I'm trying to help someone out by saying Corsair ram doesn't play nice with Ryzen

[ThrashZone]

Well if I do upgrade ever I will want 2 more 16gb sticks. 4gb belongs in the bin.

Computers are so complicated. Why I stuck on console for 30 years plus.

Hi,
Yep I didn't want to give it away so I started playing with it to see if I could get the stuff working

I still have my trident-z 3200c14 4x8gb kit
I put it on ebay at a stupid high price just fishing

Might add
Before starting memory oc'ing create a system image to removable hdd and also create the winpe recovery media when prompted both can save you some headaches

 

[ir_cow]

Might add
Before starting memory oc'ing create a system image to removable hdd and also create the winpe recovery media when prompted both can save you some headaches

1+ you will corrupt the OS at some point if you play around enough. I use a spare SSD for all my trial overclocking. Its saved my butt so many times.

 

[grammar_phreak]

From what I've seen with Corsair Vengeance memory, it's kinda a crapshoot. Corsair changes their memory IC's a lot, so you never really know what you're getting until you have it. Supposedly you can look up the reversion number and find out what memory IC's are being used. You can always look up the QVL list to see if there's any continuity between the recommend RAM and the IC's that are being used with that RAM.

That and older Zen and Zen+ had a fussy memory controller to begin with.

A while back I built my brother a system around a 2700x, a Crosshair 7 Hero board, and 16gb of G.Skill Flare X 3200MT/s cl14 RAM (Samsung-B dies). Eventually I upgraded the CPU to a 3900x and later on I upgraded the RAM to a 32gb kit of Corsair Dominator RAM. The Dominator RAM I got for his system has Micron dies and there's been no problems so far. I even clocked the RAM up to the advertised 3600MT/s speeds, set the Fabric clock to 1800mhz, and tweaked some of the voltages & timings. His system has been stable so far, and I did all of that about 6 months ago.

A couple years ago I had seen Corsair Vengeance RAM kits being sold that were marketed for Ryzen compatibility.

 

[Bones]

From what I've seen with Corsair Vengeance memory, it's kinda a crapshoot. Corsair changes their memory IC's a lot, so you never really know what you're getting until you have it. Supposedly you can look up the reversion number and find out what memory IC's are being used. You can always look up the QVL list to see if there's any continuity between the recommend RAM and the IC's that are being used with that RAM.

That and older Zen and Zen+ had a fussy memory controller to begin with.

A while back I built my brother a system around a 2700x, a Crosshair 7 Hero board, and 16gb of G.Skill Flare X 3200MT/s cl14 RAM (Samsung-B dies). Eventually I upgraded the CPU to a 3900x and later on I upgraded the RAM to a 32gb kit of Corsair Dominator RAM. The Dominator RAM I got for his system has Micron dies and there's been no problems so far. I even clocked the RAM up to the advertised 3600MT/s speeds, set the Fabric clock to 1800mhz, and tweaked some of the voltages & timings. His system has been stable so far, and I did all of that about 6 months ago.

A couple years ago I had seen Corsair Vengeance RAM kits being sold that were marketed for Ryzen compatibility.

THIS.
Corsair is bad about doing that and has been for sometime. The Vengeance line of sticks are the ones that seems to be problematic out of all, other Corsair models it seems are somewhere between better and no problem vs the Vengeance line.

However it still doesn't change the long proven fact Ryzen and Corsair sticks can have problems and it always seems to be a set of Vengeance sticks involved.

 

[Mussels]

Trying to help someone on LTT forums and some guy is asking for proof that what I'm saying is true. Help me out people!

Well, your statement isnt true. Thats why you need help backing it up.


Early Corsair LPX was the issue, since it was dual rank 8GB sticks and ryzen (especially zen 1) needed lower clocks with dual rank memory.
Combine that with ryzen not liking odd-numbered timings, and C15 dual rank was terrible for high clock speeds.

This was AMD's official press release with zen 1, and how more ranks means lower clock speeds. While its slow by todays standards, remember that intel capped everyone at 2133 1-2 years before this except on Z chipsets.
People tried to get DDR4 3200 with 8 ranks and then had fits that overclocking wasnt guaranteed

 

[eidairaman1]

Crucial is Micron.

 

[BlaezaLite]

Well, your statement isnt true. Thats why you need help backing it up.


Early Corsair LPX was the issue, since it was dual rank 8GB sticks and ryzen (especially zen 1) needed lower clocks with dual rank memory.
Combine that with ryzen not liking odd-numbered timings, and C15 dual rank was terrible for high clock speeds.

This was AMD's official press release with zen 1, and how more ranks means lower clock speeds. While its slow by todays standards, remember that intel capped everyone at 2133 1-2 years before this except on Z chipsets.
People tried to get DDR4 3200 with 8 ranks and then had fits that overclocking wasnt guaranteed
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I've already put on the question on LTT forums that I was mistaken.

From what I've seen with Corsair Vengeance memory, it's kinda a crapshoot. Corsair changes their memory IC's a lot, so you never really know what you're getting until you have it. Supposedly you can look up the reversion number and find out what memory IC's are being used. You can always look up the QVL list to see if there's any continuity between the recommend RAM and the IC's that are being used with that RAM.

That and older Zen and Zen+ had a fussy memory controller to begin with.

A while back I built my brother a system around a 2700x, a Crosshair 7 Hero board, and 16gb of G.Skill Flare X 3200MT/s cl14 RAM (Samsung-B dies). Eventually I upgraded the CPU to a 3900x and later on I upgraded the RAM to a 32gb kit of Corsair Dominator RAM. The Dominator RAM I got for his system has Micron dies and there's been no problems so far. I even clocked the RAM up to the advertised 3600MT/s speeds, set the Fabric clock to 1800mhz, and tweaked some of the voltages & timings. His system has been stable so far, and I did all of that about 6 months ago.

A couple years ago I had seen Corsair Vengeance RAM kits being sold that were marketed for Ryzen compatibility.

I've heard that the Vengeance ram has got a bit of a poor reputation. If I'd have done a bit of research, I would of got something different. I just saw so many shiny ram kits and thought 32gb for £110 or whatever it was. I also liked the appearance, not going to lie and that they had no RGB because I didn't want all the stupid flashing colours (that I now like ).

Glad your brothers system is working great and not going to lie, mine has been fine until I've started trying to OC the memory. But 3800mt isn't slow, just the timings are and I can still play COD and Forza fine so stuff it, it can stay as it is and just work, without a corrupted OS. I really don't have the knowledge needed to alter the timings, but it sometimes just wants me to try and alter something so it can be some % faster, but I need to resist. OCD's great aren't they?

1+ you will corrupt the OS at some point if you play around enough. I use a spare SSD for all my trial overclocking. Its saved my butt so many times.

Not doing anything more than "Memory Try It" in that case.

 

[micropage7]

Trying to help someone on LTT forums and some guy is asking for proof that what I'm saying is true. Help me out people!

imo, before saying anything maybe you should point that it aint works on me coz in my setup bla bla bla
it just looks like fanboys that say this brand is good and that brand is meh without bringing some example

 

[AsRock]

My system is Ryzen with corsair at 3800mt. What I'm saying is I've seen people state that corsair ram isn't always good with Ryzen on this forum. Or is it just Corsair lpx?

I believe it was the LPX ram, but bios's have matured more since then and even improved some for my current ram too.

 

[BlaezaLite]

imo, before saying anything maybe you should point that it aint works on me coz in my setup bla bla bla
it just looks like fanboys that say this brand is good and that brand is meh without bringing some example

Thank you for the advice, I shall bear that in mind.

I believe it was the IPX ram, but bios's have matured more since then and even improved some for my current ram too.

I'm using LPX with my R5 3600 and it's fine to me, but I just saw others saying this and that about it. Moral of the story is go with facts and not "So and so said this".

 

[AsRock]

Thank you for the advice, I shall bear that in mind.


I'm using LPX with my R5 3600 and it's fine to me, but I just saw others saying this and that about it. Moral of the story is go with facts and not "So and so said this".

The warning were out a few years ago and was not just in my thread, but things change so maybe that would work better these days.

Finally buildiing a new system ( AM4 )

The parts i am looking at are AMD Ryzen 9 3900X CORSAIR VENGEANCELPX16GB (2x 8GB) ASRock X570 Pro 4 As i am not planning to upgrade again for some time and do know that the 3900X is way more than i need, as far as i can tell the memory should be ok. I am not bothered about wifi and all that...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ir_cow]

Not doing anything more than "Memory Try It" in that case.

No no, don't do that. Those profiles are pretty unreliable. Either its super tight or lose. Both apply stupid voltages becuse its generic.

You can better off just sticking to XMP or manually entering the frequency, timings and voltages.

Whatever you do would run memory stability tests just to make sure. Boot into Windows DOES NOT count as stable.

 

[qubit]

Trying to help someone on LTT forums and some guy is asking for proof that what I'm saying is true. Help me out people!

Sounds like a difficult member. Tell him you've seen people mention it generally on forums and that you don't care whether he believes you or not. I've found that a very effective way to stop them constantly hassling you with it. You may have to say it more than once if they try different angles.

There's loads of things I know through general life experience, as does anybody, so attempting to pressure that person with "prove it", is just being an ass, especially when you've told them that's how you know.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

I seem to remember someone mentioning that Ryzen didnt like odd numbered timings, I forget if it was for all three generations or not.

 

[ThrashZone]

I seem to remember someone mentioning that Ryzen didnt like odd numbered timings, I forget if it was for all three generations or not.

Hi,
I used even numbers on most timings on intel to.

 

[rslayerr]

i have corsair vengeance rgb pro sl ,32g 3600mhz....rock solid since day one..nothing to say here...they are cl18...i didnt try to lower it,since my system is plenty fast enough..lol...its on a aorus elite wifi with 5800x...

 

[tabascosauz]

Not doing anything more than "Memory Try It" in that case.

The OS/disk corruption doesn't come from overclocking memory. It comes from running an unstable profile, which can happen at any bad combination of settings and VDIMM. Unless you've memtested with something like HCI, TM5 or Karhu, you aren't certain of anything, even on conservative profiles. The 1-click OC functions, whether CPU or mem, are generally a pretty stupid/bad idea - both because you don't learn anything from using it, and it tries to look for standardization where standardization doesn't exist.

If you are working on memory on your daily where you value your data, you can grab a cheap or old SSD lying around, load up a very minimal installation of Windows (helps with benchmark scores too), and unplug all other drives when you're working out your mem profiles or memtesting. But M.2 complicates things, which is why I just leave my daily at a decent spot (3800CL14) and do all my more adventurous stuff on my HTPC where I don't mind having to reflash BIOS or reinstall Win.

I seem to remember someone mentioning that Ryzen didnt like odd numbered timings, I forget if it was for all three generations or not.

There are only a few timings in particular that are affected by Geardown or other related timings, making them even numbered only. For most users they're just concerned with tCL, and it's not really one of the prominent causes of no-POST for newer Ryzen.

Generally it's just good to buy kits with newer ICs, or B-die. I have a couple of ancient kits lying around (my treasured 4Gb E-die, some 4Gb AFR, some questionable CJR, some unknown Micron), and most boards have a tougher time training older, slower, lower density ICs. Might just be slow training, need a few tries, or just doesn't know what to do. So don't buy old stock DDR4 from 5 years ago.

For Corsair, the Ryzen Compatible logo is a decent sign that the kit is newer, or a good B-die kit if the timings suggest it. For G.skill, if the product description mentions 6th Gen Intel, run for the hills (although, the 042 code always without exception tells you what's inside, at which point you can make an educated decision to run for the hills ).

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I remember the Zen 1 days having issues. Never heard of anything about it since then.

I actually never look at the QVC before buying ram/motherboard combos.

 

[BlaezaLite]

The OS/disk corruption doesn't come from overclocking memory. It comes from running an unstable profile, which can happen at any bad combination of settings and VDIMM. Unless you've memtested with something like HCI, TM5 or Karhu, you aren't certain of anything, even on conservative profiles. The 1-click OC functions, whether CPU or mem, are generally a pretty stupid/bad idea - both because you don't learn anything from using it, and it tries to look for standardization where standardization doesn't exist.

If you are working on memory on your daily where you value your data, you can grab a cheap or old SSD lying around, load up a very minimal installation of Windows (helps with benchmark scores too), and unplug all other drives when you're working out your mem profiles or memtesting. But M.2 complicates things, which is why I just leave my daily at a decent spot (3800CL14) and do all my more adventurous stuff on my HTPC where I don't mind having to reflash BIOS or reinstall Win.



There are only a few timings in particular that are affected by Geardown or other related timings, making them even numbered only. For most users they're just concerned with tCL, and it's not really one of the prominent causes of no-POST for newer Ryzen.

Generally it's just good to buy kits with newer ICs, or B-die. I have a couple of ancient kits lying around (my treasured 4Gb E-die, some 4Gb AFR, some questionable CJR, some unknown Micron), and most boards have a tougher time training older, slower, lower density ICs. So don't buy old stock DDR4 from 5 years ago.

For Corsair, the Ryzen Compatible logo is a decent sign that the kit is newer, or a good B-die kit if the timings suggest it. For G.skill, if the product description mentions 6th Gen Intel, run for the hills (although, the 042 code always without exception tells you what's inside, at which point you can make an educated decision to run for the hills ).

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I'm going to get up tomorrow and put my ram back to 3200 cl16 and leave it there. I tend to have meltdowns when things suddenly go kaput. Or do I run a memory test and see if there are errors? So confused.

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm going to get up tomorrow and put my ram back to 3200 cl16 and leave it there. I tend to have meltdowns when things suddenly go kaput. Or do I run a memory test and see if there are errors? So confused.

If you've already lasted this long it's probably a good sign. Easy way to tell is run

sfc /scannow
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth

in powershell.

I'd recommend TM5, because it's now been updated to be an out-of-the-box 1-click solution. Just extract and run as admin. HCI is a little more complicated because you have to open multiple instances of the free version, and Karhu is paid. Probably some other testing softwares out there now but these 3 are the OGs.

Memory Testing with TestMem5 TM5 with custom configs | Overclock.net

You can run the 3800CL18 and maybe look at tightening up a bit, or just leave it as is. 3200CL16 is going to sacrifice a good chunk of Fabric speed.

 

[BlaezaLite]

I will run that TM5 tomorrow and hope everything is fine. I regret using the 1 click ram oc cause I don't know my ass from my elbow and getting older now just makes things even more difficult, as well as ADHD. I did notice I lost 200 points off cinebench going to 3600 with the same timings. I'm determined to get my head round memory but panicking I'm going to get something wrong and destroy my os.

 

[ThrashZone]

I'm going to get up tomorrow and put my ram back to 3200 cl16 and leave it there. I tend to have meltdowns when things suddenly go kaput. Or do I run a memory test and see if there are errors? So confused.

Hi,
Hwinfo64 sensors only all the way at the bottom of the list will show whea error counts if any exist

Easy free test I start out with is pretty funny it's simply using cmd as admin and type winsat mem

Then just move on the aida64 extreme where you can get a paid copy for less than 2.us just look for warrantied to activate I got mine this way and works fine
Good for seeing how latency is going during timing changes

Other than that just free benchmarks like any of the 3dmark freebies

You can also use performance test it's an all system test

Download PassMark PerformanceTest - PC Benchmark Software

Benchmark the speed of your PC computer hardware, then compare the result to other machines. Includes disk, 3D and CPU tests.

www.passmark.com

 

[tabascosauz]

I will run that TM5 tomorrow and hope everything is fine. I regret using the 1 click ram oc cause I don't know my ass from my elbow and getting older now just makes things even more difficult, as well as ADHD. I did notice I lost 200 points off cinebench going to 3600 with the same timings. I'm determined to get my head round memory but panicking I'm going to get something wrong and destroy my os.

Don't worry yourself sick over it. Windows isn't THAT fragile. Takes a few days of very irresponsible OCing to start messing with my Windows on my 5700G, and only after a lot of abuse (or actual hardware failure) do I have to reinstall.

You're not running any risk by just memtesting your current profile anyway.

As for 200 points, Cinebench doesn't scale much with memory on Ryzen. 200pts is well within run-to-run variance.

 

[BlaezaLite]

I've more benches than a garden center. I'll just keep trying until I fuck up windows or my PC is fast as fook.

 

[ThrashZone]

I've more benches than a garden center. I'll just keep trying until I fuck up windows or my PC is fast as took.

Hi,
Only trick is testing before and after changes so you can gauge how well changes go.

One trick using free reflect is you can add a winpe recovery option to your boot menu if you don't have a flash drive handy.