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Generic AHCI drivers tend to show up under ATAPI and not storage controllers, so I would say we've found a potential culprit.

You'll want to update the AHCI driver under the ATAPI section with the following driver:
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/do...Te-AHCI-SCU-Software-RAID-driver-for-Windows-

These are the latest RSTe and AHCI drivers for C600-series chipsets (and coincidentally also for X79 which is practically a C600-series chipset as well.) You should extract the zip file and install the driver in that the following location within the extracted directory:
Drivers/x64/Win8_10_2k8R2_2K12/AHCI

You'll need to update the driver by right clicking on the AHCI driver in the device manager to update it, this package doesn't have a GUI driver installer. In that window you'll want to select the option to browse your computer for driver software, then use the directory I mentioned earlier in the next area where you can select where to search for the driver. Windows at this point should be smart enough to automatically grab the AHCI driver for you and install it. If not, I can direct you to which INF file in particular needs to be installed.

Simply put, all 3 storage controllers on my machine show up under the ATAPI section when it's using generic drivers and half of the time it does some pretty weird stuff, such as thinking that my 500GB drive is detachable storage. Installing the actual drivers will not just resolve that problem but, will move the device to the proper section in device manager.

Either way, I suspect switching to Intel managed AHCI drivers could make a pretty big difference. Generic drivers never give me the performance out of my drives that I should be getting, even on Windows 10.
 
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I feel like OP is throwing money into a fire pit
 
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Generic AHCI drivers tend to show up under ATAPI and not storage controllers, so I would say we've found a potential culprit.

You'll want to update the AHCI driver under the ATAPI section with the following driver:
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/do...Te-AHCI-SCU-Software-RAID-driver-for-Windows-

These are the latest RSTe and AHCI drivers for C600-series chipsets (and coincidentally also for X79 which is practically a C600-series chipset as well.) You should extract the zip file and install the driver in that the following location within the extracted directory:
Drivers/x64/Win8_10_2k8R2_2K12/AHCI

You'll need to update the driver by right clicking on the AHCI driver in the device manager to update it, this package doesn't have a GUI driver installer. In that window you'll want to select the option to browse your computer for driver software, then use the directory I mentioned earlier in the next area where you can select where to search for the driver. Windows at this point should be smart enough to automatically grab the AHCI driver for you and install it. If not, I can direct you to which INF file in particular needs to be installed.

Simply put, all 3 storage controllers on my machine show up under the ATAPI section when it's using generic drivers and half of the time it does some pretty weird stuff, such as thinking that my 500GB drive is detachable storage. Installing the actual drivers will not just resolve that problem but, will move the device to the proper section in device manager.

Either way, I suspect switching to Intel managed AHCI drivers could make a pretty big difference. Generic drivers never give me the performance out of my drives that I should be getting, even on Windows 10.
Wait a sec, it says I already have the latest driver.
ps: nevermind, I installed 86 instead of 64, it occurred to me to be compatible but it wasnt.

I feel like OP is throwing money into a fire pit

If you consider repairing a "throwing money into a fire pit" then be my guest.

Generic AHCI drivers tend to show up under ATAPI and not storage controllers, so I would say we've found a potential culprit.

You'll want to update the AHCI driver under the ATAPI section with the following driver:
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/do...Te-AHCI-SCU-Software-RAID-driver-for-Windows-

These are the latest RSTe and AHCI drivers for C600-series chipsets (and coincidentally also for X79 which is practically a C600-series chipset as well.) You should extract the zip file and install the driver in that the following location within the extracted directory:
Drivers/x64/Win8_10_2k8R2_2K12/AHCI

You'll need to update the driver by right clicking on the AHCI driver in the device manager to update it, this package doesn't have a GUI driver installer. In that window you'll want to select the option to browse your computer for driver software, then use the directory I mentioned earlier in the next area where you can select where to search for the driver. Windows at this point should be smart enough to automatically grab the AHCI driver for you and install it. If not, I can direct you to which INF file in particular needs to be installed.

Simply put, all 3 storage controllers on my machine show up under the ATAPI section when it's using generic drivers and half of the time it does some pretty weird stuff, such as thinking that my 500GB drive is detachable storage. Installing the actual drivers will not just resolve that problem but, will move the device to the proper section in device manager.

Either way, I suspect switching to Intel managed AHCI drivers could make a pretty big difference. Generic drivers never give me the performance out of my drives that I should be getting, even on Windows 10.
Thanks for than, so the atapi device category , is there anything else that could cause issues in there?

On latencymon I get high measurements of hard pagefaults but not of dpc latency.
 

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@TwinDenis please learn the nuances of the multi-quote or the edit button. It is getting tiresome merging your double and triple postings.
 
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Wait a sec, it says I already have the latest driver.
ps: nevermind, I installed 86 instead of 64, it occurred to me to be compatible but it wasnt.



If you consider repairing a "throwing money into a fire pit" then be my guest.


Thanks for than, so the atapi device category , is there anything else that could cause issues in there?

On latencymon I get high measurements of hard pagefaults but not of dpc latency.
Have you tried to see if LoL is still stuttering after installing the newer AHCI driver? Does PassMark still BSOD?
Regular RAM timing list ends with CR 2T for me.

Tried this?
This isn't a bad thing to consider. Not all DRAM can handle 1T command rates with issue. I've had several sticks where 1T simply was unstable. The ECC memory might not take kindly to more aggressive timings either, so it might not be a bad idea.
 
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Have you tried to see if LoL is still stuttering after installing the newer AHCI driver? Does PassMark still BSOD?
Unfortunately yes on both, it does get pagefault and I still have get the choppy fps. At least the pagefaults specifically on latencymon are going red slower than before (before it was kinda like skyrocket up to red pagefault count) now its more than half the time for it to go all the way up.
About the fps issues, I kinda tried playing around with adaptive vsync and such settings, even got nvidia inspector to do more detailed editing, but did not figure out the fix, lets see heroes of the storm as an example since its the most extreme form of this effect, butter smooth fps early on, but when things going on, I get stutter, adaptive vsync did not work, and got choppy framerates even with it off. When I have it off it gets the addiction of screeen tearing which is also not presented at first but gets messed up mid-game.
Odd, The graphics without this effect, at the start of each game looks pretty nice and the animations are beautyful but when this occurs and starts being constantly there, they look choppy kinda like playing with less than 30fps. While the fps counter snaps at 59-60.
ps: I did a clean install of my gpu drivers in safemode, using DDU and the latest nvidia drivers, hopefully adaptive vsync will work, but I cant say the same for the games.
I got rid of the screen tearing, not by the choppy framerates.

Regular RAM timing list ends with CR 2T for me.

Tried this?
What do you mean?
How to do that?
 
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What do you mean?
How to do that?

This is advanced user stuff. Go into BIOS/UEFI BIOS and find your DRAM timings list. It will likely be set to AUTO right now, put it on manual and change the (CR) number from 1T to 2T. All other clocks stay the same. Note that you can (still) use XMP, but it may also be interesting to keep it off (it should always work without, so for the sake of proper testing start with XMP at same setting as it was before, you can however see if this has influence later on)

Worst that will happen is system won't boot, best case scenario it solves your issue with RAM. If the first happens, you can reset CMOS (all power off, remove the small battery on your motherboard for a while, or use a jumper) to get back to factory settings. It is very unlikely to hurt performance all too much so there is no harm trying. It can be very useful to have a speaker installed on your motherboard so you can hear the beep codes, they can also point to RAM issues.

Having quickly skimmed through this thread (14 pages...) I see your general focus is on game performance and I see you fiddling a lot with software settings. Maybe I can cut short the general process by saying that game performance on regular settings (ie, installing recent driver, having chipset drivers up to date and correct BIOS setup) should just work fine - that is, a fixed sequence in a game should always perform the same. Make yourself a rigid testing routine; ie a single benchmark run of Heaven, or a fixed first campaign level from any demanding game (one that gives 99% gpu utilization) and keep running that instead of testing all sorts of games. This way you can find more quickly whether changes you made are effective.

I would stay clear of anything but factory settings and stock clocks and go from there; don't fiddle around in the drivers either, just let the driver find settings for you. Then from that basis, make changes to the system on a lower level (for example the RAM timings). I wouldn't waste your time with subtleties such as Vsync on or off - it either all works properly, or it doesn't. Some of these settings can also mask or hide the problem instead of solving it, which doesn't help you either.
 
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This is advanced user stuff. Go into BIOS/UEFI BIOS and find your DRAM timings list. It will likely be set to AUTO right now, put it on manual and change the (CR) number from 1T to 2T. All other clocks stay the same. Note that you can (still) use XMP, but it may also be interesting to keep it off (it should always work without, so for the sake of proper testing start with XMP at same setting as it was before, you can however see if this has influence later on)

Worst that will happen is system won't boot, best case scenario it solves your issue with RAM. If the first happens, you can reset CMOS (all power off, remove the small battery on your motherboard for a while, or use a jumper) to get back to factory settings. It is very unlikely to hurt performance all too much so there is no harm trying. It can be very useful to have a speaker installed on your motherboard so you can hear the beep codes, they can also point to RAM issues.

Having quickly skimmed through this thread (14 pages...) I see your general focus is on game performance and I see you fiddling a lot with software settings. Maybe I can cut short the general process by saying that game performance on regular settings (ie, installing recent driver, having chipset drivers up to date and correct BIOS setup) should just work fine - that is, a fixed sequence in a game should always perform the same. Make yourself a rigid testing routine; ie a single benchmark run of Heaven, or a fixed first campaign level from any demanding game (one that gives 99% gpu utilization) and keep running that instead of testing all sorts of games. This way you can find more quickly whether changes you made are effective.

I would stay clear of anything but factory settings and stock clocks and go from there; don't fiddle around in the drivers either, just let the driver find settings for you. Then from that basis, make changes to the system on a lower level (for example the RAM timings). I wouldn't waste your time with subtleties such as Vsync on or off - it either all works properly, or it doesn't. Some of these settings can also mask or hide the problem instead of solving it, which doesn't help you either.
Okay main problem, I said it before but I cannot configure my ram in my bios, it just has no such option, neither on the intel bios (amt). I know how to reset CMOS by removing the "large watch battery" from the motherboard and pressing the power button to drain the remaining charges and re-place it back in for all passwords and settings to reset.

Oh I had much messing around with vsync settings already, no point in doing so again, I got my gpu drivers fresh reinstalled by removing the previous ones in safemode and getting a clean install of the latest. Pretty much fixed the adaptive vsync setting but not the fps issues, which are not stutter per say, for some people stutters means a hiccup, it is like a mini-lag that scales up by the more action on the screen, but with adaptive it gets fixed. So it is not the same effect, I called it micro-stutter and more of choppy framerates when things happen, and effects show up unexpectedly (meaning some v.effects do not cause the frames to drop and be choppy. That happens on lol, on heroes of the storm it is more severe because it has more things going on, more effects. But still not as much as other games.
 
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Okay main problem, I said it before but I cannot configure my ram in my bios, it just has no such option, neither on the intel bios (amt). I know how to reset CMOS by removing the "large watch battery" from the motherboard and pressing the power button to drain the remaining charges and re-place it back in for all passwords and settings to reset.

Oh I had much messing around with vsync settings already, no point in doing so again, I got my gpu drivers fresh reinstalled by removing the previous ones in safemode and getting a clean install of the latest. Pretty much fixed the adaptive vsync setting but not the fps issues, which are not stutter per say, for some people stutters means a hiccup, it is like a mini-lag that scales up by the more action on the screen, but with adaptive it gets fixed. So it is not the same effect, I called it micro-stutter and more of choppy framerates when things happen, and effects show up unexpectedly (meaning some v.effects do not cause the frames to drop and be choppy. That happens on lol, on heroes of the storm it is more severe because it has more things going on, more effects. But still not as much as other games.

Sounds a lot like a performance bottleneck somewhere, which is very unlikely on the games you mentioned. Adaptive Vsync is 'hiding' your performance issue because what it does essentially is halving your framerate whenever it ducks below 60 fps (it syncs at 30 fps at that point).

Reading more of the thread I see you are also looking at storage. Did you ever get BSOD's that point towards 'faulty SATA cables' or 'storage device removal / cannot write to storage device' and the like? The BSOD error code can tell you this, if that is the case, check SATA cables and continue looking into storage issues. If you have no error codes, any time the system cannot write a minidump, there is likely a storage issue.

Did you ask Dell if they can do something about access to motherboard settings?
Also, did you check whether you have throttling going on? If the framerate degrades over time, this is likely the cause and you need to do something about heat dissipation / cooling. Looking at the T3600 case, that doesn't strike me as High performance or high airflow optimized. Monitor temperatures or if you want to see how effective better cooling would be, pop a desk fan next to an open case and see what happens.
 
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Sounds a lot like a performance bottleneck somewhere, which is very unlikely on the games you mentioned. Adaptive Vsync is 'hiding' your performance issue because what it does essentially is halving your framerate whenever it ducks below 60 fps (it syncs at 30 fps at that point).

Did you ask Dell if they can do something about access to motherboard settings?
Also, did you check whether you have throttling going on? If the framerate degrades over time, this is likely the cause and you need to do something about heat dissipation / cooling. Looking at the T3600 case, that doesn't strike me as High performance or high airflow optimized. Monitor temperatures or if you want to see how effective better cooling would be, pop a desk fan next to an open case and see what happens.
I get acceptable temperatures.
That said, adaptive vsync is not allowing the vsync to lock frames way below the threshold, thus there is no stutter but there is choppy framerates with or without the vsync option. I think I get decent results on the gpu benchmarks as tested above.
So thinking back the dell precision model has 2 modes, active and passive cooling, I have it on active, passive is the classic cool and quite, I used the highest fan speeds while gaming with cpu temps of around 45c even then I had these performance issues. So it is not a temperature problem. I went extreme with the fans to just test it out in one gameplay that gave away the same effect, the only thing that changed really was temperature and noise, too much noise. So I turned it back to auto again which does pretty good job cooling my machine.

Ps: I Cannot change ram timings in the OEM bios or intel bios extension.
 
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Sorry about my ninja edits, I put some new points that aren't in your quote :D

The big nuisance here is not having full system access, most notably BIOS. The changes that could really matter cannot be made :( Looking at that RAM timings list... 107 tRFC also raises my eyebrows. RAM bottlenecking can really cause the in game behaviour you are seeing, as you said: with a lot of sudden activity, you see stutter or massive frame drops, most 'sudden' activity that is not a particle (which is fully GPU accelerated) is an object that moves, spawning of objects, physics calculations... which is at least in part, a CPU task that utilizes your DDR3.

Thinking more about this. I would be extremely interested right now in running a 3DMark 11 Physics test, which leans heavily on DRAM. In addition, monitoring CPU usage in game can further reinforce the idea that RAM is the culprit - if you see CPU bottlenecking, low GPU usage...
 
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Sorry about my ninja edits, I put some new points that aren't in your quote :D

The big nuisance here is not having full system access, most notably BIOS. The changes that could really matter cannot be made :( Looking at that RAM timings list... 107 tRFC also raises my eyebrows. RAM bottlenecking can really cause the in game behaviour you are seeing, as you said: with a lot of sudden activity, you see stutter or massive frame drops, most 'sudden' activity that is not a particle (which is fully GPU accelerated) is an object that moves, spawning of objects, physics calculations... which is at least in part, a CPU task that utilizes your DDR3.

Thinking more about this. I would be extremely interested right now in running a 3DMark 11 Physics test, which leans heavily on DRAM. In addition, monitoring CPU usage in game can further reinforce the idea that RAM is the culprit - if you see CPU bottlenecking, low GPU usage...
Every bit of valuable information you seek is indeed in the past pages, because I have ran 3DMark, yes some of the physics were laggy, some did not, depending really. Some combined tests did better in comparison to the standalone physx test of the same benchmark. I did all 3DMark tests, the last one which is called firestrike was somewhat extreme in the fighting scene, I think this can be measured and it actually was, they made the scenes component specific on purpose. Some had lights some had smoke, pure gpu power, and so on, I had issues on smoke somewhat. In scenes with this type of particle/vfx. Physx as well, depending on the amount of physx participants of course, if it is one object it will not matter much, Cpu usage is normal as you can see in the past pages (skip 1 page and check the 5 back).
I will ninja as well, this specific post to collect the data I have to direct you to the tests and results, so just refresh after 10 minutes from now.
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Check my posts in this page:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...lprit-proves-to-be-a-challenge.219448/page-11
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The key clue here is that all games run butter smooth at the start of the game.
Even on extreme Settings.
If I am not mistaken Power Usage is at a standard depending on the gpu usage which always remains balanced depending on the demands of the game (eg: higher textures=more vram usage). On textures on extreme I spend around less than 2gb vram and I have 4gb available.
So it is logical than even on the lowest of low I get choppy framerates. Even with physx off. Tried making gpu manage Physx as well, and tried turning off all settings on the games that could be turned off. I even get this effect on SC2 sometimes when hovering over new troops. This game is Old though, and not much demanding.

Oh and, I dont have any immediate storage issues, drivers seem okay now.
 
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After several reminders in this thread, the last being post #329 regarding merging or editing posts rather than double and triple posting causing me alone a lot of merging work over the last few days, let alone anyone else and the Op clearly ignoring the requests, if it continues then this thread is closed.
You are clearly not understood and clear of what you mean then.
I did use the function of multi-quoting, whats the issue with that?
If you want to make a request please make it clear and understandable.
> tell me what to do.
How about your network driver? Is that up to date with what Intel has on their site?
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25016/Network-Adapter-Driver-for-Windows-10

I'm just trying to rule out any drivers that could be out of date to at least try and narrow down the memory as the issue. As I said before, that BSOD is what catches my eye because those kinds of errors usually mean either memory or driver issues.
Yes I have those, I answered that 2 or more times, so I bet I have the latest, I think this is the link I was directed to by members and myself sometime in the past.
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You are clearly not understood and clear of what you mean then.
I did use the function of multi-quoting, whats the issue with that?
If you want to make a request please make it clear and understandable.
> tell me what to do.

If you are struggling with multi-quote then do this. Click Edit on your post #341 and then Reply to Aquinus. You can reply to as many people as you want to in one post and delete post #342 before you get your thread closed.
 
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If you are struggling with multi-quote then do this. Click Edit on your post #341 and then Reply to Aquinus. You can reply to as many people as you want to in one post and delete post #342 before you get your thread closed.
but thats what I am doing usually.
I dont get what is the problem of the moderators at least let there be a detailed explanation or something.
Threatening me for that without me knowing what I do wrong is insane.
Can anyone explain how to do this? I am not a moderator or anything how should I know, it is different for each forum, first time getting warned like that.
 

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@TwinDenis
Tatty does not have to understand !!
He tells you the Forum rules regarding Double and multi posting and how not to get posts closed or deleted

And in the Subsquent following post's you ignore what he said ""AND DOUBLE POSTED""
good luck sorting your problem out but i am afraid your post in in serious danger of being locked/deleted
 
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@TwinDenis
Tatty does not have to understand !!
He tells you the Forum rules regarding Double and multi posting and how not to get posts closed or deleted

And in the Subsquent following post's you ignore what he said ""AND DOUBLE POSTED""
good luck sorting your problem out but i am afraid your post in in serious danger of being locked/deleted
Okay so how to do this?
Should I merge posts to one like a pack of 2 posts?
Give me some examples please.
@TwinDenis please learn the nuances of the multi-quote or the edit button. It is getting tiresome merging your double and triple postings.

After several reminders in this thread, the last being post #329 regarding merging or editing posts rather than double and triple posting causing me alone a lot of merging work over the last few days, let alone anyone else and the Op clearly ignoring the requests, if it continues then this thread is closed.

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Okay so after reviewing your requests and searching around, I take you want me to not edit and paste my quotes but instead use the buttons and if I want to add something extra except of editing, to just post again below the post I did?
Is this post an appropriate example of quoting? I really do not understand what you do moderators so I just ask. I did not ignore the first posts, I changed what I did but if I did the thing that I did not know it was causing trouble then okay. Correct me.
 
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An example of merged posts taken from PM's

I said that I did not understand, not that they did not understand, I need an explanation on what is up with the posts.
I did not use the buttons in the following posts as they requested, if they wanted me to actually use them then I already did.
I have my posts like the other members by quoting and answering in succession.
Double posting is when you post reply 223 then before anyone else replys you post again with post 224
tripple posting is when no one has replied any you post again with 225
if you were to click the edit button in post 223 you could add what you posted in 224 and 225
the rare occasion when double posting is generally ignored is if a period of time usually a day has passed and your bumping thread in the hope of resuming interest in the post
PS use of post 223 ...224 and 225 was hyperthectical posts and not actual posts
"AND YOU JUST DOUBLE POSTED AGAIN " in your thread
it will be locked as your showing you do not read/take notice of what has been said/ posted
Simple, because no one explains a thing?
I will just open a new thread whats the deal.
They have to understand that they must be direct, what I get is I need to merge my posts? I did 2 different things and all say that both are wrong, either if I do multiple quote or double post it will be both bad? this is not logical.

check the post again, is this what you want?
it is simply ridiculous getting banned for just posting on a thread.
If the forum is unfriendly towards new members it is non of my problems.

i give up you carry on despite being told with your behavior and when your thread is closed dont complain
if you then open a new thread on same subject that is lightly to be also closed
your behavior is heading towards You getting banned
 

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@TwinDenis

"If the forum is unfriendly towards new members it is non of my problems"

wrong, just wrong, you have recieved an almost uprecedented amount of help, as does any new member. TPU is a very warm and welcoming community.

I really think you should apologize, especially to the mods.
 

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I think members have explained it well enough, the point is TwinDenis, you could have asked if you did not understand when you were told to stop before but just chose to ignore, if you want to quote more than one person, you can do so in just one post by using the multiquote button, if you make a post and 5 minutes later you decide you need to say something else but no one else has posted in between, go to your last post, press edit and add the new/extra content.

You say I gave you a warning without explanation..... did you even look at the "request" you were given at post 329 just a few minutes before and then carried on double posting? Thank you..... I like to keep my cupboards tidy (read threads).

The only reason your posts in this thread look normal is because I have been merging them for a week!

This is a multiquote example.... ONE POST, 2 quotes

but thats what I am doing usually.
I dont get what is the problem of the moderators at least let there be a detailed explanation or something.
Threatening me for that without me knowing what I do wrong is insane.
Can anyone explain how to do this? I am not a moderator or anything how should I know, it is different for each forum, first time getting warned like that.

And you can respond to each individual quote like this

@TwinDenis
Tatty does not have to understand !!
He tells you the Forum rules regarding Double and multi posting and how not to get posts closed or deleted

And in the Subsquent following post's you ignore what he said ""AND DOUBLE POSTED""
good luck sorting your problem out but i am afraid your post in in serious danger of being locked/deleted

And here too.

Whatever you did before was not multiquotes because they came out as separate individual posts.
 
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I think members have explained it well enough, the point is TwinDenis, you could have asked if you did not understand when you were told to stop before but just chose to ignore, if you want to quote more than one person, you can do so in just one post by using the multiquote button, if you make a post and 5 minutes later you decide you need to say something else but no one else has posted in between, go to your last post, press edit and add the new/extra content.

You say I gave you a warning without explanation..... did you even look at the "request" you were given at post 329 just a few minutes before and then carried on double posting? Thank you..... I like to keep my cupboards tidy (read threads).

The only reason your posts in this thread look normal is because I have been merging them for a week!
Okay, you did not understand, as told, I did not understand meaning I did what I thought you meant, I applied something, I did not ignore it. Even if it is not what you wanted me to do.
I did understand that instead of wanting me to post on merged posts, to just post separately, I will consider posting all in one reply from now on, if this is not what you want pm me.
May I edit them and add replies afterwards? Thanks.

@TwinDenis

"If the forum is unfriendly towards new members it is non of my problems"

wrong, just wrong, you have recieved an almost uprecedented amount of help, as does any new member. TPU is a very warm and welcoming community.

I really think you should apologize, especially to the mods.

I did not say anything and should not apologize for this specific statement.
I personally saw into thanking members that kept supporting me, that has nothing to do with the above statement of the other member. To short it, I did not say anything offensive to the community.
ps: I saw a pm(personal message) there, and an "if". I know for a fact that this is not the case.
 

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See edited post above for clarity.
 
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