DXR off AMD is if you're pushing an agenda.

it's additional work for W1zzard just to make some people feel good about not buying a dxr capable card.

Radeon dont market DXR as feature but Nvidia does. So games that support DXR, should be tested with DXR on RTX cards and should reflect in how much % in the graph.

testing dxr in a navi review ? are you f***ing kidding me ?
you know you can turn off dxr and make it an even field for a traditional test ?

 

[HD64G]

Guys in ASUS aren't doing well for their GPU segment at least in the AMD side. So much pricier for such a small increase in performance isn't a good placed product. Most of the custom 5700XTs will be closer to the ref's price and will sell much better imho. ROG brand has become the apple of PC world me thinks.

 

[jabbadap]

I'm agreeing with you. The only reason to test DXR on NVIDIA vs DXR off AMD is if you're pushing an agenda.

Yeah that would void whole review... DXR can be added to reviews, when AMD releases RDNA2 cards with hw accelerated DXR. But even then you can't bench all older cards with that on. So probably in future reviews, there will be DXR-only part with the cards that supports it and good'ol'raster part for the all of the cards.

 

[medi01]

Navi: Not great.

Yeah.

2070super performance for $100 less.
A 250mm2 7nm chip vs 550mm2 12nm chip.
Totally not great.

 

[mahoney]

I "like" how both of you are bashing HUB which have no relation to TPU at all in a post about W1zzard's review.

Im not shitting on HUB it's just that his selection was weird plus he only did a 12 game benchmark. Cause of that vid a lot of people think that the 5700xt is close to 2070super when in reality it's even with the 2070.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Im not shitting on HUB it's just that selection was weird plus he only did a 12 game benchmark. Cause of that vid a lot of people think that the 5700xt is close to 2070super when in reality it's even with the 2070 when you don't cherrypick

well HUB are on yt,they pretty much have to do it or they'll get shat on and downvoted by fanboys.TPU is my #1 place to go when it comes to GPU reviews,same as PCGH.
+20 games,3 resolutions.Both show 2070S more than 10% faster than 5700xt and 15% oc vs oc.

 

[mahoney]

well HUB are on yt,they pretty much have to do it or they'll get shat on and downvoted by fanboys.TPU is my #1 place to go when it comes to GPU reviews,same as PCGH.
+20 games,3 resolutions.Both show 2070S more than 10% faster than 5700xt and 15% oc vs oc.

HUB=Techspot

 

[cucker tarlson]

HUB=Techspot

I know

 

[jabbadap]

well HUB are on yt,they pretty much have to do it or they'll get shat on by fanboys.TPU is my #1 place to go when it comes to GPU reviews,same as PCGH.
+20 games,3 resolutions.Both show 2070S more than 10% faster than 5700xt.

Well Techspot will do more reviews, they have usually done some 30 games or so on graphics card reviews(Heck they did 36 game benchmarks for two processors...). It was just holiday season and too many product launched in short notice and time. But yeah when they finally bench more games, their percentages most likely will start to be more close to sites that have much more games benched than they have now.

 

[nguyen]

Well Techspot will do more reviews, they have usually done some 30 games or so on graphics card reviews(Heck they did 36 game benchmarks for two processors...). It was just holiday season and too many product launched in short notice and time. But yeah when they finally bench more games, their percentages most likely will start to be more close to sites that have much more games benched than they have now.

Nah HUB mega games benchmarks are still very favorable for AMD, best just look at results of games that you care about. Funny thing was they removed all games that I actually play ) (that favor Nvidia)

 

[cucker tarlson]

Nah HUB mega games benchmarks are still very favorable for AMD, best just look at results of games that you care about. Funny thing was they removed all games that I actually play ) (that favor Nvidia)

look at their FH4 result.26% ?
pcgh shows 10%

 

[Vya Domus]

Radeon dont market DXR as feature but Nvidia does. So games that support DXR, should be tested with DXR on RTX cards and should reflect in how much % in the graph.

Agreed.

If DXR makes it into the list of disadvantages of an AMD card then surely that means you can include DXR into this discussions on both sides, therefore this is an objective metric that can and should be measured and taken into account. If it's a negative point for AMD then this means that under normal circumstances this is considered a beneficial thing, right ? If that's the case at the very least reviews should include results with DXR on and off.

There is no question this would make things confusing but that's what you get if you really want to include fringe features and be fair about it. Why tout something constantly while simultaneously obfuscating it's downsides ? This is a particularly one sided way to go about it, not necessarily for Nvidia but in general towards everyone that might consider this aspect.

I do have to say though, AMD did learn something from the past here with regards to obscure features that may or may not be worthwhile, namely their past experience with tessellation. They can easily introduce a compatibility layer and make DXR available on their cards, but why do it when they know that this is going to get hammered to death. AMD partially disarmed Nvidia here in that they chose not to play catch with them, sneaky bastards.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Agreed.

If DXR makes it into the list of disadvantages of an AMD card then what am I to gather from that ? That under normal circumstances this is considered a beneficial thing, right ? If that's the case at the very least reviews should include results with DXR on and off.

There is no question this would make things confusing but that's what you get if you really want to include fringe features and be fair about it. Why tout something constantly while simultaneously obfuscating it's downsides ? This is a particularly one sided way to go about it, not necessarily for Nvidia but in general towards everyone that might consider this aspect.

lol,but it's a performance review,not an opinion essay on visual fidelity,what don't you understand about that ? to mention dxr compatibility in conclusion in the best way to do it.

 

[danbert2000]

It looks like a max overclocked 5700 XT will still be a bit slower than a 2070 Super reference, which can then overclock ~10%. So I would hope that with that and the lack of DXR, Asus prices this sanely. And that would mean putting as much space as possible between the $500 2070 Supers and the maxed out 5700 XTs.

 

[tajoh111]

Check this then from the Strix 5700XT Guru3D review:

https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=53459

You can achieve +5% by tweaking (UV).

I'm buying an AIB for being cooler and quieter, not for being faster as you can OC reference cards too. This Strix does that. However, it's way too expensive. I'm waiting for the reference priced Powercolor, the XFX Thicc, and of course the Sapphire Pulse and Nitro+.

Why be dishonest and try to mask a overclocked result as an undervolted one.

ASUS Radeon RX 5700 XT ROG STRIX review

Meet the ASUS Radeon RX 5700 XT ROG STRIX that we review today. It has increased clocks, increased looks and well is just customized all the way. Fabricated at a 7nm node and capable of battling with ... Overclocking the graphics card

www.guru3d.com

Here is the original source material which you did not link to directly conveniently, just the image.

A 2100-2150mhz, 950mhz memory and 1.2 voltage + 50% powerlimit is not an underclock in any way.

Did you just look for overclocked results that said tweak and try to pass it on as an undervolt?

You can cheer for team red if you want but don't compromise your morals and lie for a company. It makes not only you look bad but the rest of the red fan base.

 

[Vya Domus]

I don't see how the act of undervolting wouldn't fall in the same category with overclocking or tweaking or whatever.

You are making a product operate out of spec by modifying it's parameters, the rest is just semantics.

 

[bug]

Yeah that would void whole review... DXR can be added to reviews, when AMD releases RDNA2 cards with hw accelerated DXR. But even then you can't bench all older cards with that on. So probably in future reviews, there will be DXR-only part with the cards that supports it and good'ol'raster part for the all of the cards.

You can add RTX/DXR to reviews if only to compare RTX cards among them. Or to look at the visual improvements it provides. I'm guessing it's all about the ROI (time to run additional benches vs additional page clicks gained).

 

[tajoh111]

I don't see how the act of undervolting wouldn't fall in the same category with overclocking or tweaking or whatever.

You are making a product operate out of spec by modifying it's parameters, the rest is just semantics.

Because the performance gained though the link was done through overclocking, not undervolting.

To say overclocking and undervolting are the same thing is delusional. While the former leads to higher power consumption, heat and maximum gains in performance, the latter leads to modest gains with the benefit of lower power consumption(or similar) and less noise.

The above guru3d performance results were from overclocking, not undervolting as the original poster implied.

To say we can post any performance results and label them the term most favorable to AMD because it falls underneath the umbrella is erroneous and makes me question how powerful and deep AMD's viral marketing runs. You can't mix and match the performance results from overclocking the 5700xt and mix it with the implied benefit of undervolting. Why lie.

If someone were to follow your logic, with the umbrella term of tweaking(undervolting, overclocking are the same), someone could post LN2 results and say they undervolted because both are running out of spec and all tweaks are equal. It's ultra ridiculous. Your making team red look bed if your don't see the horrible logic behind your post.

 

[Vya Domus]

Because the performance gained though the link was done through overclocking, not undervolting.

To say overclocking and undervolting are the same thing is delusional. While the former leads to higher power consumption, heat and maximum gains in performance, the latter leads to modest gains with the benefit of lower power consumption(or similar) and less noise.

The above guru3d performance results were from overclocking, not undervolting as the original poster implied.

To say we can post any performance results and label them the term most favorable to AMD because it falls underneath the umbrella is erroneous and makes me question how powerful and deep AMD's viral marketing runs. You can't mix and match the performance results from overclocking the 5700xt and mix it with the implied benefit of undervolting. Why lie.

Really ?

Let's look at three scenarios :

You undervolt a card and you make it use less power which in turn makes it run at higher clocks than normal.
You increase it's power limit from the default value which in turn makes it run at higher clocks than normal.
You increase the voltage and frequency manually which in turn makes it run at higher clocks than normal.

Are you really going to make the argument that only the third case is an overclock even though they all have the same result ? Indeed all you are doing is tweaking voltages,power limits, frequencies, etc. Everything you do that has the effect to cause an increase in clock speed is an overclock, this is fact. You said it yourself, undervolting leads to modest gains but gains nonetheless.

Are you annoyed that all this dynamic clockspeed business has made it so that now performance can no longer be gained in one and only one way ? Complain to every GPU manufacturer out there not to us. AMD may be the only ones that allow for explicit undervolting but you should be aware Nvidia does the same thing automatically under the hood with their cards to try and reach higher clocks out of the box, it's part of their boost algorithm.

And for the record I didn't reference this towards whatever was posted in the comment you were replying to, my point is simply that all this falls under the same act of changing the operating parameters of a product to get some sort of desired result. Unfortunately it is no longer as simple as it once used to be, this debate is tremendously stupid, let it go.

Your making team red look bed if your don't see the horrible logic behind your post.

I would never do that, I am more of a couch person. Also did you just assume the color of my team ? I feel offended.

 

[Redwoodz]

Anand measured 5%: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14618/the-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rx-5700-review/16
Only, this isn't about performance alone. If you get the 2070S, you get to play with RTX/DXR. If you get the 5700XT, you don't

Then the report should inc. DXR on. You can't tout a feature then leave it off during performance reviews. LMAO.

 

[Crackong]

Agreed.

If DXR makes it into the list of disadvantages of an AMD card then surely that means you can include DXR into this discussions on both sides, therefore this is an objective metric that can and should be measured and taken into account. If it's a negative point for AMD then this means that under normal circumstances this is considered a beneficial thing, right ? If that's the case at the very least reviews should include results with DXR on and off.

Agreed.

If the current gimmick RTRT feature is considered as an advantage, the test must show how it affects performance.
Also RIS should be on the advantage list and DLSS on the disadvantage list.
Then add 85% RIS vs DLSS results in all game tests.

 

[Kovoet]

Might give this a go when out in the UK