ASUS ROG Swift Pro PG248QP 540 Hz and ROG Swift PG27AQDM OLED 240 Hz Monitors

[btarunr]

It may be small, but it's fast! The new ROG Swift Pro PG248QP is a 24.1-inch planar gaming monitor with a measly Full HD (1920 x 1080 pixels) resolution, but an at an incredible 540 Hz refresh rate, making it the world's fastest E-Sports display. This display is so quick, and ASUS set up a 144 Hz display next to it for comparison, and one could tell the difference. The monitor also features NVIDIA G-SYNC, and NVIDIA Reflex Analyzer, along with a USB 3.2 hub, so you can plug your Reflex-compatible gaming mouse to the monitor, and the monitor itself to an upstream USB 3.2 source, besides the DisplayPort connection. Another interesting aspect about this monitor is that ASUS has integrated a high-end USB audio DAC sourced from ESS, so you can plug your analog headset to the display and get audio quality on par with a high-end onboard audio solution, or even a mid-range discrete sound card.

Elsewhere across the ASUS ROG booth, we caught the ASUS ROG Swift PG27AQDM-OLED, the company's fastest gaming monitors to use an OLED panel. This 27-inch monitor offers WQHD (2560 x 1440 pixels) resolution, with 0.03 ms response time, and 240 Hz refresh rate, besides 1,000 nits peak brightness, and 99% DCI-P3 coverage. The panel features an anti-glare micro-coating. OLED displays tend to produce more heat than backlit LCD displays, and so this monitor packs a series of thermal innovations to prolong the lifespan of the OLED panel. It supports AMD FreeSync Premium,



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[Daven]

Can HDMI 2 or DP 1.4 even output 540 Hz at 1080p?

 

[dj-electric]

Can HDMI 2 or DP 1.4 even output 540 Hz at 1080p?

I believe you need roughly 40Gbps to be able to do that. HDMI 2.1 can. Basically what 8K60 can.

 

[Garrus]

what they should have done is set up the OLED next to the 500mhz LCD LMAO, then tell me if you think LCDs are fast

 

[Daven]

I believe you need roughly 40Gbps to be able to do that. HDMI 2.1 can. Basically what 8K60 can.

That’s very close to the max of 48 Gbps. I wonder how much the quality of the HDMI cable makes a difference at these refresh rates.

 

[dj-electric]

That’s very close to the max of 48 Gbps. I wonder how much the quality of the HDMI cable makes a difference at these refresh rates.

Shouldn't be much of an issue IMO. If we can drive 4K144Hz monitors, we can drive this monitor.

 

[Chrispy_]

EWwwwwwww, it's a TN panel.
It'll probably cost >$600 too :\

 

[Deleted member 185088]

what they should have done is set up the OLED next to the 500mhz LCD LMAO, then tell me if you think LCDs are fast

Yeah no idea why they keep pushing LCD, pixel response time is way slower than OLED, just push OLED instead.

 

[Jomale]

Is there a red light led beamer under that display? How annoying!

 

[TheLostSwede]

Is there a red light led beamer under that display? How annoying!

Lots of gaming displays have those these days, Asus started the "trend" though.

 

[sephiroth117]

That OLED screen is exponentially more interesting than that 540Hz TN panel...
It's a little funny that people think "upgrading" to that 540hz will improve their skills..the issue is between the keyboard and the chair, not the screen usually

 

[evernessince]

Yeah no idea why they keep pushing LCD, pixel response time is way slower than OLED, just push OLED instead.

OLEDs are not suitable for all environments, particularly ones with high amounts of ambient light. This is down to the fact that OLED have a much lower maximum brightness than LCDs.

OLEDs still have burn-in issues as well, particularly when approaching the panel's max brightness. The chance of burn-in increases as you up the brightness.

They can't just push OLED because OLED is not ready to take over in all the environments LCDs do.

 

[claes]

People have been saying these things for a decade as if the tech hadn’t advanced. Like, back when plasma was the enthusiast’s choice

 

[Garrus]

Yeah no idea why they keep pushing LCD, pixel response time is way slower than OLED, just push OLED instead.

because it doesn't matter if the TN panel is 500hz or not, it is dirt cheap to manufacture

 

[Zmon]

Can HDMI 2 or DP 1.4 even output 540 Hz at 1080p?

Max total bandwith for DP 1.4 is 32.4Gbps iirc. It's likely this monitor will utilize DSC over DP 1.4 to achieve that refresh rate. It also has 2 HDMI 2.0 ports, so VRR likely won't work if you utilize those (not that it really matters, average person probably won't even bother with gsync/freesync with this monitor, though it prob matters more for console players but they can't utilize the refresh rate either)

 

[MentalAcetylide]

EWwwwwwww, it's a TN panel.
It'll probably cost >$600 too :\

Yeah, TN panels have absolutely atrocius viewing angles & not the best color accuracy. About the only "sort of" positive thing I could think of regarding them is if I was working with any texturing colors that were very close in value to each other, I could tilt the angle of the monitor slightly up or down and make them more distinct from each and determine the incremental boundaries of a gradient. Nevertheless, still prefer just about anything over a TN panel.

 

[BorisDG]

Hot take: OLED as a choice for PC monitor is bad!

 

[Minus Infinity]

If we can have 240Hz 1440p OLED we can have 120Hz 4K OLED or at a minimum 90Hz.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Anything above 240Hz is TOTALLY useless, even for professional e-sports nerds.
I challenge anyone who says otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

OLEDs are not suitable for all environments, particularly ones with high amounts of ambient light. This is down to the fact that OLED have a much lower maximum brightness than LCDs.

OLEDs still have burn-in issues as well, particularly when approaching the panel's max brightness. The chance of burn-in increases as you up the brightness.

They can't just push OLED because OLED is not ready to take over in all the environments LCDs do.

Well in the case of this monitor is for a very unique kind of customers. I don't think they mind the issues of OLED, only performance counts and OLED destroy LCD.

 

[Chrispy_]

if I was working with any texturing colors that were very close in value to each other, I could tilt the angle of the monitor slightly up or down and make them more distinct

"It's a feature, not a bug"

In fairness to Asus, their high-end TN gaming panels have historically had much better viewing angles than typical cheap TN monitors. They're still very limited compared to IPS or VA but I was pleasantly surprised to find to find that their vertical contrast shift and gamma inversion were tolerable.

 

[LogicaLiD10t]

Anything above 240Hz is TOTALLY useless, even for professional e-sports nerds.
I challenge anyone who says otherwise.

^ Challenge the science on the BlurBuster's website. I think they might have something to say to this.^

Blur Busters Law: The Amazing Journey To Future 1000Hz Displays - Blur Busters

A Blur Busters Holiday 2017 Special Feature by Mark D. Rejhon 2020 Update: NVIDIA and ASUS now has a long-term road map to 1000 Hz displays by the 2030s! Contacts at NVIDIA and vendors has confirmed this article is scientifically accurate. Before I Explain Blur Busters Law for Display Motion...

blurbusters.com

I realize this discussion is old but I was thrown off by some of the misconceptions here and wanted to help.

TN panels are cheaper to manufacture, easier to push to higher refresh rates and are getting better with each iteration that AUO makes. (AUO panels are in ASUS and ACER monitors). There are not a lot of panel manufactures in the world. Here is a data base of panels now and planned for the near future. https://tftcentral.co.uk/monitor_panel_parts

Instant pixel response does not necessarily mean that their is no motion blur. Grey to Grey transitions or as someone mentioned, pixel response time, on this panel is 1.80ms vs. Most OLED's monitors are sub .30ms. Your eyes could not tell the difference between them. This is about the monitor holding a consistent native refresh rate without errors. Those errors can cause "ghosting." Pound for pound or Hertz for Hertz, OLED wins every time. However, with black frame insertion combined or strobing (same thing, different name) combined with the Hertz AND if you can get close to the same frame rate.... it's a beautiful thing.

Every panel type, speed, color reproduction, and so on is about preference. Combine this panels speed with the ULMB2 (NVIDIA's version of black frame insertion technology) and you have near CRT motion clarity. This is important for FPS gamers. It's a tool to assist someone in improving, it wont provide skills. It's like a good tennis player having a quality racket vs a cheap one. It does not give them "skill" but helps them stay consistent in their journey to improve.

I don't personally care about view angles on a 24" screen. I will look directly in the middle and straight on and have no reason to look from any other angle. Color reproduction, contrast, and brightness are very good on the panel for being a TN.

We should not hate on TN, it has led the way in new panel technology since the beginning of LCD monitors. I wont post any reviews out of respect to this website but this monitor is really good for those who understand it's purpose. Especially the e-sports nerds in FPS's

TLDR; This panel is about motion clarity and eye tracking on moving targets. "OLED 240hz is close to LCD 500Hz" when it comes to motion clarity. Frame for frame anyway but when using strobing or black frame insertion, this panel is second to none. The motion clarity is insane.
https://blurbusters.com has amazing panel science and theories to better understand the technology in panels. Here is a database of panels now and those to come in the near future. https://tftcentral.co.uk/monitor_panel_parts.

Is there a red light led beamer under that display? How annoying!

You can turn it off.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

^ Challenge the science on the BlurBuster's website. I think they might have something to say to this.^

Blur Busters Law: The Amazing Journey To Future 1000Hz Displays - Blur Busters

A Blur Busters Holiday 2017 Special Feature by Mark D. Rejhon 2020 Update: NVIDIA and ASUS now has a long-term road map to 1000 Hz displays by the 2030s! Contacts at NVIDIA and vendors has confirmed this article is scientifically accurate. Before I Explain Blur Busters Law for Display Motion...

blurbusters.com

I realize this discussion is old but I was thrown off by some of the misconceptions here and wanted to help.

TN panels are cheaper to manufacture, easier to push to higher refresh rates and are getting better with each iteration that AUO makes. (AUO panels are in ASUS and ACER monitors). There are not a lot of panel manufactures in the world. Here is a data base of panels now and planned for the near future. https://tftcentral.co.uk/monitor_panel_parts

Instant pixel response does not necessarily mean that their is no motion blur. Grey to Grey transitions or as someone mentioned, pixel response time, on this panel is 1.80ms vs. Most OLED's monitors are sub .30ms. Your eyes could not tell the difference between them. This is about the monitor holding a consistent native refresh rate without errors. Those errors can cause "ghosting." Pound for pound or Hertz for Hertz, OLED wins every time. However, with black frame insertion combined or strobing (same thing, different name) combined with the Hertz AND if you can get close to the same frame rate.... it's a beautiful thing.

Every panel type, speed, color reproduction, and so on is about preference. Combine this panels speed with the ULMB2 (NVIDIA's version of black frame insertion technology) and you have near CRT motion clarity. This is important for FPS gamers. It's a tool to assist someone in improving, it wont provide skills. It's like a good tennis player having a quality racket vs a cheap one. It does not give them "skill" but helps them stay consistent in their journey to improve.

I don't personally care about view angles on a 24" screen. I will look directly in the middle and straight on and have no reason to look from any other angle. Color reproduction, contrast, and brightness are very good on the panel for being a TN.

We should not hate on TN, it has led the way in new panel technology since the beginning of LCD monitors. I wont post any reviews out of respect to this website but this monitor is really good for those who understand it's purpose. Especially the e-sports nerds in FPS's

TLDR; This panel is about motion clarity and eye tracking on moving targets. "OLED 240hz is close to LCD 500Hz" when it comes to motion clarity. Frame for frame anyway but when using strobing or black frame insertion, this panel is second to none. The motion clarity is insane.
https://blurbusters.com has amazing panel science and theories to better understand the technology in panels. Here is a database of panels now and those to come in the near future. https://tftcentral.co.uk/monitor_panel_parts.


You can turn it off.

Sure, if you don't require color accuracy and/or wide viewing angles, TN panels are the best way to go in regards to price.