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Why is everyone so hung up on x700x it's a model number FFS! If the next gen (zen3) APUs will be on the same 5xxx naming scheme it's unlikely they'll be a 5700x, if you want a cheap upgrade just buy a 5800 non X when it's released. It's not like you're getting something different or inferior.
the 3700x is a 65w 8 core. Not an apu.
the 5800x is a105w 8 core.

I would like to see a 65w zen3 8 core... call you as you like but it fills between 5600x and 5800x as it did in 3xxx lineup..
 
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There will definitely be a 65W or even lower TDP 8c/16t CPU, the zen2 APU are starting with 47xxG & so there's a good chance that zen3 APU will be called 57xxG & so a like for like upgrade from 3700x - 5700x is not coming. It's speculation at this point but I'd prefer if AMD doesn't make redundant (or confusing) naming schemes a feature since they already undid part 1 of the previous sh!tshow.
 
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5700x as name for the 3700x successor and 5700g as name for the apu version would not be confusing to me... anyway we will see
 
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I also would like to see a 5700x (65 W / 8 core - 16 thread) released.
That would be a perfect CPU to upgrade my 3700x in a year or two.

And since I'm in no rush to upgrade, if they release one sometime in 2021 that is fine by me. :)
 
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Now tech jesus is reporting that 4x ram sticks gives faster fps than 2x sticks.

Although still doesn't explain LinusTechTips numbers. Their kit is 2x 8GB G.Skill DDR4 (no model mentioned) 3600 Mhz CL 14-15-15-35.

GamersNexus default/stock kits are 4x8GB as mentioned in the video.
 
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Now tech jesus is reporting that 4x ram sticks gives faster fps than 2x sticks.
Although still doesn't explain LinusTechTips numbers. Their kit is 2x 8GB G.Skill DDR4 (no model mentioned) 3600 Mhz CL 14-15-15-35.
GamersNexus default/stock kits are 4x8GB as mentioned in the video.

I wonder if that Trend will continue If/when Threadripper Zen 3 releases.
 

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does anyone know if this ram here is dual rank or single rank?


that is what i own ^


this is what my buddy owns ^


wendell apparently said at end of GN video that 16gb single rank sticks perform best... so I just need to figure out what me and my friend have, 16gb single or dual rank sticks.

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It's normal for dual channel controllers 2*16>4*8. Look for recommendations in motherboard guidelines. There is something like that:

When used 2 dimms you got support for fast RAM. When used 4 dimms speed of RAM is limited by the capabilities of the controller to lower frequencies. This has been around for a long time and is known to all who are interested in the technical details. It's not bad that people who didn't know it before find various videos in which they show the result visually.
 
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im trying to find specific answer to something though

steve in that gn video says single rank 2x16gb performs best of all. video below i timestamped it for you. but other people are telling me only dual rank 16gb exsits, so did steve mess up his wording? im guessing my ram kit i linked 2x16gb is dual rank?

edit timestamp didnt work - its at 23:53

 
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im trying to find specific answer to something though

steve in that gn video says single rank 2x16gb performs best of all. video below i timestamped it for you. but other people are telling me only dual rank 16gb exsits, so did steve mess up his wording? im guessing my ram kit i linked 2x16gb is dual rank?

edit timestamp didnt work - its at 23:53

This is a TPU discussion thread, not a GN thread.
 
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This is a TPU discussion thread, not a GN thread.
Oh come on. Don't start that. Lynx is discussing on the video that is related to Ryzen 5000 series. When I created this thread I envisioned people to discuss TPU review discrepancy by comparing/contrasting with other third party review data. Not for people to shut down discussion based on thread name pedantics.
 

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Now tech jesus is reporting that 4x ram sticks gives faster fps than 2x sticks.

Although still doesn't explain LinusTechTips numbers. Their kit is 2x 8GB G.Skill DDR4 (no model mentioned) 3600 Mhz CL 14-15-15-35.

GamersNexus default/stock kits are 4x8GB as mentioned in the video.
As I pointed out elsewhere, four sticks being faster than two sticks isn't news as such, it just seems to give you even better performance with the 5000-series.
 

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As I pointed out elsewhere, four sticks being faster than two sticks isn't news as such, it just seems to give you even better performance with the 5000-series.


steve/wendell seem to say 2x16gb sticks is faster than 4x8gb sticks though. thats what im trying to understand. i timestamped it above
 

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does anyone know if this ram here is dual rank or single rank?


that is what i own ^


this is what my buddy owns ^


wendell apparently said at end of GN video that 16gb single rank sticks perform best... so I just need to figure out what me and my friend have, 16gb single or dual rank sticks.

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Taiphoon burner will tell you.

It's normal for dual channel controllers 2*16>4*8. Look for recommendations in motherboard guidelines. There is something like that:

When used 2 dimms you got support for fast RAM. When used 4 dimms speed of RAM is limited by the capabilities of the controller to lower frequencies. This has been around for a long time and is known to all who are interested in the technical details. It's not bad that people who didn't know it before find various videos in which they show the result visually.
I would say that ASRocks recommendations are very outdated by now and have been proven to be very conservative.
AMD's memory controller isn't Intel's memory controller and it's being proved time and time again that the "traditional" Intel limitations simply do not apply to AMD.
I've been running four sticks of single rank DIMMs at 3800MHz C16 for about a year now without any issues.

steve/wendell seem to say 2x16gb sticks is faster than 4x8gb sticks though. thats what im trying to understand. i timestamped it above
They also pointed out that single rank 16GB modules are rare. Also don't expect to find any high-speed 16GB single ranked modules.
 
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steve/wendell seem to say 2x16gb sticks is faster than 4x8gb sticks though. thats what im trying to understand. i timestamped it above
Taiphoon burner will tell you.

I would say that ASRocks recommendations are very outdated by now and have been proven to be very conservative.
AMD's memory controller isn't Intel's memory controller and it's being proved time and time again that the "traditional" Intel limitations simply do not apply to AMD.
I've been running four sticks of single rank DIMMs at 3800MHz C16 for about a year now without any issues.

They also pointed out that single rank 16GB modules are rare. Also don't expect to find any high-speed 16GB single ranked modules.

Doesn't this video prove nothing? Steve compared 2 DIMM single rank B-die to 4 DIMM single rank B-die. We already know that 2 DIMM DR is superior to 2 DIMM SR in actual performance, and 2 DIMM SR is all show and no go, great for benching and not much else.

What I would want to see is a comparison of 2DIMM DR (2x16) and 4DIMM SR (4x8); I have a feeling 4x8 might come out on top, if barely, but only in raw speeds at the higher end of frequencies (beyond 1:1).

The only respectable 16GB DIMM currently that *could* be single rank is Micron's new Rev.B, the first 16Gb IC that can actually hold its own against if not beat 8Gb Rev.E.
 

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Doesn't this video prove nothing? Steve compared 2 DIMM single rank B-die to 4 DIMM single rank B-die. We already know that 2 DIMM DR is superior to 2 DIMM SR in actual performance, and 2 DIMM SR is all show and no go, great for benching and not much else.

What I would want to see is a comparison of 2DIMM DR (2x16) and 4DIMM SR (4x8); I have a feeling 4x8 might come out on top, if barely, but only in raw speeds at the higher end of frequencies (beyond 1:1).

The only respectable 16GB DIMM currently that *could* be single rank is Micron's new Rev.B, the first 16Gb IC that can actually hold its own against if not beat 8Gb Rev.E.
Can you find a pair of high performance 16GB DR DIMMs? I did a quick search and the fastest I could find was 2666MHz. Most seem to be ECC DIMMs as well.
I'm sure people would happily test your scenario, if it wasn't for the shortage of such modules.
 
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Yes, all dual rank, not single rank.

Just as a side note, it seems like the continuing tweaks by AMD has improved DRAM latency somewhat, as I'm down by almost 0.5ns.
Yes, in reality it's nothing, but it's consistent and I haven't changed any settings.

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They also pointed out that single rank 16GB modules are rare. Also don't expect to find any high-speed 16GB single ranked modules.

I think Steve actually messed up, I think he meant 16gb dual ranked are the sweet spot and fastest. since single rank 16gb sticks don't even really exist in the gamer consumer markets

mine is dual rank 16gb, so i should see these 10% benefits as well, very very nice. :D very happy with my 5600x now
 
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Buildzoid has explained this awhile ago, 4x 8GB or 2x 16GB RAM configs will perform the same at the same frequency and timing. The 2x16GB config is a sweet spot because it's slightly cheaper and it could work on cheap Daisy Chain motherboard where the memory traces might prevent 4x8GB config to work at high frequency.

Almost all X570 motherboard are Daisy Chain, even the cheap ones.

I wonder if high performance RAM config coupled with PCIe Gen4 might have contributed to the improvement in FPS, whereas we see very little performance gain with PCIe Gen3 GPUs and CPUs (such as 2080Ti and Intel 10th gen).
 
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Now tech jesus is reporting that 4x ram sticks gives faster fps than 2x sticks.

Although still doesn't explain LinusTechTips numbers. Their kit is 2x 8GB G.Skill DDR4 (no model mentioned) 3600 Mhz CL 14-15-15-35.

GamersNexus default/stock kits are 4x8GB as mentioned in the video.

i believe this is because 2x8 gb is single rank and 4x8 gb is dual ranl-

2x16 should be the best option since it is dual rank and with 2 stick only to reach higher frequency/stability

does anyone know if this ram here is dual rank or single rank?


that is what i own ^


this is what my buddy owns ^


wendell apparently said at end of GN video that 16gb single rank sticks perform best... so I just need to figure out what me and my friend have, 16gb single or dual rank sticks.

@R-T-B @TheLostSwede

I am interested on those crucial, can you open CPUZ on SPD page and check the ranks?

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Yes, all dual rank, not single rank.

Just as a side note, it seems like the continuing tweaks by AMD has improved DRAM latency somewhat, as I'm down by almost 0.5ns.
Yes, in reality it's nothing, but it's consistent and I haven't changed any settings.

Interesting findings there. I updated to 1100B BIOS on my Asus the other day, no change. 53-54GB read and copy, 66.9ns at 3733 16-19-19. Maybe it's a Gigabyte thing, or maybe it's a Master thing. It's a nice high end board in terms of memory overclocking, even though it has 4 DIMMs.

In terms of 2x16GB kits, there are a lot of decent DR kits out there. Just G.skill alone has a Trident Neo and a Trident RGB kit, both 2x16 and 16-16-16 B-die at 3600. But those are DUAL rank 8Gb IC kits and nothing new. You can't make 16GB SR with 8Gb ICs like B-die/Rev.E/CJR.

This is the SR kit with 16GB DIMMs I was talking about, using Micron's new 16Gb Rev.B. It's very different from the usual DR B-dies:


Crucial is doing a lot of crazy things with these new 16Gb ICs. BZ claims they're even better than 8Gb Rev.E (a welcome surprise given how horrible every other 16Gb IC has been up till now).
  • SR 16GB sticks (as is normal for a 16Gb IC)
  • DR 32GB sticks (as is normal)
  • but also SR 8GB sticks (where they disable part of each memory chip to make it essentially 8Gb, while retaining superior performance of Rev.B).
Basically, very impressive, but the 16GB DIMMs are SR sticks so unless in 4x16GB kit, they should theoretically suffer like 2x8GB B-die does, making them possible a worse choice for Ryzen than the usual DR 16GB Rev.E sticks (because we can't make use of the excellent frequency scaling of Rev.B).

I can't get my hands on these right now, far too expensive over here. But $150 USD is a very reasonable MSRP.
 
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In terms of 2x16GB kits, there are a lot of decent DR kits out there. Just G.skill alone has a Trident Neo and a Trident RGB kit, both 2x16 and 16-16-16 B-die at 3600. But those are DUAL rank 8Gb IC kits and nothing new. You can't make 16GB SR with 8Gb ICs like B-die/Rev.E/CJR.

I don't really understand much about the single or dual rank RAM. This is maybe a stupid question, but multi-channel is not the same as dual rank right? I was planning to get G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2X16GB 3600Mhz CL16 RAM with my Ryzen 5600X. Will that be alright? I only know that Ryzen prefers fast RAM. I'm currently on 2X8GB 3600Mhz Trident Z and it's fast without any problems (3700X CPU).
 

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I don't really understand much about the single or dual rank RAM. This is maybe a stupid question, but multi-channel is not the same as dual rank right? I was planning to get G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2X16GB 3600Mhz CL16 RAM with my Ryzen 5600X. Will that be alright? I only know that Ryzen prefers fast RAM. I'm currently on 2X8GB 3600Mhz Trident Z and it's fast without any problems (3700X CPU).

There are two 3600CL16 Trident RGBs. One is 16-16-16, one is 16-19-19. If it's the latter, I'd only get it if it's less than $150USD. Both are dual rank.

1 rank per channel (little worse actual performance, better OC at the top end):
  • 2x8GB SR with 8Gb (B-die, CJR, Rev.E)
  • 2x8GB SR with intentionally disabled Rev.B
  • 2x16GB SR with 16Gb Rev.B
2 rank per channel (little better actual performance, lower achievable OC usually beyond 4000):
  • 2x8GB DR with 4Gb (D-die, E-die)
  • 4x4GB SR with 4Gb (D-die, E-die)
  • 2x16GB DR with 8Gb (B-die, CJR, Rev.E)
  • 4x8GB SR with 8Gb (B-die, CJR, Rev.E)
  • 2x32GB DR with 16Gb Rev.B
  • 4x16GB SR with 16Gb Rev.B
I'm guessing you probably have something in the former category right now, and either of the 32GB RGB kits is going to be in the latter.
 
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