[EOL] Arctic MX-5 is here!!Tests incoming! Completed. Now its MX-6 testing time!

[lexluthermiester]

Sorry for too much information, but maybe this will help you guide me bit better, maybe not...

As earlier mentioned, laptop G513QY from asus, I currently use Gelid GC Extreme and I want try improve temps, would SYY be a good choice to replace gelid gc extrene with? I bought SYY should arrive in 2 weeks to me from US. As backup also bought with SYY, tube of Iceberg Thermal Plus. I really need an opinion here, my laptop barely 2 months old and I had paid computer lab and re-pasted like 7 times already (5-6 myself, trying diff pasting, wasting pastes... like idiot), this time I want make sure I use the right thing so I dont need waste time and money again for next 1-2 years with another repasting. SYY is really going to be better choice and work well? or should I use ICEBERG OR (redo again with) GC Extreme again?

Further on the story, 3 weeks ago I repasted myself using GC Extreme, and dropped temps a bit, as gpu hotspot no longer went 103c and maxed around 95-97c.... then 2 weeks ago i decided take my gc extreme to professional laptops lab, pay them to repaste, see maybe they do better job than me, NO - Now extra few temps on CPU/GPU... so I wait for SYY and iceberg arrive in 2 weeks from US and planning do the best job I can this time so it last for 1-2 years before I need think about repasting again...

Additionally, this time with SYY I am planning also to use washers to improve the mount pressure, similar to how this guy did:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUSROG/comments/qz5snd
So bottom line:
GC Extreme (try again, this time with washers?)
SYY (with or without washers?)
ICEBERG Thermal Plus (with/without washers?)
ThermalRight KingSilver LM (I still have left, dont want use LM, i also removed the LM barriers on both dies...as I dont plan use LM on this laptop again)

I was reading that SYY good for laptops and almost par with TFX, which is why I bought SYY and not TFX..... I live outside US and it takes 2-3 weeks for each order to arrive. Hence why I wait for SYY and Iceberg... I do have some GC Extreme left in extra tube as I bought 3 of them initially thinking I might screw up and need backup (which is what happened lol with me and lab etc..).

Please dont slap me for all this repasting saga, I was bit overwhelmed fixing the temps... fact to mention, stock from ASUS was LM and damn, temps were high, 101-102c gpu hotspot and cpu was around similar highs, when I tried repaste with new LM from ThermalRight LM didn't work well again, 103c hotspot gpu.... then I switched to GC Extreme (my own pasting before going to lab) and hotspot of gpu could be dropped to 95-97c peak zone, so better...than lab pasting (i suspect he didnt put enough or something, or maybe left some little bumps ..not sure) and hotspot gpu temps as high as 99c and cpu throttling at 95-96.5c.

Thanks!

SYY is a good performer. You'll have a good experience with it. I'm not what effect(if any) using washers to increase mounting pressure will have. You shouldn't really need to do so in a laptop.

The reality is that you should be able to spread the SYY across the die and the heatsink and get good heat conduction. How much cooling effect that grants will depend greatly on the heatsink & fans being employed to cool the system. If the system is efficient and works well, then SYY will make it all the better. If it's not, SYY will still improve the situation but you will still have high temps.

You stated earlier that you have the following system;

ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition | Laptops | ROG Global

rog.asus.com

ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition G513 | 2021 ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition | Gaming Laptops｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

rog.asus.com

That system is suppose to have solid cooling so the SYY TIM should be of benefit. You may need to adjust up the fan speed in the UEFI profile to avoid high temp hot-spots, but you should be able to get the desired affect of lowering over-all temps.

 

[ryzenmaster]

SYY is a good performer. You'll have a good experience with it. I'm not what effect(if any) using washers to increase mounting pressure will have. You shouldn't really need to do so in a laptop.

The reality is that you should be able to spread the SYY across the die and the heatsink and get good heat conduction. How much cooling effect that grants will depend greatly on the heatsink & fans being employed to cool the system. If the system is efficient and works well, then SYY will make it all the better. If it's not, SYY will still improve the situation but you will still have high temps.

You stated earlier that you have the following system;

ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition | Laptops | ROG Global

rog.asus.com

ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition G513 | 2021 ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition | Gaming Laptops｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

rog.asus.com

That system is suppose to have solid cooling so the SYY TIM should be of benefit. You may need to adjust up the fan speed in the UEFI profile to avoid high temp hot-spots, but you should be able to get the desired affect of lowering over-all temps.

So SYY will improve against GC Extreme, and better than ICEBERG Thermal Plus option, correct? if so, thats good to hear.
Fans already set here to kick 100% so my temps are mentioned with fans around 7000 RPM.... its their 100% (6900 RPM).

Good photos of motherboard/chamber can be found here:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1467559682378244102

P.S. Also bought 89$ GT500 cooling pad, to ensure external cooling is best possible, should arrive from US in approx a week, so this will accommodate the good pasting.

 

[Bride]

here we are!
another quick comparison between

Arctic MX-5 and DHAS-15



8086K at 5.3GHz and 1.48v (I know already is too high)
water-cooling loop
PC case open
room temp 20 degrees

Cinebench >20 minutes

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Arctic MX-5









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DHAS-15









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CPU Package Temperature

Arctic MX-5 ... min 31 avg 78 max 86

DHAS-15 ........ min 30 avg 80 max 86


There are problems about sensors with this Aourus z370 so in the last HWInfo screenshot vcore value is missing.

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CONCLUSIONS

About viscosity, for sure MX-5 is more sticky and difficult to apply on the CPU's surface.
About thermals, MX-5 looks a little better than DHAS-15.
About durability, probably due the viscosity, MX-5 can be replaced less frequently than DHAS-15, but it depends from a lot of factors as for example the cooling system and ambient temps.
About retail price, I paid 8g of MX-5 around 79 yuan (12.40USD) and 8g of DHAS-15 around 50 yuan (7.80USD)

I like to overclock and modify CPUs and GPUs, so ideally speaking I would like to have the best thermal paste on the market (not considering liquid metal solutions), but I also love to find good compromises quality price ratio. So, in this particular case, the price difference is not so relevant if we consider the results, but looking in the long term, probably MX-5 looks a good deal.


See you guys
Bride

 

[ryzenmaster]

here we are!
another quick comparison between

Arctic MX-5 and DHAS-15

View attachment 227939

8086K at 5.3GHz and 1.48v (I know already is too high)
water-cooling loop
PC case open
room temp 20 degrees

Cinebench >20 minutes

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Arctic MX-5

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DHAS-15

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CPU Package Temperature

Arctic MX-5 ... min 31 avg 78 max 86

DHAS-15 ........ min 30 avg 80 max 86


There are problems about sensors with this Aourus z370 so in the last HWInfo screenshot vcore value is missing.

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CONCLUSIONS

About viscosity, for sure MX-5 is more sticky and difficult to apply on the CPU's surface.
About thermals, MX-5 looks a little better than DHAS-15.
About durability, probably due the viscosity, MX-5 can be replaced less frequently than DHAS-15, but it depends from a lot of factors as for example the cooling system and ambient temps.
About retail price, I paid 8g of MX-5 around 79 yuan (12.40USD) and 8g of DHAS-15 around 50 yuan (7.80USD)

I like to overclock and modify CPUs and GPUs, so ideally speaking I would like to have the best thermal paste on the market (not considering liquid metal solutions), but I also love to find good compromises quality price ratio. So, in this particular case, the price difference is not so relevant if we consider the results, but looking in the long term, probably MX-5 looks a good deal.


See you guys
Bride

Would love to see SYY vs TFX/GC Extreme/MX5/IceBerg Thermal Plus

 

[AusWolf]

I ordered some with my new AIO watercooler about 2 weeks ago.

First impressions: not good.

Positive:
+ Heat transfer is great, as it has been for years with my beloved MX-4.
Negative:
- It's too sticky to apply, sort of like chewing gum. A 2-second blob with the MX-4 is more like a 2-minute struggle with the MX-5.
Extra negative:
-- The tube I've got was sort of separated. At first try, some transparent watery stuff came out, so I had to clean my CPU again, and waste half of the tube on a paper towel to get to the proper stuff. For a new product that's rated for 8 years, this is just plain unacceptable.

All in all, this gooey blue chewing gum sticks to anything and everything, but I'll stick to the MX-4 in the future.

 

[Mussels]

I ordered some with my new AIO watercooler about 2 weeks ago.

First impressions: not good.

Positive:
+ Heat transfer is great, as it has been for years with my beloved MX-4.
Negative:
- It's too sticky to apply, sort of like chewing gum. A 2-second blob with the MX-4 is more like a 2-minute struggle with the MX-5.
Extra negative:
-- The tube I've got was sort of separated. At first try, some transparent watery stuff came out, so I had to clean my CPU again, and waste half of the tube on a paper towel to get to the proper stuff. For a new product that's rated for 8 years, this is just plain unacceptable.

All in all, this gooey blue chewing gum sticks to anything and everything, but I'll stick to the MX-4 in the future.

Did you confirm yours wasnt a fake? That seperation should not have happened with a product so new

 

[AusWolf]

Did you confirm yours wasnt a fake? That seperation should not have happened with a product so new

That's what I thought too.

I ordered it from one of the UK's largest stores (scan.co.uk). Is there another way I can know it's not fake? I may have got a faulty batch, but still...

 

[Bride]

I ordered some with my new AIO watercooler about 2 weeks ago.

First impressions: not good.

Positive:
+ Heat transfer is great, as it has been for years with my beloved MX-4.
Negative:
- It's too sticky to apply, sort of like chewing gum. A 2-second blob with the MX-4 is more like a 2-minute struggle with the MX-5.
Extra negative:
-- The tube I've got was sort of separated. At first try, some transparent watery stuff came out, so I had to clean my CPU again, and waste half of the tube on a paper towel to get to the proper stuff. For a new product that's rated for 8 years, this is just plain unacceptable.

All in all, this gooey blue chewing gum sticks to anything and everything, but I'll stick to the MX-4 in the future.

exactly the same experience. I bought it from the official Arctic online store in China. So it should be not a fake in my case. I even tried all the QR codes and looks ok.

 

[Bride]

Would love to see SYY vs TFX/GC Extreme/MX5/IceBerg Thermal Plus

I have a syringe of GC Extreme, I could try in the next days. Whatever I am not impressed by this product, expensive respect the competitors, with same performances

 

[lexluthermiester]

here we are!
another quick comparison between

Arctic MX-5 and DHAS-15

View attachment 227939

8086K at 5.3GHz and 1.48v (I know already is too high)
water-cooling loop
PC case open
room temp 20 degrees

Cinebench >20 minutes

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Arctic MX-5

View attachment 227943

View attachment 227942

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DHAS-15

View attachment 227941

View attachment 227940

View attachment 227946

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CPU Package Temperature

Arctic MX-5 ... min 31 avg 78 max 86

DHAS-15 ........ min 30 avg 80 max 86


There are problems about sensors with this Aourus z370 so in the last HWInfo screenshot vcore value is missing.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CONCLUSIONS

About viscosity, for sure MX-5 is more sticky and difficult to apply on the CPU's surface.
About thermals, MX-5 looks a little better than DHAS-15.
About durability, probably due the viscosity, MX-5 can be replaced less frequently than DHAS-15, but it depends from a lot of factors as for example the cooling system and ambient temps.
About retail price, I paid 8g of MX-5 around 79 yuan (12.40USD) and 8g of DHAS-15 around 50 yuan (7.80USD)

I like to overclock and modify CPUs and GPUs, so ideally speaking I would like to have the best thermal paste on the market (not considering liquid metal solutions), but I also love to find good compromises quality price ratio. So, in this particular case, the price difference is not so relevant if we consider the results, but looking in the long term, probably MX-5 looks a good deal.


See you guys
Bride

Nice level of detail! I've got to say, that DHAS15 looks like a solid performer. MX-5 beat it out but not by much. And that price, good value there!

 

[ryzenmaster]

SYY better than MX5 (for laptops) right ?

 

[lexluthermiester]

SYY better than MX5 (for laptops) right ?

Most benchmarks show SYY and MX-5 trading blows. You'll be happy with it.

 

[Shrek]

All in all, this gooey blue chewing gum sticks to anything and everything

I'm wondering if that is actually a good thing (for longevity) and might suggest an application technique that uses blobs and not spreading.

 

[ryzenmaster]

Most benchmarks show SYY and MX-5 trading blows. You'll be happy with it.

How SYY longevity lets say compared go gelid gc?

BTW, warming the tube in boil water before I squeeze it to apply, right?

Boiling the paste / warming it, won't damage it or make it more pumpout-able?

 

[lexluthermiester]

How SYY longevity lets say compared go gelid gc?

No solid data on that one. However, the chemistry of most TIMs lends to long-term viability. Example, once applied a TIM will last for years without any need for replacement.

 

[ryzenmaster]

No solid data on that one. However, the chemistry of most TIMs lends to long-term viability. Example, once applied a TIM will last for years without any need for replacement.

Next doubt..

Warming the tube in boil water before I squeeze it to apply, right?

Boiling the paste / warming it, won't damage it or make it more pumpout-able?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Boiling the paste / warming it, won't damage it or make it more pumpout-able?

No. Warming it up will do nothing that it will not experience while applied to the CPU. It'll be fine.

 

[ryzenmaster]

No. Warming it up will do nothing that it will not experience while applied to the CPU. It'll be fine.

So prepare boiling water, put the tube inside for how long before use?

 

[freeagent]

SYY is thicker, but you don’t need to boil it. It’s not like you are trying to squeeze out cheese

It’s spreads nicely imo. You should spread it yourself rather than let the mating action do the spreading for you

Edit:

And there is such a thing as too much, so you might have to mount up a couple of times to get a feel for it..

 

[ryzenmaster]

SYY is thicker, but you don’t need to boil it. It’s not like you are trying to squeeze out cheese

It’s spreads nicely imo. You should spread it yourself rather than let the mating action do the spreading for you

Edit:

And there is such a thing as too much, so you might have to mount up a couple of times to get a feel for it..

Good to hear that spreads nicely, I read multiple comments online that SYY fits laptops well too, but one guy on reddit said he was unlucky on his GE66 laptop SYY pumped out he had to change to TFX. Maybe SYY didn't fit his cooler or he got defective from factory SYY or maybe something else like didn't clean old paste good enough?

My laptop is ASUS G513QY AE.

Now there is too much, there is too less.... to be on safe side, can I make thin layer on dies and thin layer on chamber side and add little DOT in middle of each?

Also,

I think to use these type of custom washer (i could not find better washers locally here), what you say about this washer to tighten up the mount pressure:

http://imgur.com/gPJrXgj

Basically I grab the idea from this guy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUSROG/comments/qz5snd

 

[AusWolf]

I'm wondering if that is actually a good thing (for longevity) and might suggest an application technique that uses blobs and not spreading.

I've never spread my thermal paste - the blob method has worked since the beginning of history just fine. Although, I can't seem to put a proper blob on the CPU with this sticky thing. It somehow seems to stick to the syringe more than it sticks to the CPU.

 

[Shrek]

Interesting... I wonder if Teflon syringe tips exist.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I've never spread my thermal paste - the blob method has worked since the beginning of history just fine. Although, I can't seem to put a proper blob on the CPU with this sticky thing. It somehow seems to stick to the syringe more than it sticks to the CPU.

One thing I like about the spread method is that you're not guessing at the amount needed to reach the entire IHS surface (assuming you have an IHS). However, I still usually blob because it takes less time and can take less paste.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So prepare boiling water, put the tube inside for how long before use?

Not boiling water. Just get a bowl of hot water from the faucet and let the TIM sit in the water for a few minutes to warm it up. No need for extremes.

 

[freeagent]

Now there is too much, there is too less.... to be on safe side, can I make thin layer on dies and thin layer on chamber side and add little DOT in middle of each?

I wouldn't..