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wow really?
1 year is an aweful warranty
It's been like that since at least PS3 days. Apple pulls the same thing with their products so I guess Sony thinks it's fine. You should still be covered by your local consumer laws once the 12 months are over.
 
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I think that this thread formerly entitled: "Sony and Playstation 5 have just lost all my respect and desire to want one. Terrible move Sony..." should be deleted.
As I stated above "The premise for the article is now in ruins."

Now the TPU legal team needs to consider:

Free speech and protection of the press are not unfettered. Was the factual basis of the original article sufficiently grounded in truth? I am trying to encourage TPU to protect itself.

Do you want the Gaming/Console market to be regulated? I think most would regard the rights of consumers as more important than those of criminal gangs?
I think you are way, way, way underestimating the threshold needed for something to be defamatory. For example, does the thread starter here have any kind of standing or authority that can make them meaningfully affect Sony's reputation? I sincerely doubt that. I see where my confusion stems from though: you're referring to a forum thread as an "article", which ... it isn't. A forum post is a forum post, and a forum post is not an article. Regardless fo this though, "someone on a forum said that Sony made a bad heatsink" is not something that would ever get anyone convicted for defamation. Also, you know that forums and online platforms can't be held responsible for content posted by their users, right (at least in the US)? Even in countries with ridiculously biased (towards those in power) defamation laws like the UK, many commonwealth countries, or Sweden I sincerely doubt that this would ever even be considered by a court. Most likely the person/party bringing the suit would be chided (or even sanctioned) for wasting the court's time.

As for the gaming/console market being regulated: regulations to control scalping and predatory pricing would be a pretty good idea IMO, yes. It would of course be a complicated endeavor, but far better than our current situation, especially as it would allow for legal action against scalpers. Most countries have laws regulating black market ticket sales, for example, so I don't see an issue with similar laws being used to regulate other hard-to-come-by products. Remember, regulations come in many, many, many different forms.
I have just one comment with your stupid remark: if you are going to take sides, don't try to be the judge.
I'm not judging, I'm asking you to back up your statements as they run contrary to my own experiences. Also, can you at least try to keep a civil tone? :shadedshu:
Of course, I have something to back that up. Go to his gpuboost reviews and how he omits those "huge" spikes being verbally mentioned in the article.
He is no better at shilling than you are.
So, you're not willing to actually link to your source? That's a bit ... weird. Though after googling a bit I can make a guess at why: your quote is extremely selective, to such a degree that I can't think of any reason for omitting the source beyond actively trying to mislead people. Either that or you didn't actually read what you're quoting. After all, the sentences following the one you quoted are as follows (my emphasis):
The GTX 1060 FE is able to maintain temperatures around 67C to 72C. There are a few sudden spikes that plunge clock-rate to a couple hundred MHz, which manifest as sudden frame drops. These last a fraction of a second and are noticeable, but aren't frequent enough to get mad about. The GTX 1080 had bigger issues with this when running OC endurance tests on the FE card.
That's pretty clear, no? The video review contains the same exact wording when discussing this. In the overall context of a GPU review, this seems like a reasonable handling of something they didn't see as significant enough to be an actual problem. Is this shilling? Obviously not. They're making a judgement on whether or not this is an issue. You're entirely welcome to disagree with that - people perceive things differently. That doesn't make GN a shill or you somehow more 'right', it just means you have differing opinions.

Also, what am I shilling? For who? How?
PS: if you are looking for journalism, you might want to stick around myself as I, too, was a journalist until someone didn't want to upset relations to announce the stock crash of 2018 two years prior...
... uh ... okay? IDGAF about stock markets tbh (beyond a general belief that they are massively overvalued in society and ought to be ignored far more), nor do I put much weight into vaguely worded conspiratorical language, so ... meh. If you've got damning evidence showing someone doing something that sinister, publish it? The internet is open after all. Please don't drag me into your drama.
wow really?
1 year is an aweful warranty
1-year warranties are entirely normal on mass-market consumer electronics overall. Literally every smartphone in the world has a one-year warranty, though some allow you to buy extensions. Laptops rarely come with anything more. It's the industry norm, which sucks, but it is what it is. As such, warranty length is no indication whatsoever of quality for these things. (This is also why some countries mandate longer warranty coverage for production faults etc.)
 
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@lynx29 Is your opinion still the same after that showcase event yesterday?

I was beginning to think I could skip this Playstation gen. But then Insomniac throws Venom in the mix. And Wolverine. I can't resist. o_O And Ragnarok. Aww, man. I was never gonna skip it, just deluding myself.
 
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I'm not judging, I'm asking you to back up your statements as they run contrary to my own experiences. Also, can you at least try to keep a civil tone?
I was very civil until you engaged your search and rescue mode.
Good to see you are off track and retreated from your previous position which was heavily defamatory towards me without even knowing the first thing about journalism.

So, you're not willing to actually link to your source? That's a bit ... weird.
Quit fud. I gave a direct citation which are a dime in a dozen unless you are looking the other way.

They're making a judgement on whether or not this is an issue.
See, that is why there is a discussion. Unlike your noble ideas, everything he publishes is repeated verbatim and not his opinion. He is a mouthpiece and that is what you have to get used to in comparison to editorials - which is not what he publishes since it has to be approved first.
 
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I was very civil until you engaged your search and rescue mode.
Good to see you are off track and retreated from your previous position which was heavily defamatory towards me without even knowing the first thing about journalism.


Quit fud. I gave a direct citation which are a dime in a dozen unless you are looking the other way.


See, that is why there is a discussion. Unlike your noble ideas, everything he publishes is repeated verbatim and not his opinion. He is a mouthpiece and that is what you have to get used to in comparison to editorials - which is not what he publishes since it has to be approved first.

You're not making the slightest bit of sense. He literally quoted how you shopped selectively to support your failure of an argument. You don't need to know journalism for that, just read.
 
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You're not making the slightest bit of sense. He literally quoted how you shopped selectively to support your failure of an argument. You don't need to know journalism for that, just read.
Well, ignore as you want. I won't spill the beans for you since I'm done arguing trolls for not seeing through the same tinted glasses.
I said he does it in every review where his master instructs him to treat with kid gloves. I'm sure you haven't also heard journalistic practices and favouritism, so no need to fall on deaf ears.
I just scrolled the first article where he does it and you're already in denial mode.
 
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@lynx29 Is your opinion still the same after that showcase event yesterday?

I was beginning to think I could skip this Playstation gen. But then Insomniac throws Venom in the mix. And Wolverine. I can't resist. o_O And Ragnarok. Aww, man. I was never gonna skip it, just deluding myself.
I think most of it is coming in March/Spring 2022 right? By then we'll probably have another revision to fuss over.

Edit.
Spidey won't come until 2023 and Logan doesn't even have a release window set.
 
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Well, ignore as you want. I won't spill the beans for you since I'm done arguing trolls for not seeing through the same tinted glasses.
I said he does it in every review where his master instructs him to treat with kid gloves. I'm sure you haven't also heard journalistic practices and favouritism, so no need to fall on deaf ears.
I just scrolled the first article where he does it and you're already in denial mode.

You havent got any beans to spill, but you think you do. No FOMO here, no worries...
 
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I think you are way, way, way underestimating the threshold needed for something to be defamatory. For example, does the thread starter here have any kind of standing or authority that can make them meaningfully affect Sony's reputation? I sincerely doubt that. I see where my confusion stems from though: you're referring to a forum thread as an "article", which ... it isn't. A forum post is a forum post, and a forum post is not an article. Regardless fo this though, "someone on a forum said that Sony made a bad heatsink" is not something that would ever get anyone convicted for defamation. Also, you know that forums and online platforms can't be held responsible for content posted by their users, right (at least in the US)? Even in countries with ridiculously biased (towards those in power) defamation laws like the UK, many commonwealth countries, or Sweden I sincerely doubt that this would ever even be considered by a court. Most likely the person/party bringing the suit would be chided (or even sanctioned) for wasting the court's time.

As for the gaming/console market being regulated: regulations to control scalping and predatory pricing would be a pretty good idea IMO, yes. It would of course be a complicated endeavor, but far better than our current situation, especially as it would allow for legal action against scalpers. Most countries have laws regulating black market ticket sales, for example, so I don't see an issue with similar laws being used to regulate other hard-to-come-by products. Remember, regulations come in many, many, many different forms.

I'm not judging, I'm asking you to back up your statements as they run contrary to my own experiences. Also, can you at least try to keep a civil tone? :shadedshu:

So, you're not willing to actually link to your source? That's a bit ... weird. Though after googling a bit I can make a guess at why: your quote is extremely selective, to such a degree that I can't think of any reason for omitting the source beyond actively trying to mislead people. Either that or you didn't actually read what you're quoting. After all, the sentences following the one you quoted are as follows (my emphasis):

That's pretty clear, no? The video review contains the same exact wording when discussing this. In the overall context of a GPU review, this seems like a reasonable handling of something they didn't see as significant enough to be an actual problem. Is this shilling? Obviously not. They're making a judgement on whether or not this is an issue. You're entirely welcome to disagree with that - people perceive things differently. That doesn't make GN a shill or you somehow more 'right', it just means you have differing opinions.

Also, what am I shilling? For who? How?

... uh ... okay? IDGAF about stock markets tbh (beyond a general belief that they are massively overvalued in society and ought to be ignored far more), nor do I put much weight into vaguely worded conspiratorical language, so ... meh. If you've got damning evidence showing someone doing something that sinister, publish it? The internet is open after all. Please don't drag me into your drama.

1-year warranties are entirely normal on mass-market consumer electronics overall. Literally every smartphone in the world has a one-year warranty, though some allow you to buy extensions. Laptops rarely come with anything more. It's the industry norm, which sucks, but it is what it is. As such, warranty length is no indication whatsoever of quality for these things. (This is also why some countries mandate longer warranty coverage for production faults etc.)
Article /ˈɑːtɪk(ə)l/ a piece of writing included with others in a newspaper, magazine, or other publication.
The definition seems very broad.
Thread /θrɛd/ (in online communication) a sequence of linked posts or messages.
and yet many of the posts are TC'd and are not linked?
 
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I think most of it is coming in March/Spring 2022 right? By then we'll probably have another revision to fuss over.

Edit.
Spidey won't come until 2023 and Logan doesn't even have a release window set.
He said he wasn't going to get it anymore, I was curious if yesterday had changed his mind at all. As far as revisions go, the PS4 Slim came out a bit before the 3rd anniversary, so late 2023 is very likely (there are some rumors about a pro version by late 2023/24). I'll be aiming for that, as I'm not a huge fan of the current external design. Don't really care about the internals as much, I'm sure it works just fine.
 

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@lynx29 Is your opinion still the same after that showcase event yesterday?

I was beginning to think I could skip this Playstation gen. But then Insomniac throws Venom in the mix. And Wolverine. I can't resist. o_O And Ragnarok. Aww, man. I was never gonna skip it, just deluding myself.

i'm not a fan of superhero stuff in general sense, but i need to see more first party stuff. ragnarok will be good that was a given before ps5 even came out though. i need to see what new first party will be exclusive to ps5... horizon sequel and ragnarok are my only two must plays at the moment though. as far as racing goes i'd rather play a dirt rally game or forza. gran turismo 7 looks a little weak and dated honestly.
 

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Seriously? Warranty's were once 90 days. 1 year is a vast improvement.


Microsoft Complete covers your Xbox for “up to 3 years” against both defects and accidental damage. They say “up to 3 years” because, if you read the fine print, their coverage is limited to 2 claims. With Microsoft Complete after two claims, no matter their size or cost, your warranty is over.

I like the way M$ does it more to be honest. 1 year is a bit crappy in comparison
 
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I don't mind the warranty, assuming the soldered storage doesn't fail.. o_O

I'm tempted to try the old MP600 1tb (4900read) once firmware allows it, and i doubt it will prove insufficient. Maybe on some late gen releases 6-7 years from now that push the system to its limits, but in this.. extended cross gen joke period especially it should be more than fine.

Anyway, call me crazy but i like that mine has a big fat heatsink, just means i gotta find an aftermarket fan with better SP right? :laugh:
 
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I was very civil until you engaged your search and rescue mode.
Really? All I saw was a bunch of vague conspiratorial statements with nothing to back them up. Hardly civil, it just wasn't directed at me until I called you out.
Good to see you are off track and retreated from your previous position which was heavily defamatory towards me without even knowing the first thing about journalism.
Oh man, this made me laugh. Defamatory? Don't be ridiculous. If it is, take me to court. Or at the very least report my post to forum admins. I asked you to back up your claims. You provided a quote with no sourcing, which turned out to be extremely selective to such a degree that the only reasonable conclusion is that you were actively trying to mislead people.
Quit fud. I gave a direct citation which are a dime in a dozen unless you are looking the other way.
"A dime a dozen" means something is cheap, of little value, common to the point of being entirely unremarkable. I'm guessing that isn't what you wanted to say about your own argument? Either way, your quote was highly selective and thus misleading, which was easily demonstrated by tracking down the source of the quote and showing its context.
See, that is why there is a discussion. Unlike your noble ideas, everything he publishes is repeated verbatim and not his opinion.
What? Of course it's his (or GN's) opinion. What else would it be? Are you seriously claiming that some third party writes their scripts for them? Again: please stop posting vague conspiratorial nonsense unless you have some actual proof to back that up.
He is a mouthpiece and that is what you have to get used to in comparison to editorials - which is not what he publishes since it has to be approved first.
Mouthpiece for whom? Approved by whom? Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up?
Well, ignore as you want. I won't spill the beans for you since I'm done arguing trolls for not seeing through the same tinted glasses.
Ah, the classic "no, I won't present any proof for my claims, you doubt me and are thus trolls and not worthy of my time" line. So, if people believed you you wouldn't need to provide proof, and if we don't then you can't be bothered to argue your points or provide it. So... I'm taking a wild guess here, but the logical answer seems to be that you have no proof, seeing how you're creating conditions where no matter what you won't have to provide it.
I said he does it in every review where his master instructs him to treat with kid gloves. I'm sure you haven't also heard journalistic practices and favouritism, so no need to fall on deaf ears.
I just scrolled the first article where he does it and you're already in denial mode.
Your selectively quoted article didn't show anything - they did discuss the frametime drops in the next sentences, that you conveniently omitted from your quote. You're welcome to disagree with their judgement there, but claiming they didn't mention the drops is a plain-faced lie. So, again, unless you can actually back up your statements with something substantive, please stop digging this hole for yourself.

Given the target of your wrath I'm guessing the "master" you speak of is Nvidia, which... not only is it absurd to claim GN is on the take from them (considering their GPP coverage, their self-sourcing of review cards to avoid consequences from pissing off Nvidia (and others)), but you called me a shill as well (presumably also for them), which... man, have you looked at my system specs? Or even paid any attention to the dozens of discussions we've had here? I have literally never bought or owned an Nvidia GPU. Don't be ridiculous.
The definition seems very broad.

and yet many of the posts are TC'd and are not linked?
TC'd? You're going to have to spell that out for me. As for linked: literally every post in a forum thread is linked to the thread and the OP. That's what makes them into a thread.

As for that definition, it seems you're interpreting "publication" far too broadly. 'Publication' implies some form of organization or editorial control, at least in the legal sense. TPU is a publication, TPU's forums are a semi-public (privately controlled, but open to anyone who hasn't been banned, and partially community moderated) discussion board and not under any editorial control. Nobody controls what is posted here, and what is posted here is generally not TPU's responsibility.
 
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i'm not a fan of superhero stuff in general sense, but i need to see more first party stuff. ragnarok will be good that was a given before ps5 even came out though. i need to see what new first party will be exclusive to ps5... horizon sequel and ragnarok are my only two must plays at the moment though. as far as racing goes i'd rather play a dirt rally game or forza. gran turismo 7 looks a little weak and dated honestly.
I resemble that remark. :)

A little weak: I have been stronger and had more authority. That is about to change for the better.
Dated: Yes, unlike some I've been on plenty and then married one of them.
Honestly: The unvarnished truth (with the occasional error [cosmic ray]).

GT7 4/3/22 I can't wait. GT Sports will get its first workout on my new PS5 when it arrives in the very near future.

Really? All I saw was a bunch of vague conspiratorial statements with nothing to back them up. Hardly civil, it just wasn't directed at me until I called you out.

Oh man, this made me laugh. Defamatory? Don't be ridiculous. If it is, take me to court. Or at the very least report my post to forum admins. I asked you to back up your claims. You provided a quote with no sourcing, which turned out to be extremely selective to such a degree that the only reasonable conclusion is that you were actively trying to mislead people.

"A dime a dozen" means something is cheap, of little value, common to the point of being entirely unremarkable. I'm guessing that isn't what you wanted to say about your own argument? Either way, your quote was highly selective and thus misleading, which was easily demonstrated by tracking down the source of the quote and showing its context.

What? Of course it's his (or GN's) opinion. What else would it be? Are you seriously claiming that some third party writes their scripts for them? Again: please stop posting vague conspiratorial nonsense unless you have some actual proof to back that up.

Mouthpiece for whom? Approved by whom? Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up?

Ah, the classic "no, I won't present any proof for my claims, you doubt me and are thus trolls and not worthy of my time" line. So, if people believed you you wouldn't need to provide proof, and if we don't then you can't be bothered to argue your points or provide it. So... I'm taking a wild guess here, but the logical answer seems to be that you have no proof, seeing how you're creating conditions where no matter what you won't have to provide it.

Your selectively quoted article didn't show anything - they did discuss the frametime drops in the next sentences, that you conveniently omitted from your quote. You're welcome to disagree with their judgement there, but claiming they didn't mention the drops is a plain-faced lie. So, again, unless you can actually back up your statements with something substantive, please stop digging this hole for yourself.

Given the target of your wrath I'm guessing the "master" you speak of is Nvidia, which... not only is it absurd to claim GN is on the take from them (considering their GPP coverage, their self-sourcing of review cards to avoid consequences from pissing off Nvidia (and others)), but you called me a shill as well (presumably also for them), which... man, have you looked at my system specs? Or even paid any attention to the dozens of discussions we've had here? I have literally never bought or owned an Nvidia GPU. Don't be ridiculous.

TC'd? You're going to have to spell that out for me. As for linked: literally every post in a forum thread is linked to the thread and the OP. That's what makes them into a thread.

As for that definition, it seems you're interpreting "publication" far too broadly. 'Publication' implies some form of organization or editorial control, at least in the legal sense. TPU is a publication, TPU's forums are a semi-public (privately controlled, but open to anyone who hasn't been banned, and partially community moderated) discussion board and not under any editorial control. Nobody controls what is posted here, and what is posted here is generally not TPU's responsibility.
I doubt if a five-star poster could tell you anything? Thread Crap = TC, but you knew that? :cool:
Publication /ˌpʌblɪˈkeɪʃ(ə)n/: the action of making something generally known.
I don't think that TPU is a secret squirrel site?:shadedshu: TPU rules: how is that relevant? BTW, TPU RULES!
every post in a forum thread is linked to the thread
Except the many that aren't ... as in TC'ing. Your above post, how is that linked to the topic of the 6nm PS5 and its alleged tested cooling performance.

The initial post in a thread isn't that an article? :lovetpu:
 
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This is getting very OT, so I'm putting this in a spoiler tag so as not to bog down the thread entirely.
I doubt if a five-star poster could tell you anything? Thread Crap = TC, but you knew that? :cool:
Not a term I'm familiar with, no :)
I don't think that TPU is a secret squirrel site?:shadedshu: TPU rules: how is that relevant? BTW, TPU RULES!
You're conflating different meanings of 'publication' here. The definition you're using here is in the meaning of something being or having been published. The meaning that your definition of article pointed to is separate and different from this; the meaning that makes it roughly equivalent to the two other examples mentioned, newspaper or magazine. I.e. the output of some sort of organization with some form of editorial control over the things published there. It could be a zine, a TV news broadcast, an online news site or magazine, etc. A forum is run by some form of organization (not necessarily of course - anyone can set up their own forum that they control individually, but once you give it a name and recruit moderators to help you that's an organization in a very broad sense), but there is zero editorial control. Sure, the forums have rules, but those rules are not editorial rules, but rules of conduct within what is mainly a semi-public social space. Of course, nobody is stopping anyone from posting an article in its entirety as a forum post, but at least I've never seen that (beyond some community review sites that can border on a quasi-article form).

Of course this gets us solidly into extremely complex discussions of editorial and authorial control and how this affects things along the lines of "are blogs publications" or "are blog posts articles", which mainly highlights that all such categorizations are a) simplifications, b) generalizations, and c) never entirely accurate in all cases. It is entirely impossible to create perfect definitions and delineations of phenomena such as these. That does not make those categorizations invalid or not useful though - one simply has to accept that place, context and content matters, and judge accordingly. What defines an article as opposed to a forum post is determined by not only where it was published, but the author's relation to that venue, the author's relation to their audience (is it as an author/editor/journalist/commentator, or as an ordinary member of a community?), and applicable context and norms both in society at large as well as specifically for that venue. For example, if an article is posted somewhere with a comments seciton it's entirely reasonable for the author to never take part in the discussion below (though many still do), while it would be borderline absurd for someone to post a thread to a forum and then never take part in the discussion. It happens, but it's extremely rare, and not generally expected. And there are of course lots of weird borderline cases, like when TPU uses their forums as comments sections for their news posts, in which the normal "thread starter is a part of the discussion" norms do not necessarily apply to the same degree (though many on the editorial team of TPU are great at responding to feedback and questions).

Getting back to the point: for something to be a 'publication' in the meaning that what they publish is 'articles', there needs to be some form of organizational structure and editorial policy in place. There will always be exceptions and weird offshoots that don't quite fit this categorizations, but forums very clearly do not fit, and are thus not publications in this way. Social media are not publications either, nor is a town hall meeting even if everyone there can make a statement. If that town hall meeting is livestreamed on Facebook or Twitch that still isn't a publication, but if it's broadcast live on TV or through the web site of a newspaper or other publication, it falls under their editorial purview (though again, responsibility for the contents of live transmission of public debates is not the same as for content created by the editorial team).

Something being a 'publication' in the meaning "something that has been published" does not make that thing an article, as literally anything that can convey information can be "published". Is a post-it note stuck to a lamppost on the town square an article? No, but it is technically a publication in that meaning.
Except the many that aren't ... as in TC'ing. Your above post, how is that linked to the topic of the 6nm PS5 and its alleged tested cooling performance.
Again, you're misunderstanding. Every post in a thread is linked to the thread. Not thematically linked or by their content, but by the HTML (or similar) infrastructure of the forum. Of course this doesn't technically require a forum, and you could achieve the same with just plain old hyperlinks. But the base concept of a BBS, which is where current forums originated, is a codified structure for posting discussions where each post is linked to previous posts and/or the original post for that thread.
The initial post in a thread isn't that an article?
No. It is a forum post. The same text could obviously be an article, but then it would need to be posted somewhere with some form of editorial control (even if only the author's), and not on a semi-public forum.
 
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GN and DF doing a colab :D
saw their Hardware News video where they mentioned they were working on this. Haven't watched it yet but it should be a good one :cool:
 
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