I'm sold, who else is getting an AMD 3600x?

[R-T-B]

gonna change everything

I mean, were you asleep in marketing 101...

stolen from verizon:

 

[Vario]

At its over stated theoretical performance, I would be a fool not to get it!

Something based on 2 previous releases and big architectural changes with improved memory compatibility, you would be lacking brain cells if you didn't for this particular launch.

Well I'm convinced, I just preordered one of each Ryzen 3000 model SKU for my collection. I don't want to be a fool. Only suckers wait around for reviews, benchmarks, and forum anecdotes.

 

[Kapone33]

Well I'm convinced, I just preordered one of each Ryzen 3000 model SKU for my collection. I don't want to be a fool. Only suckers wait around for reviews, benchmarks, and forum anecdotes.

especially if it's something you already want

 

[cucker tarlson]

neither of these benchmarks is particularly indicative of gaming performance

first outperform 8600k OC and then we'll talk

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

This the same hype we always see ....

Mantle is gonna change everything ... it didn't
HBM2 is gonna change everything ... it didn't
More cores was gonna change everything ... it didn't
Smaller nm is gonna change everything ... it didn't.

While it has been nice to see AMD narrow the gap, the 2700X remains the only CPU we currently recommend in a particular price / performance niche. If you on a low budget (< $300 CPU), and your workload is say 70 % gaming and 30 - 40% video editing, then the 2700X is an excellent choice. If you can manage an extra $200, the 9900k is a better fit. It is currently th best gaming CPU on the market and it has the highest "value" in video editing (Testing by Pueget Sound / AdobePpremier).

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If you need to be the 1st one on your block to have the new shiny thing, by all means go ahead and do so. I can not recommend it as a sensible choice. Buyer's Remorse sucks. Now if it's out and tested and does change the current price / performance picture ... by all means jump on it when the 2nd or 3rd stepping is shipping. I don't gamble, most people in engineering don't, must be the math focus. You may think it's a sure thing ... but so did the people who bet on heavyweight champ Anthony Joshua before he got beat yesterday by that guy with the beer belly.

I just don't see the value in pre-ordering ... weigh what you win versus what you can lose. Let's even forget about the situation where the product doesn't live up to the hype ...do you really want to live on the bleeding edge ? We recommend never buying 1st stepping products 'outta the gate'. Whether it be CPUs, MoBos, whatever ... the folks on the bleeding edge wind up with the bugs, the BIOSs, that won't be right yet for 4 or 5 revisions, the MoBos with non working features .... and the worst batch related to overclocking ... later steppings will improve in all these areas. Being the 1st one on the block to have the new shiny thing, leaves you exposed to all those headaches and the folks coming in behind you will likely wind up with a better product and a higher overlock.

Remeber the Intel B3 stepping fiasco w/ P67 / B67 ? Remember the issues nVidia had with 2xxx series GFX cards ? Ask those users how pre-ordering worked out for them. Not trying to be harsh here, but just can't see any advantage to going the pre-order / early stepping route.

Fully agree on your preorderr stance.

Hartily disagree on your four change the world comments, new tech takes time to hit an installed base worth writing software for etc etc.
I won't go on it's off topic but stick to your points without the grandiose statements.
I mean Nm didn't change the world, you think that tut ,Turing was IMPOSSIBLE before 12-14nm as was Pascal and Zen and polaris.

 

[dirtyferret]

Well I'm convinced, I just preordered one of each Ryzen 3000 model SKU for my collection. I don't want to be a fool. Only suckers wait around for reviews, benchmarks, and forum anecdotes.

Nice! Make sure your RGB fans are set to AMD red once you finish your new build, it will help with FPS.

 

[xrror]

Nice! Make sure your RGB fans are set to AMD red once you finish your new build, it will help with FPS.

The tattoo on the forehead helps too!

 

[cucker tarlson]

you're basically betting that 13% ipc uplift number amd gave you in presentation is absolutely 100% true for gaming.not just some cherry picked cinnabon benchmark.
yeah,hurry up,you don't want to not preorder it.
I mean what can go wrong.the presentation explicitly said 13%.And how else are you gonna make a hexacore cpu in 2019 except than two 3-core ccx's with a separate IO die ? latency ? who even heard of that.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

you're basically betting that 13% ipc uplift number amd gave you in presentation is absolutely 100% true for gaming.not just some cherry picked cinnabon benchmark.
yeah,hurry up,you don't want to not preorder it.
I mean what can go wrong.the presentation explicitly said 13%.And how else are you gonna make a hexacore cpu in 2019 except than two 3-core ccx's with a separate IO die ? latency ? who even heard of that.

You should realize a made mind is made.
Yours is, it seems.
Intel will be doing similar soon or do you not listen to what they are saying, Foveros eventually, won't Just be for laptops.

 

[cucker tarlson]

You should realize a made mind is made.
Yours is, it seems.
Intel will be doing similar soon or do you not listen to what they are saying, Foveros eventually, won't Just be for laptops.

I'm on z97 since 2014 and not even upgrading this year.Butter smooth 160 fps in BF1, so yeah.
can you be more general about what you mean ?

 

[EarthDog]

Sold before any reviews come out? heh...........

5 GHz goals.... in the immortal words of Shaggy..... Like... ZOINKS!

WHERE DEW EYE PUTZ MI MONEZz BASTE OWNLEE ON AMDeeZ(nuts) NUMBHERS?

 

[phanbuey]

I mean 10-15% IPC uplift, clocks and specs are published already, same tweaked version of the old architecture and gobs of cache on top of it. It's really not much of a hype train anymore.

It's going to be a great chip. Is it going to CRUSH the 9900K? Most likely not, but it's going to be so close you most likely wont be able to tell the boxes apart. Plus, Zen 2+ in 12-18months while Intel is still sitting on 14nm++++++.

 

[GLD]

I will be going next gen AMD, the full Monty, with the rest of the smart users.

 

[bug]

Well for the game series I like to play (Total War) I have seen an increase in performance using an 8 core vs 6 core CPU.

That's unlikely to scale to 16 cores. That's why so far the sweet spot has been between 4 and 8 cores: games don't multithread indefinitely so faster cores are better. Fewer cores mean less heat to dissipate and so far those CPU have reigned supreme in gaming.

If you don't have a high core count CPU you will have frame dips! FRAME DIPS

Frame dips have nothing to do with core count. Unless your core count happens to be zero, then you'll get the mother of all dips.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Sold before any reviews come out? heh...........

5 GHz goals.... in the immortal words of Shaggy..... Like... ZOINKS!

WHERE DEW EYE PUTZ MI MONEZz BASTE OWNLEE ON AMDeeZ(nuts) NUMBHERS?

There are those like myself that are still on 1st gen ryzen so the ipc uplift and increased clocks and memory clocks is a worthy upgrade, I can't see 5ghz 4.5 seems very likely though and vs my 3.9/4ghz 1600 will do me just fine. Why does it irk you so...

 

[P4-630]

I'm more interested in the R7 3800X, waiting for reviews.

 

[EarthDog]

There are those like myself that are still on 1st gen ryzen so the ipc uplift and increased clocks and memory clocks is a worthy upgrade, I can't see 5ghz 4.5 seems very likely though and vs my 3.9/4ghz 1600 will do me just fine. Why does it irk you so...

It doesn't. I'm rooting for team AMD just like everyone else. The difference is, I'll wait to see benchmarks and get the big picture before I jump headfirst without looking (AKA - betting on AMD's marketing). Blindly from Piledriver/Bulldozer, no doubt! Ryzen 1... maybe. Anything else, give me benchies before i hand over the money.

I've never been burned by AMD[insert any company here] marketing, but I'd imagine we are seeing its best foot forward in that result. Just like Intel/NVIDIA etc does as well. I can wait for a big picture view before buying.

WEAR DEW EYE PUTZ MI MONEZ BASTE OWNLEE ON MARKETENG NUMBHERS?

Better?

 

[Kapone33]

That's unlikely to scale to 16 cores. That's why so far the sweet spot has been between 4 and 8 cores: games don't multithread indefinitely so faster cores are better. Fewer cores mean less heat to dissipate and so far those CPU have reigned supreme in gaming.

Frame dips have nothing to do with core count. Unless your core count happens to be zero, then you'll get the mother of all dips.

I understand that but I will always take more cores at the same clock speed with AM4 than less but 12 cores is enough for me.

 

[dirtyferret]

Frame dips have nothing to do with core count. Unless your core count happens to be zero, then you'll get the mother of all dips.

Come on bug, everyone knows intel quads and hexa core CPUs suffer from frame dip and stutter! Like a sports car weaving and braking in out of highway rubber neck traffic doing 65 to 85mph.

Meanwhile with the high ryzen core count you would have the smooth performance of a septuagenarian driving their 88 Oldsmobile going 55mph in the fast lane with their blinker on for the past three miles.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Come on bug, everyone knows intel quads and hexa core CPUs suffer from frame dip and stutter! Like a sports car weaving and braking in out of highway rubber neck traffic doing 65 to 85mph.

Meanwhile with the high ryzen core count you would have the smooth performance of a septuagenarian driving their 88 Oldsmobile going 55mph in the fast lane with their blinker on for the past three miles.

3600 is a hexacore

are you really experiencing stuter and frame dips on 8600k?

 

[dirtyferret]

3600 is a hexacore

yeah but with 12 threads!

are you really experiencing stuter and frame dips on 8600k?

no, it plays every game I toss at it from @ 1080p at a steady FPS (100-200 FPS) with no stutter

 

[cucker tarlson]

no, it plays every game I toss at it from 100 to 200 FPS @ 1080p

seems like it's not malfunctioning then.I know what my 5775c can do and 8600k at 4.7 is about the same.

 

[bug]

I understand that but I will always take more cores at the same clock speed with AM4 than less but 12 cores is enough for me.

But that's just the thing, so far less cores always overclocked better.

Come on bug, everyone knows intel quads and hexa core CPUs suffer from frame dip and stutter! Like a sports car weaving and braking in out of highway rubber neck traffic doing 65 to 85mph.

Meanwhile with the high ryzen core count you would have the smooth performance of a septuagenarian driving their 88 Oldsmobile going 55mph in the fast lane with their blinker on for the past three miles.

Ah, the "everybody knows" argument. Feel free to link some posts or articles on the subject, because I am not aware of this.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I'm on z97 since 2014 and not even upgrading this year.Butter smooth 160 fps in BF1, so yeah.
can you be more general about what you mean ?

Fine example, of a man who has made his mind up, if you're happy, great.
He's decided he is definitely getting this chip, which of you two is wasting their time more here in this thread?.
Throw me in there, I'm tempted by a 3900x because i have all the tech you derided and it's as close as PC tech is going to get to changing my world.
Mobile phones being my last personal world changing moment, are you expecting that kind of world change from HBM or Vulkan?.

I will wait for reviews, many reviews.

 

[Kapone33]

This is why I haven't sold my Taichi.