Global Warming & Climate Change Discussion

[dorsetknob]

Shit run out of popcorn

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Sasqui]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Research_Center#Foundation_and_funding
http://www.desmogblog.com/friedrich-karl-ewert

So totally where politics and science meet. The timing of the article certainly isn't any coincidence

 

[SK-1]

SCIENTISTS ENLIST THE BIG GUN TO GET CLIMATE ACTION: FAITH
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-06-15-15-25
PARIS (AP) -- The cold hard numbers of science haven't spurred the world to curb runaway global warming. So as climate negotiators struggle in Paris, some scientists who appealed to the rational brain are enlisting what many would consider a higher power: the majesty of faith.

It's not God versus science, but followers of God and science together trying to save humanity and the planet, they say.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I hope that isn't directed at the USA. USA was largely formed to get away from "The Church" vis-à-vis "Pope."

I find it very ironic that the most religious are the most conservative and the most conservative are the ones staunchly opposed to any kind of "climage change" related changes. This article seems to be preaching to a choir that left the premises years ago.


And after all of this time, I can't believe they still don't get it. The solutions aren't in broad reaching regulations, recommendations, and laws; the solutions are in technology. USA didn't agree to the Tokyo Protocol but that didn't stop the EPA from increasing requirements which lead to major innovations by the big three auto manufacturers which translates to pretty big reductions in CO2; at the same time, it lead to increased vehicle purchasing costs which the market doesn't seem to mind. Why? Because better fuel economy. When you show someone a Ford Escape from a decade ago getting 24 mpg compared to a Ford Edge today that can hit 35 mpg. That's really all the convincing a lot of people need. Consumers will make the better choice when they directly benefit from it.

Coming back to the article: religion provides guidance but what use is guidance when there is nothing to guide to? If it is riots in front of coal power plants, what does that accomplish? Making power more expensive for everyone, that's what. See, that's the wrong outlook--attacking carbon (which we're all exhaling right now). The only thing faith leaders can do right now that would make a huge difference is being very vocal about support for nuclear. If people got excited about nuclear energy like they did back in the 1950s and 1960s and ground work was laid all around the world for a mass conversion to nuclear for coal, oil, and natural gas burning power plants, not only could electricity prices decline thanks to efficient, economical designs that are easily replicated but human carbon emissions would fall around 30-50% globally and permanently.

Talking about greenhouse gases is only the subject of the sentence--it lacks a predicate. People understand better fuel economy just like they understand lower electric bills. Leave the emissions improvements out of the discussion but log it for the IPCC to ogle over.


TL;DR: You don't need to convince the world to reduce carbon emissions; you only need to convince consumers the cleaner option is better by offering them something else in return. It really is that simple: it's capitalism.

 

[SK-1]

Well if Katy P says so...It must be true.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I havent made a valuable contribution on TPU all day so.......

Rising global temperatures and melting glaciers are not only affecting our weather systems, they are also causing days to become longer.

The research was published in the journal Science Advances.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Humans have been harming Earth for 6,000 years

In a study that examined the distribution patterns of species over the past 307 million years, researchers have pinpointed a 'tipping point' when mankind's activities began changing ecosystems.

The researchers, whose work is published in the journal Nature, ( < quite complicated) evaluated changes in plant and animal organisation over the past 307 million years.

Smithsonian Magazine (< a lot easier to understand)

 

[dorsetknob]

Humans have been harming Earth for 6,000 years

I blame GOD the Jews and the bible
according to the fairy book god created the Earth 6000 years ago and so that's when the problem started

 

[qubit]

I blame GOD the Jews and the bible
according to the fairy book god created the Earth 6000 years ago and so that's when the problem started

Ahmen brother!

 

[dorsetknob]

there is a new god on the block

 

[64K]

I wouldn't pin the 6,000 year old history of Earth on all Christians and Jews. It's obvious that the Earth has been around for billions of years. You can't really pin the 6,000 year old Earth myth on the Bible either. Genesis 1:2 says "The Earth was formless and void.....". The word "was" in the original Hebrew elsewhere in the Old Testament is also translated as "became" so you could read Genesis 1:2 as "The Earth became formless and void....." It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible how old the Earth is.

Edit for clarity: There could have been billions of years in between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2

 

[Frick]

Personally I blame qubit for everything. EVERYTHING.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Personally I blame qubit for everything. EVERYTHING.

Now and Forevermore.

Amen

 

[rtwjunkie]

I wouldn't pin the 6,000 year old history of Earth on all Christians and Jews. It's obvious that the Earth has been around for billions of years. You can't really pin the 6,000 year old Earth myth on the Bible either. Genesis 1:2 says "The Earth was formless and void.....". The word "was" in the original Hebrew elsewhere in the Old Testament is also translated as "became" so you could read Genesis 1:2 as "The Earth became formless and void....." It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible how old the Earth is.

Edit for clarity: There could have been billions of years in between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2

Not to mention, how long were each of the creation "days"? Everything in there is representational, told by people in their limited means of explaining things that happened without any actual scientific knowledge of the Earth.

 

[dorsetknob]

Not to mention, how long were each of the creation "days"? Everything in there is representational, told by people in their limited means of explaining things that happened without any actual scientific knowledge of the Earth.

Questions to be Asked in your southern white Baptist church /chapel somewhere in middle/southern USA

 

[rtwjunkie]

Questions to be Asked in your southern white Baptist church /chapel somewhere in middle/southern USA

LOL, none of the above!

 

[64K]

Not to mention, how long were each of the creation "days"? Everything in there is representational, told by people in their limited means of explaining things that happened without any actual scientific knowledge of the Earth.

The people who believe the Earth is 6,000 years old use the verse below to define a day as a thousand years with God even though it's beyond any doubt that the Earth is billions of years old.

2 Peter 3:8 "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

but that's all I'm going to say on this before I get swatted with a rolled up newspaper by a mod for going way off topic.

 

[qubit]

Personally I blame qubit for everything. EVERYTHING.

Hot damn so do I!!

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Aircraft contrails could be 'unintentionally' changing the atmosphere and exposing us to more solar radiation, researchers warn.

There isn't enough data to support how much of an effect the icy haze left by airplanes has had, but researchers believe it might be altering the climate system.
'This haze is caused by airplanes, and it is gradually whitening blue skies,' said Charles Long of NOAA's Earth System Research Laboratory, at a press conference this week at the American Geophysical Union Fall Meeting.
'We might be actually conducting some unintentional geoengineering here.'
( I feel the Hand of @qubit at work)

HOW JET TRAILS BLOCK SUNLIGHT

The phenomenon occurs when aircraft fly above 25,000ft, where the air temperature is around minus 86F.

This causes water vapor emitted by the engines to crystallze and form the familiar white streaks across the sky, known as contrails.

These can be short-lived.

But if there is already a significant amount of moisture in the atmosphere they can linger for hours, as the excess water vapor from the engines tips the surrounding air past its saturation point.

This acts as a catalyst to speed up the natural process of cloud formation.

Cirrus clouds – the wisp-like formations seen at high altitude – begin to form around the contrails.

Scientists say these grow into thin layers of cloud and can cover up to an astonishing 20,000 square miles of sky

The level of moisture in the air at high altitudes is unrelated to weather conditions at ground level, which is why it is possible to see contrails on a clear day.

Reading University's Professor Keith Shine, an expert in clouds, said that those formed by aircraft fumes could linger 'for hours', depriving those areas under busy flight paths of summer sunshine.

Experts have warned that, as a result, the amount of sunlight hitting the ground could be reduced by as much as 10 percent. ......

 

[SK-1]

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s reliance on poorly-sited weather stations to calculate surface temperatures is inflating the warming trend of the U.S. and maybe even the rest of the world, according to a landmark study looking at three decades of data.“Many of the thermometer sites have been contaminated,” Christy said, adding that poor siting “increases the warming rates.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/17/e...that-inflate-u-s-warming-trend/#ixzz3ueYjrXc6

 

[Melvis]

In my 35yrs on this crappy planet its only got hotter and hotter and hotter...

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

In my 35yrs on this crappy planet its only got hotter and hotter and hotter...

Ive been here for 50..............chill man. ( all global temp related issues are @qubit 's fault)


@SK-1 they say a picture speaks a thousand words...........your pics pretty much sum it up. Theres shit everywhere.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Aircraft contrails could be 'unintentionally' changing the atmosphere and exposing us to more solar radiation, researchers warn.

Finally! Some sense! It's not just the ice clouds though--they're also depositing carbon dioxide up where plants can't consume it. If you go back several pages where I was talking about JPL looking at when the global temperature actually started to rise (about 1930, not late 1870s), it coincides with air traffic. I suggested the impact of aircraft being underestimated back in 2010.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Finally! Some sense! It's not just the ice clouds though--they're also depositing carbon dioxide up where plants can't consume it. If you go back several pages where I was talking about GFDL looking at when the global temperature actually started to rise (1900s, not late 1870s), it coincides with air traffic.

tons of info was provided post 9/11, sift through the chaff for the wheat as we all know, lots of these figures are influenced by poiticians and other interested parties ( and @qubit )

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=contrails after 9/11