Despite Frank Azor's Dismissal, Whispers of a 32 GB Radeon RX 9070 XTX Resurface

[Rover4444]

You have no reply for the 3050 vs 6600 question and when having to compared the 7700 with the 4060 you talk about DLSS. In my opinion, Nvidia will get a free pass from you no matter what they do.

The 6600 MSRP was so trash that even the 3050 was a better value. Weird how you never mention that, looks like you're giving AMD a free pass. Just goes to show how important a good MSRP is!

If AMD fanboys think like this, AMD will go bankrupt by 1st of March.

Absolutely! I think I speak for ALL AMD fanboys when I say this: we will be providing our AMD GPUs as burnt offerings to the RNG gods so that we may finally win the opportunity to purchase an NVIDIA GPU via the Newegg Shuffle. Thank you, NVIDIA

 

[john_]

The 6600 MSRP was so trash that even the 3050 was a better value. Weird how you never mention that, looks like you're giving AMD a free pass. Just goes to show how important a good MSRP is!

6600 came out in a period where all prices of graphics cards have skyrocketed because of mining. It had about the same MSRP as the 3060 that was the card it was competing and even when compared to the 5700, it was faster and had lower MSRP than the 5700.
6600 is for over two years at around $200. Even if someone hatted the MSRP price, should at least acknowledge that it is the card that was offering the best value until Intel's B570 arrival.

Absolutely! I think I speak for ALL AMD fanboys when I say this: we will be providing our AMD GPUs as burnt offerings to the RNG gods so that we may finally win the opportunity to purchase an NVIDIA GPU via the Newegg Shuffle. Thank you, NVIDIA

You and ALL those AMD fanboys that you know and you represent, should do it. Please burn your PC too. No need to buy another one.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You and ALL those AMD fanboys

Really?

 

[Sir Beregond]

You expect AMD to be competitive and much cheaper in every category. I gave you two examples. One in the $200 range where AMD is better and cheaper and people buy the Nvidia sticker. You didn't say something positive for AMD there. You didn't acknowledge that AMD already did what most people ask from them to do, only to see the public turning their backs to AMD, only to see the public to keep paying the sticker. And RX 6600 is probably the only AMD card that even Nvidia friendly tech press admits that is by far the better options at $200. And the $150 - $300 category, probably represents a big part of the discrete GPU business. And people keep buying the sticker and you have NOTHING possitive to say about AMD here. Only that you have NO COMMENT on why people keep buying the sticker.
Then when talking about 7700 vs 4060, you throw me DLSS as an excuse. Again you will find an excuse to recoment Nvidia.
Well, sorry, but AMD will NEVER be good enough for you and you will keep giving Nvidia a free pass with your wallet. And if you are regurarly critical of Nvidia, it seems that you will be always and probably even 10 times more critical of AMD.

Waiting for Intel to save the GPU market, because from AMD people only expect them to "be cheaper, to force Nvidia to lower prices, so they can buy cheaper Nvidia".


To tell you the truth I love AMD not being the victim anymore of those who consider AMD only as a tool to force Nvidia to lower prices, so they can buy cheaper Nvidia. In 20 years period, these last 5 years where the only years where those moking Radeon as the cheap, low quality secondary option with bad features and bad drivers, that they would never ever consider buying, had to put their hands deeper in their pockets to pay the Nvidia tax. And as long as AMD can use it's wafers from TSMC for more profitable products, being at 10% of the discrete GPU market probably isn't that bad. Maybe when consumers really get angry towards Nvidia and stop giving them free pass with their wallets, maybe then AMD and Intel can really push products in the market. But until that time comes, a x070 product will probably already be at $1000 MSRP, $1200 street price.

Good day.

P.S. AMD gave you Frame Generation, Nvidia didn't.

How's that strategy working for them? There certainly is the crowd that just wants lower Nvidia priced cards, absolutely. Not that long ago AMD CPUs were awful and you only bought Intel. Look how that's changed. Personally I am on record with saying if the 9070 XT isn't stupidly priced, I might go that route for an upgrade.

Frankly I already said a 3050 was a bad card. You apparently ignored that.

I also said yeah the 7700 is a much stronger card. But the MSRP difference wasn't enough to sway the market to AMD.

AMD is the lowest market share they've ever had and they lost that market share during the two gens your example cards are from. So if your question is "why should they"? There's your answer. Are you telling me the margins in gaming hasn't been inflating to stupid levels, especially from Nvidia and there isn't a chance to majorly disrupt and reset that? There is. But so far AMD hasn't been willing to do so, so either they should completely ditch Radeon discrete gaming GPUs altogether and stick to console and APU offerings, or get serious about trying a new strategy to win back market if they actually care about that.

 

[Rover4444]

6600 came out in a period where all prices of graphics cards have skyrocketed because of mining. It had about the same MSRP as the 3060 that was the card it was competing and even when compared to the 5700, it was faster and had lower MSRP than the 5700.
6600 is for over two years at around $200. Even if someone hatted the MSRP price, should at least acknowledge that it is the card that was offering the best value until Intel's B570 arrival.

The 6600 quite literally came out around six months after the 3060 at $50 more and was universally panned at release... what you're saying is that AMD should get a pass for taking advantage of low stock and high retail prices by releasing a card with an extremely high MSRP... and should do the same with their 9070 cards... woah, what a great idea...

Really?

Operative word those...

How's that strategy working for them? There certainly is the crowd that just wants lower Nvidia priced cards, absolutely. Not that long ago AMD CPUs were awful and you only bought Intel. Look how that's changed. Personally I am on record with saying if the 9070 XT isn't stupidly priced, I might go that route for an upgrade.

Frankly I already said a 3050 was a bad card. You apparently ignored that.

I also said yeah the 7700 is a much stronger card. But the MSRP difference wasn't enough to sway the market to AMD.

AMD is the lowest market share they've ever had and they lost that market share during the two gens your example cards are from. So if your question is "why should they"? There's your answer. Are you telling me the margins in gaming hasn't been inflating to stupid levels, especially from Nvidia and there isn't a chance to majorly disrupt and reset that? There is. But so far AMD hasn't been willing to do so, so either they should completely ditch Radeon discrete gaming GPUs altogether and stick to console and APU offerings, or get serious about trying a new strategy to win back market if they actually care about that.

I think he's just addicted to being the underdog, honestly. AMD isn't the small indie company punching upwards from one decade ago, you know?

 

[john_]

Really?

that he knows and represents......

How's that strategy working for them? There certainly is the crowd that just wants lower Nvidia priced cards, absolutely. Not that long ago AMD CPUs were awful and you only bought Intel. Look how that's changed. Personally I am on record with saying if the 9070 XT isn't stupidly priced, I might go that route for an upgrade.

No DLSS.

Frankly I already said a 3050 was a bad card. You apparently ignored that.

No I didn't. On the contrary. You said that it was a bad card, still you didn't gave credit to AMD for offering a better card at even a lower price. That's what I said. You react towards AMD, and you are doing it in this post also, like AMD is over pricing ALL it's offerings. Well, it doesn't and people still prefer the sticker, even when AMD's offerings are better options.

In CPUs AMD managed to win the market because Intel failed miserably. If Intel's manufacturing nodes where working, AMD would be facing the same criticism in CPUs and they would have NEVER have the market share they have today. Because Intel would have been much more competitive. AMD also got lucky with the X3D chips. Without those, AM5 and even AM4 would be looking as much worst options.
Now imagine Nvidia still using Samsung's 8nm process and people being completely against upscaling and Frame Generation. Imagine Nvidia in Intel's position, in other words. AMD's cards would have been much more competitive and AMD's market share in GPUs could be double or even more. With the same cards at the same prices.

I also said yeah the 7700 is a much stronger card. But the MSRP difference wasn't enough to sway the market to AMD.

No, you used the DLSS argument there, to cover up for the performance dissadvantage of the 4060.

AMD is the lowest market share they've ever had and they lost that market share during the two gens your example cards are from. So if your question is "why should they"? There's your answer. Are you telling me the margins in gaming hasn't been inflating to stupid levels, especially from Nvidia and there isn't a chance to majorly disrupt and reset that? There is. But so far AMD hasn't been willing to do so, so either they should completely ditch Radeon discrete gaming GPUs altogether and stick to console and APU offerings, or get serious about trying a new strategy to win back market if they actually care about that.

They are enjoying much higher market share, success and positive comments in other markets. When you have - let's say - 5 markets where you are competing and in 4 of them you are succesful and in the 5th consumers blindly buying the competitor's products, no matter what you do, you might double your efforts to win that market also. That what you expect them to do. But when you have restrictions from how many wafers you can secure from TSMC, you just focus on those 4 markets and I think that's what they chose to do. AMD knows that in the future APUs could secure them higher income while still keeping them in the game of making GPUs. Of course if they start thinking that only iGPUs is enough, they might end up like Intel. Insignifficent and miles behind the competition.

 

[Sir Beregond]

No, you used the DLSS argument there, to cover up for the performance dissadvantage of the 4060.

Believe it or not, graphics cards are a total package of more than just the card itself. As long as the market says "DLSS is way better than FSR", then AMD needs to be more aggressive on price to be a compelling argument.

 

[john_]

The 6600 quite literally came out around six months after the 3060 at $50 more and was universally panned at release... what you're saying is that AMD should get a pass for taking advantage of low stock and high retail prices by releasing a card with an extremely high MSRP... and should do the same with their 9070 cards... woah, what a great idea...

You keep talking about 6000 series MSRPs that happened in the mining era. Most MSRPs then where inflated because street prices had skyrocketed. After the end of that era, 6600 gone down to $200 and remained there as the best value mid range GPU someone could buy. No one gave AMD a free pass back then. But the price where 6600 is selling the last two years is a fact and it is a great price, or at least it was until Intel's B570.
Now, if you don't like reality and you only look at MSRPs when convenient, then Nvidia's fake MSRPs for the 5000 series are made especially for people like you.

I think he's just addicted to being the underdog, honestly.

I think you are addicted in being with the monopoly, honestly. Offers the feeling of personal security, the feeling of being with the top class.

Believe it or not, graphics cards are a total package of more than just the card itself. As long as the market says "DLSS is way better than FSR", then AMD needs to be more aggressive on price to be a compelling argument.

You can follow the narrative and what the press tells you to believe, or just chose what suits you. You think that memory bandwidth and raw power is less important than better upscaling? OK. I don't.

 

[Visible Noise]

You expect AMD to be competitive and much cheaper in every category. I gave you two examples. One in the $200 range where AMD is better and cheaper and people buy the Nvidia sticker. You didn't say something positive for AMD there. You didn't acknowledge that AMD already did what most people ask from them to do, only to see the public turning their backs to AMD, only to see the public to keep paying the sticker. And RX 6600 is probably the only AMD card that even Nvidia friendly tech press admits that is by far the better options at $200. And the $150 - $300 category, probably represents a big part of the discrete GPU business. And people keep buying the sticker and you have NOTHING possitive to say about AMD here. Only that you have NO COMMENT on why people keep buying the sticker.
Then when talking about 7700 vs 4060, you throw me DLSS as an excuse. Again you will find an excuse to recoment Nvidia.
Well, sorry, but AMD will NEVER be good enough for you and you will keep giving Nvidia a free pass with your wallet. And if you are regurarly critical of Nvidia, it seems that you will be always and probably even 10 times more critical of AMD.

Waiting for Intel to save the GPU market, because from AMD people only expect them to "be cheaper, to force Nvidia to lower prices, so they can buy cheaper Nvidia".


To tell you the truth I love AMD not being the victim anymore of those who consider AMD only as a tool to force Nvidia to lower prices, so they can buy cheaper Nvidia. In 20 years period, these last 5 years where the only years where those moking Radeon as the cheap, low quality secondary option with bad features and bad drivers, that they would never ever consider buying, had to put their hands deeper in their pockets to pay the Nvidia tax. And as long as AMD can use it's wafers from TSMC for more profitable products, being at 10% of the discrete GPU market probably isn't that bad. Maybe when consumers really get angry towards Nvidia and stop giving them free pass with their wallets, maybe then AMD and Intel can really push products in the market. But until that time comes, a x070 product will probably already be at $1000 MSRP, $1200 street price.

Good day.

P.S. AMD gave you Frame Generation, Nvidia didn't.

Someone is butthurt.

Yes, Radeon needs to be cheaper and better than Nvidia in every category to win back market share. If they keep doing what they have been doing for the last decade you can expect Nvidia to have 95% market share in a couple of years.

 

[Hecate91]

How's that strategy working for them? There certainly is the crowd that just wants lower Nvidia priced cards, absolutely. Not that long ago AMD CPUs were awful and you only bought Intel. Look how that's changed. Personally I am on record with saying if the 9070 XT isn't stupidly priced, I might go that route for an upgrade.

Frankly I already said a 3050 was a bad card. You apparently ignored that.

I also said yeah the 7700 is a much stronger card. But the MSRP difference wasn't enough to sway the market to AMD.

AMD is the lowest market share they've ever had and they lost that market share during the two gens your example cards are from. So if your question is "why should they"? There's your answer. Are you telling me the margins in gaming hasn't been inflating to stupid levels, especially from Nvidia and there isn't a chance to majorly disrupt and reset that? There is. But so far AMD hasn't been willing to do so, so either they should completely ditch Radeon discrete gaming GPUs altogether and stick to console and APU offerings, or get serious about trying a new strategy to win back market if they actually care about that.

The Ryzen strategy of providing better value at a lower price doesn't work as Nvidia has feature lock-in and the tech press to defend them for the proprietary features.
As for market share, it isn't everything, all AMD needs to do is not follow nvidia and stupidly price their cards, although no matter what AMD prices their cards at I expect reviewers to say it's still too expensive because it doesn't have DLSS, while Nvidia has gotten a pass for fake MSRP's and nearly no improvement over last gen on the 50 series cards.
AMD was competitive with the RX6000 and 7000 series cards, everyone still paid more for the Nvidia card, even though the Nvidia cards below xx80 are obvious planned obsolescence with just enough VRAM until the next card gets launched.
I think it would make sense for AMD to drop dGPU's and go all in on APU's and SOC's, if they can scale up on an SOC like Strix Halo and provide midrange GPU performance on desktop that would gain them some marketshare.

I think he's just addicted to being the underdog, honestly. AMD isn't the small indie company punching upwards from one decade ago, you know?

Too many people are addicted to blindly supporting a near monopoly, I think a lot of it is a superiority complex, and the halo product effect of someone only being able to afford an xx60 card thinking they're getting a better card because their favorite content creator has an xx90 card.
Compared to a multi-trillion dollar corporation, AMD is a small indie company that has to punch upwards while Nvidia keeps punching them in the gut.