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Thrackan said:
Got a point there, can't deny it. I just feel like that the subscription-based MMO business plan is dying altogether, and that this is the reason ToR would fail. UNLESS it brings something completely new and shiny to the play, and not another classic MMO.

I would love to see ToR succeed, cause I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I hope it's much better than what I experienced so far. I just can't justify paying a monthly fee for the 5 hours a week I would be able to play it.
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Sub model isn't dieing, it's just their is very limited room at the top for them. Most people play numerous games, but it's hard to commit to numerous MMO's, $15 a month isn't bad, but $30, $5, or even more if you have a significantly other in the house that plays them it will just double those costs. So the "top dog" will most likely always been sub based, and the only way anything under it can remain alive is by going F2P with Micro Transactions. And yeah if you are going to spend a small amount of time on an MMO it probably won't be worth the cost.
 
1Kurgan1 said:
I don't agree, magic magnetic swords are just as immersion breaking as clipping. It's going to be hard to compare Galaxies to TOR, Galaxies was a different type of MMO, it was an RPers heaven. It had non-combat classes, TOR would be easier compared to WoW. And yes, internet coverage is much larger, and the fact that WoW introduced so many new people to this genre, that the pool of available players out there from that is just much larger than it was before. Which is why the falling subs of WoW times perfectly with the launch of TOR, huge IP, this is the greatest chance any MMO has had a chance to succeed. Subs will move, and where to? Most likely TOR, it will succeed, the numbers say so, you just don't seem to like it and think it will fail based on your opinion of the game. But the numbers are there for it to make it, and make it big.
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I would also argue that the numbers are there to make this the biggest flop in gaming history. Its already the most expensive game ever created, and if people get bored of the same old' WoW-Type gameplay then they just wont play it.

From what I see it hasnt evolved the genre very much. Same game, different skins. Gaming genres are supposed to grow and develop, not maintain the status-quo created from EVERQUEST 15 years ago. What you're saying is just what the EA devs have been saying, and quite frankly I'm not buying it.

At risk of turning this thread back on topic I will save my thoughts for a future- SWTOR thread lol.

Also, nope I havent won my wishlist yet. I hope I do, and I hope Anno 2070 goes on sale this christmas.
 
Ninkobwi said:
I would also argue that the numbers are there to make this the biggest flop in gaming history. Its already the most expensive game ever created, and if people get bored of the same old' WoW-Type gameplay then they just wont play it.
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People have been happy with WoWs status quo since 2004. I enjoyed Vanilla the most, new things were added after, but I never felt the game was the same and been trying to find something else to play since then. Casual players swarmed there and honestly the game hasn't changed in years and no one seems to care, infact, when they finally brought decently difficult 5 mans back, all Blizzard was faced with was a bunch of crying noobs.

But I agree, different time, different thread (there is a SWTOR clubhouse, but the OP hasn't been active in probably over 6 months).
 
Bulletstorm is €5 today on Origin.
 

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1Kurgan1 said:
People have been happy with WoWs status quo since 2004. I enjoyed Vanilla the most, new things were added after, but I never felt the game was the same and been trying to find something else to play since then. Casual players swarmed there and honestly the game hasn't changed in years and no one seems to care, infact, when they finally brought decently difficult 5 mans back, all Blizzard was faced with was a bunch of crying noobs.
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Seems like you contradict yourself a little. You enjoyed Vanilla WoW the most and not the expansions. This leads me to believe that you got a little bored with WoW and the new content didn't increase your interest in the game, and couldn't re-create that original experience.

Now did WoW game play change for the worse over the last several expansions? Or are you just tired of doing the same old thing over and over again? Hey, more content must equal more fun right? Well not if you're still pressing the same buttons that do the same things. This is why its time for MMOs to evolve away from the WoW model, not try to stick to it like SWTOR.
 
Ninkobwi said:
Seems like you contradict yourself a little. You enjoyed Vanilla WoW the most and not the expansions. This leads me to believe that you got a little bored with WoW and the new content didn't increase your interest in the game, and couldn't re-create that original experience.

Now did WoW game play change for the worse over the last several expansions? Or are you just tired of doing the same old thing over and over again? Hey, more content must equal more fun right? Well not if you're still pressing the same buttons that do the same things. This is why its time for MMOs to evolve away from the WoW model, not try to stick to it like SWTOR.
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No contradiction at all. I enjoyed that original experience because it was actually difficult. Not even 1% of guilds on any given server will have downed cthun during vanilla, heck not even every server had him down, I think maybe 10-15 servers did. So you assume wrong, my problem with the game was not on minor gameplay changes (I still found the gameplay fun), it was on difficulty and the rate that content released. And only reason I mention rate was because the content was easy, so it was downed fast and the dev's couldn't keep up with the rate they needed to introduce new content. Instead it should have been less content and more difficult.

So yes pretty the same buttons is just fine, I played AoC for quite a while, and it was fun, but it was also annoying as hell being melee in that game, sometimes I wanted to just relax.
 
My feelings on WoW went both ways. I was an early Beta tester, who went on to subscribe for 4 1/2 years. Eventually, the "daily" grind (pun intended), and repetitive nature wore me down. But what exposed me to be worn down initially, was the change in challenge. They listened too much to the ones crying that they couldn't see the newest top-end raid content with their Strat or Scholo gear. those people needed to be told to take their money elsewhere, but instead, they forced me to. I've not found anything that tied me up like WoW did (altho with Tribes:Ascend in beta, and Skyrim mods coming in a month, that may change), but I'm not going back. It was just too much like work, and not enough work at the same time. I'm willing to grind for cash for the latest enchant because I need it to make a difference in the newest Boss Fight. I'm not willing to spend all day grinding dailies because the newest boss fight is lame, and I'm bored.
 
Magicka is the new Daily Giveaway Deal on Steam! great game for €2,50 :D
 
The Steam Holiday Sale has started!
Start revving up your wallets! :p
 
steam store page seems to be having issues. I'm getting 503 intermittently
 
theJesus said:
steam store page seems to be having issues. I'm getting 503 intermittently
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Great somebody realized this too. I was stoned when this happened and I thought I was just extra high, but I wasn't. I originally wanted to buy Dead Island for 50% off [It was the last day of ''Wishlist Sales.''] I was like cool, let me go check how much money I have left in the bank. After I checked, I went back to Steam and noticed it was now 33% off. Now I was like wait a minute. I don't see any more ''Wishlist Sales,'' just Steams normal homepage with no sale. I refresh it several times and still the same thing. So, I was like damn this is some good weed. But, I knew it wasn't. I opened Internet Explorer and wen to the same URL. After that, it was a comepletely new logo "Holiday Sale till Jan 2.'' type sale. (Like last years.)

Now, all that said. I wanted my Dead Island at 50%, but the Steam team screwed me over and now its 33%?! So, now I am stuck with the 503 Errors, due to Steam Tech probably screwing up their transition of sales, games, etc. Or, they have a shitty servers and they can't control their own bandwidth?

So, which should I get?

Dead Island - 33%
Dues Ex - 33%
 
@alexsubri

I'd go with Deus Ex - I'm not generally a fan of horror/zombie games (except Left4Dead of course).

@theJesus

I'm also getting intermittent 503's. :ohwell:
 
Fable 3, $12. To buy, or not to buy?
 
@alexsubri

I'd wait to see if either of those games aren't getting an extra discount on the daily deals ;)
 
@ Alex

I would go with Dead Island, I own both, and enjoyed it more. Especially once you add in friends. Plus the locations of the game is just gorgeous, I love that engine.

Ninkobwi said:
Fable 3, $12. To buy, or not to buy?
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Too much money for that game, I didn't like the setting of it.
 
+1 for dead island, fun game. I put 111 hours into it according to steam.
 
Serious Sam 3 BFE + Serious Sam HD 1&2 = ~37 bucks?
hmmmmmmm.....
 
Is anybody participating in Steams's Holiday Sale Gift Pile?

I don't own any of the games required to do the current objectives, but I'm thinking about getting one or two because they're cheap ($5 or less). Are any of them actually good?

Currently listed are:
-Orcs Must Die!
Deck the Halls - Complete the Hallway using only the Arrow Wall trap, weapons, and spells

-Bunch of Heroes
Holiday Survivor - Survive up to the 20th wave in Santa's map

-EDGE
Snowblind - Find the six hidden switches in the snow-covered levels in December

-Cargo! The Quest for Gravity
2012 - it’s almost there - The Christmas bell tolls! You have been blessed with a present.

-Anomaly: Warzone Earth
Santa's Challenge - Grab 20 Santa's gifts from missions 2-4 to get yourself a nice prize
 
I just played orcs must die for the first time to get that achievement, seems pretty decent. I know my cousin has beaten it and thought it was solid. I think its worth the 3 bucks. Haven't played or really heard anything about the other ones listed. Also I think we could get a sharing or trading thing going on here with these steam coupons, could really benefit everyone :)
 
pity i dont own any of those games, and with my work schedule (working 2x shifts a day with a gap in between) doesnt leave me shit all time for gaming.
 
ZakkWylde said:
I just played orcs must die for the first time to get that achievement, seems pretty decent. I know my cousin has beaten it and thought it was solid. I think its worth the 3 bucks. Haven't played or really heard anything about the other ones listed. Also I think we could get a sharing or trading thing going on here with these steam coupons, could really benefit everyone :)
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Alright, I'll give it a go. Edge looks good too.

As for trading/sharing coupons, I got a 25% off any valve game coupon for clicking on the gift pile thing lol. I was thinking about giving it away since there aren't valve games I don't already have that I want.
Mussels said:
pity i dont own any of those games, and with my work schedule (working 2x shifts a day with a gap in between) doesnt leave me shit all time for gaming.
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Give me your account creds and I'll play for you :laugh:
 
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