Constant "EDP Other" under RING in ThrottleStop

[unclewebb]

activate Speed Shift

Most modern laptops activate Speed Shift automatically in the BIOS. If your laptop does this, you do not have to touch the Speed Shift settings in ThrottleStop. I do not check the Speed Shift EPP option. If you have a need to check this option, A Speed Shift EPP setting of 0 is for maximum CPU speed. An EPP setting of 80 or 84 is what most laptops use so they can slow down when lightly loaded. Some laptops use an EPP setting of 128 when running on battery power.

If you are using the Windows Balanced power profile, do not check Speed Shift EPP. Move the Windows power slider in the system tray. When you move this, watch in the FIVR monitoring table and you will see that Windows is changing the Speed Shift EPP value all by itself.

There is no need to disable SpeedStep or C1E. If you do not understand a setting, leave it alone. Only change something if it can help improve a problem you are having. The only person that knows what works best for your laptop is you. Watch some more videos. Take some time to learn the program and learn what each setting does. It took me a long time to write the program so if it takes you a few months to learn it, that is OK.

Fix your cooling. That is your biggest problem.

 

[aa1996s]

Ok but the only person I can learn is from you, since you are the owner of the program, and yes, my speedshift - EPP, it was in another value I think 128, but I have set it to 0

 

[unclewebb]

the only person I can learn is from you

ThrottleStop

Optimize and tweak your Intel processor

www.techpowerup.com

You can learn a lot about ThrottleStop by reading through all of those posts.

 

[aa1996s]

se refiere a limipar mis disipador y mis ventiladores para mejorar mi refrigeración?

Most modern laptops activate Speed Shift automatically in the BIOS. If your laptop does this, you do not have to touch the Speed Shift settings in ThrottleStop. I do not check the Speed Shift EPP option. If you have a need to check this option, A Speed Shift EPP setting of 0 is for maximum CPU speed. An EPP setting of 80 or 84 is what most laptops use so they can slow down when lightly loaded. Some laptops use an EPP setting of 128 when running on battery power.

If you are using the Windows Balanced power profile, do not check Speed Shift EPP. Move the Windows power slider in the system tray. When you move this, watch in the FIVR monitoring table and you will see that Windows is changing the Speed Shift EPP value all by itself.

There is no need to disable SpeedStep or C1E. If you do not understand a setting, leave it alone. Only change something if it can help improve a problem you are having. The only person that knows what works best for your laptop is you. Watch some more videos. Take some time to learn the program and learn what each setting does. It took me a long time to write the program so if it takes you a few months to learn it, that is OK.

Fix your cooling. That is your biggest problem.

You mean cleaning my heatsinks and fans to improve my cooling?

 

[unclewebb]

You mean cleaning my heatsinks and fans to improve my cooling?

Yes. Clean out the dust and if that does not improve your temperatures, replace the thermal paste between the CPU and the heatsink.

 

[aa1996s]

Yes. Clean out the dust and if that does not improve your temperatures, replace the thermal paste between the CPU and the heatsink.

These days the noise started in my fan, it is strange as if something crashed and could not work well, I thought it was something wrong, and when I opened the laptop I saw a lot of dust, I cleaned it, my fan is still making noise and not like before. I had it

These days the noise started in my fan, it is strange as if something crashed and could not work well, I thought it was something wrong, and when I opened the laptop I saw a lot of dust, I cleaned it, my fan is still making noise and not like before. I had it

it was my cooler , i dissable now no noise

 

[aa1996s]

Did you try increasing the current limits like I recommended?

It is common for EDP OTHER under the RING column to go red at the exact same time as PL1 or PL2 or THERMAL goes red. In this situation, it is one of the turbo power limits or your CPU temperature that is holding you back.

Open up the Options window and check off, Add Limit Reasons to Log File. Press OK, go out to the main screen and turn on the Log File option. Now go play a game for 15 minutes or half an hour. When done, exit ThrottleStop so it can finalize writing the log file. Go into the ThrottleStop / Logs folder and attach the log file to your next post or copy and paste the log file data to www.pastebin.com or similar so I can have a look. That will make it easier to see if you have a significant throttling problem or not. If you have an Nvidia GPU, make sure to check this off as well in the Options window so your log will include your GPU temperatures.

Many modern gaming laptops are poorly designed. It is not unusual for the CPU cores to run at over 90°C while gaming. How big of an under volt are you using? Are you under volting both the CPU core and CPU cache equally? If you are getting those temperatures while under volting then that confirms bad design. You can pull your laptop apart and redo the thermal paste but that might void your warranty.

Head to Google and type in tongfang unclewebb. This will take you to some forums that discuss laptops that can run at their full rated speed because they have better cooling by design.

Hi, I'm very sorry, I don't understand your conversation much, can you explain something to me? The same thing happens to me and here it says something about power limits, too, bro I told him and I showed him my throttle stop app
Hi, I'm very sorry, I don't understand your conversation much, can you explain something to me? The same thing happens to me and here it says something about power limits, too, bro I told him and I showed him my throttle stop app , thnx you for the suport bro its very important , sometime in game i feel 5 fps in some place lol but in csgo 110 fps - 90 fps- 115-fps-100fps-130fps and till 195 fps

Hi, I'm very sorry, I don't understand your conversation much, can you explain something to me? The same thing happens to me and here it says something about power limits, too, bro I told him and I showed him my throttle stop app
Hi, I'm very sorry, I don't understand your conversation much, can you explain something to me? The same thing happens to me and here it says something about power limits, too, bro I told him and I showed him my throttle stop app , thnx you for the suport bro its very important , sometime in game i feel 5 fps in some place lol but in csgo 110 fps - 90 fps- 115-fps-100fps-130fps and till 195 fps

sorrry too i dnt know to send pictures X) it is laggy wtfxd

Hi, I'm very sorry, I don't understand your conversation much, can you explain something to me? The same thing happens to me and here it says something about power limits, too, bro I told him and I showed him my throttle stop app
Hi, I'm very sorry, I don't understand your conversation much, can you explain something to me? The same thing happens to me and here it says something about power limits, too, bro I told him and I showed him my throttle stop app , thnx you for the suport bro its very important , sometime in game i feel 5 fps in some place lol but in csgo 110 fps - 90 fps- 115-fps-100fps-130fps and till 195 fps

Hi, I'm very sorry, I don't understand your conversation much, can you explain something to me? The same thing happens to me and here it says something about power limits, too, bro I told him and I showed him my throttle stop app
Hi, I'm very sorry, I don't understand your conversation much, can you explain something to me? The same thing happens to me and here it says something about power limits, too, bro I told him and I showed him my throttle stop app , thnx you for the suport bro its very important , sometime in game i feel 5 fps in some place lol but in csgo 110 fps - 90 fps- 115-fps-100fps-130fps and till 195 fps

sorrry too i dnt know to send pictures X) it is laggy wtfxd

great
pictures yes now

Yes. Clean out the dust and if that does not improve your temperatures, replace the thermal paste between the CPU and the heatsink.

it full worked its clean bro llook

 

[unclewebb]

I cannot fix your computer if it is too hot.

In the FIVR window, check this box.

 

[aa1996s]

I appreciate good temperature even, it is counter strike gameglobal ofensive, since it is quite light
, but i dnt know in others games , i ask , if it so high temps hot ?? , i will click disable and lock TPL okey

i thin the temps was on 83 º C becouse i was doing a test with TS can u look this picture bro?

 

[unclewebb]

can u look this picture bro?

What picture? None of the pictures show temperature.

83°C is a good temperature. Do not worry.

 

[aa1996s]

I cannot fix your computer if it is too hot.

In the FIVR window, check this box.

View attachment 190873

I appreciate good temperature even, it is counter strike gameglobal ofensive, since it is quite light
, but i dnt know in others games , i ask , if it so high temps hot ?? , i will click disable and lock TPL okey

i thin the temps was on 83 º C becouse i was doing a test with TS can u look this picture bro?

yes , it is was becouse , i did a test with throttlestop , ( i dont know to send a picture , lol . what can i do next "dissable and lock turbo power limits
?

What picture? None of the pictures show temperature.

83°C is a good temperature. Do not worry.

I cannot fix your computer if it is too hot.

In the FIVR window, check this box.

View attachment 190873yes ,what i do next click disable and lock turbo power limits

@unclewe

I appreciate good temperature even, it is counter strike gameglobal ofensive, since it is quite light
, but i dnt know in others games , i ask , if it so high temps hot ?? , i will click disable and lock TPL okey

i thin the temps was on 83 º C becouse i was doing a test with TS can u look this picture bro?

yes , it is was becouse , i did a test with throttlestop , ( i dont know to send a picture , lol . what can i do next "dissable and lock turbo power limits

can you see this text¿?

 

[manningus]

Hi all,

at first i wanted to say, that i am new to forums and i read a lot of threads about my problem, tried a LOT of settings but nothing helped me.. so after few days of trying i decided to write here
I have DELL Precision 7530 with i7 8750H CPU. I am not expert but i think this laptop got decent cooling system and i also applied Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut.

I compared with many screenshots from ppl on forums and i guess my temperatures are decent, BUT my CPU dont want to work good in games, tests etc.. in most of my settings FID drops to +- 21 in like 5 seconds..
Please could yoy guys look at my screenshots+logs and say, what can be wrong ?

Thanks in advance for any help. Cheers

 

[unclewebb]

DELL Precision

The first problem I see is that you have reversed the turbo power limit values. PL1 is supposed to be the lower number and PL2 the higher number. You have your limits set to 90 60 when they should be PL1=60 and PL2=90.

Why did you reduce your turbo ratio limits? ThrottleStop shows that you have reduced the default values by 2. Your computer is not overheating so I do not see a reason to do this.

When testing, run Cinebench R20. It uses the AVX instructions and is better suited to the newer CPUs.

MAXON Cinebench R20.0 Download

CINEBENCH is a real-world cross platform test suite that evaluates your computer's performance capabilities. CINEBENCH is based on MAXON's award-winn

www.techpowerup.com

When you run a log file, you do not need to use the More Data option. It is OK to do this but it creates a LOT of data for me to look at.
The first few lines of the log shows the problem.

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  BAT_mW  TEMP    VID   POWER
2021-03-09  15:21:00  26.00  100.0  100.0    9508   54   0.8445   25.4   PL1
2021-03-09  15:21:00  25.13  100.0  100.0    9508   54   0.8325   26.6   PL1
2021-03-09  15:21:00  25.00  100.0  100.0    9508   53   0.8285   25.6   PL1

PL1 in the far right column indicates power limit throttling is in progress.

The 8750H has a 45W TDP rating.

Intel® Core™ i7-8750H Processor (9M Cache, up to 4.10 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Core™ i7-8750H Processor (9M Cache, up to 4.10 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

Are you using the Dell power management software? Try switching that to Ultimate Performance.

If this does not solve your problem you might be out of luck. Dell laptops use an EC, embedded controller, which can set the power limits internally to a much lower value compared to what you have set in ThrottleStop. The lowest set of power limits always wins. Hopefully you can find a way to get your 45W CPU above 25W.

The log file shows that your battery is being charged. Maybe when it is fully charged it will stop this excessive power limit throttling. In some laptops the Intel CPU is deliberately power limit throttled whenever the dedicated GPU is active. That kills gaming performance.

 

[manningus]

OH ! The DELL power management.. the thing i completly forgot, thanks a lot ! Now it runs very good in my opinion, only few "red power" issues and frequency drops, but just changing turbo power limits and power paln in Dell PM helped a lot.
Thanks for great tip, in attach new log and screenshots ( without "More data" checked )

Thanks for your time again !

 

[unclewebb]

DELL power management

I was ready to brow beat Dell but then I remembered about their power management settings. Quiet is nice but I like ultimate performance better.

ThrottleStop is not reporting your CPU speed correctly. It might be some antivirus or anti-malware type software that is blocking ThrottleStop from reading the CPU monitoring registers correctly.

Your cooling is OK so you might be able to raise your PL1 limit up to 65W or 70W for maximum performance. I never check the PP0 Power Limit. I would set this to 0, press Apply and then clear the check mark from this option. A setting of 0 should tell the CPU to ignore this setting. If you do not need it, do not use it.

Everything looks good. Enjoy your new and improved laptop.

 

[manningus]

Everything looks good. Enjoy your new and improved laptop.

Thanks again for your advices, all looking good now! And the most imortant thing - i dont have to throw my laptop out of windows.. Have a nice day !

 

[Alberto moran]

I have a problem and it is that I use the intel xtreme tuning program and thecPowerUp. because for some reason it tells me that it is overheating even though the pc is icy and I am trying to remove the error and I cannot .. My pc is a laptop.

 

[manningus]

I have a problem and it is that I use the intel xtreme tuning program and thecPowerUp. because for some reason it tells me that it is overheating even though the pc is icy and I am trying to remove the error and I cannot .. My pc is a laptop.

I am not exspert but you should slide Offset voltage to -125 not +125 like you have.

 

[unclewebb]

it tells me that it is overheating

Your picture does not show that your computer is overheating. It shows Current EDP Limit throttling. That is not too much heat.

In the ThrottleStop TPL window, set Power Limit 4 to 0. Use the new ThrottleStop version and show me a screenshot. Do not use Intel XTU and ThrottleStop at the same time. Use only one of these programs.

ThrottleStop 9.7.2 Download

ThrottleStop is a small application designed to monitor for and correct the three main types of CPU throttling that are being used on many lapto

www.techpowerup.com

It looks like the problem with your computer is you have too many programs running in the background. You only have a 2 core processor. Your computer is going to feel slow. Look in the Task Manager Details tab and find out what is running on your computer in the background. Maybe it is a bad antivirus program.

When you set CPU voltage, you have to adjust both the CPU core and the CPU cache and you never want to use + positive offset voltage. Only use a - negative offset. Your CPU is a low power U series CPU. Set the CPU core offset to -50 mV and set the cache to -50 mV. If you go more than this, your computer might not be stable.

 

[morbvamp]

Hello, I have a Dell XPS 13 9300 and I see on ThrottleStop that there's always a yellow EDP OTHER under the RING column.
I was able to undervolt my CPU Core and Cache and Intel GPU to -75mv.

I'll leave some screenshots showing my config. Is there any other tweak I could apply?

Thanks in advance.

 

[unclewebb]

EDP OTHER under the RING column

This is common and by itself, nothing to worry about. Look for things lighting up red under the CORE column. Red boxes indicate throttling in progress.

You can try setting Power Limit 4 to 0. That is a trick that tells the CPU to ignore this power limit. You can also increase the IccMax values up to 255.75 which is another trick. One of these tricks might make EDP OTHER lighting up yellow go away or it might not make any difference.

Do you have any throttling during normal use? Turn on the Log File option in ThrottleStop so you have a record of your CPU performance while gaming or while doing whatever you do with your laptop. Attach a log to your next post so I can have a look at your CPU performance and if any reasons for throttling are showing up in the log file. Your undervolt appears to be working and your settings all look OK.

 

[morbvamp]

This is common and by itself, nothing to worry about. Look for things lighting up red under the CORE column. Red boxes indicate throttling in progress.

You can try setting Power Limit 4 to 0. That is a trick that tells the CPU to ignore this power limit. You can also increase the IccMax values up to 255.75 which is another trick. One of these tricks might make EDP OTHER lighting up yellow go away or it might not make any difference.

Do you have any throttling during normal use? Turn on the Log File option in ThrottleStop so you have a record of your CPU performance while gaming or while doing whatever you do with your laptop. Attach a log to your next post so I can have a look at your CPU performance and if any reasons for throttling are showing up in the log file. Your undervolt appears to be working and your settings all look OK.

I do have throttling when I play games, and by the way this laptop it's designed, there's nothing I can do to stop this besides lowering the turbo max values. (From 3.9 to a dissapointing 2.3GHz). But on daily work it doesn't throttle, I only see the EDP OTHER under ring that from time to time turns red an then it goes back to yellow in an instant.

When you say that I could try increasing the IccMax values, do you mean only for the CPU Core or should I apply it to the CPU Cache and Intel GPU too?

PS: Sorry for replying so late to this, I've been hella busy with work..

 

[unclewebb]

I would try setting both the core and cache IccMax values to 255.75.

It is your laptop. Do not be afraid to play with any of these values. There is not much you can do if your laptop's cooling is poor.

I set all of the limits sky high so they do not interfere with maximum performance.

 

[Lucas Compasso]

Good evening everyone.

First of all I would like to thank tiowebb for all the effort and dedication, thank you very much. I have a DELL G7 7588 with the following settings:

Machine Dell Inc. - G7 7588
Operation System Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-bit)
Memory 16 GB
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8750H CPU @ 2.20GHz
Motherboard Dell Inc. - 05KXC5
Video Cards NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
Monitors 4XK13?156WF6
Hard Disk WDC WD10SPZX-75Z10T1 (1,0 TB)
Network Card Qualcomm QCA61x4A 802.11ac Wireless Adapter

I've been having several problems regarding the power limit PL1 and PL2, giving a serious bottleneck in the processor, would you like to help me in any way with an orientation?

follow images for better understanding and the LOG file, thank you very much.

 

[unclewebb]

DELL G7 7588

Some Dell laptops use power limit throttling. Your log file shows that sometimes your CPU is being throttled to between 35W and 37W and other times your CPU is throttling at 42W. No one knows why Dell does this. The 80W PL1 power limit that you set in ThrottleStop is being ignored. Dell laptops enforce their own power limits. Your 8750H has a 45W TDP rating but Dell has decided that you do not get to use what you paid for. If you contact Dell to complain, they will probably try to convince you that everything is OK. It is not OK. Other manufacturers do not do this.

There is no way to fix this problem. When running Cinebench, you can try setting the core offset to a much bigger number compared to the cache offset. That will reduce power consumption a little and should improve your Cinebench score. A lot of users have found that -125 mV for the cache offset and -200 mV for the core offset works well. You will still have power limit throttling problems.

Some users with similar throttling problems have deleted the DPTF driver and blocked it from being reinstalled. I am not sure if that will help your laptop problem. Do a Google search for your laptop model. Maybe someone has a solution. I do not.