Intel 13th Gen Support?

[innercy]

Hi @unclewebb I have strix scar 16. May i request ts 9.5.1. cheers.

 

[girizgah]

That is correct. TS 9.5 does not work correctly on 13th Gen CPUs. I will send you a download link to a TS beta version that should work OK.

May I request 9.5.1 version also, to use in my 660m + 13700kf setup? @unclewebb

 

[mrlulo]

could I get the link for the 9.5.1 version, I got a 13950hx

 

[ColinMacLaren]

Hey @unclewebb

thank you for providing a link to the Throttlestop 9.5.1 beta. I have an Acer Helios 16 with a 13900HX. Both undervolting and overclocking were locked., I disabled the switch for Overclocking lock with grub_setup_var Releases · XDleader555/grub_setup_var (github.com)

I can happily report that setting TPL and clock speeds is working just fine with the new Throttlestop build Undervolting is stoill locked. Flipping the Undervolt Proetection switch in the hidden bios does not change this.

What does however work is undervolting via loadline. AC/DC Loadine is 1.700 mv at their default values. I reduced AC to 1.000mv and saw a nice 8-10%% increase in both clock speeds and Cinebench Score. I can change the register with setup_var and HWINFO will correctly report reduced AC loadline. However, after a second reboot it is back to its original value.
I wonder if it is possible at all to add live loadline adjustment to Throttlestop.

I can happily provide you with dumps or IRF-Extraction.

Regards,

Colin

 

[unclewebb]

add live loadline adjustment to Throttlestop

I agree that this would be useful but I do not have any future plans for ThrottleStop at the moment. I have lost interest in fixing the problems that Intel is creating.

 

[Zysor]

May I also request 9.5.1 version, just got a lenovo legion 5 with an 13500hx. Thank you unclewebb for Throttlestop, it's a must have for every laptop!

 

[Burmecian Knight]

I have a MSI B760i(changed microcode to104)and a 13600KF, may I have the beta as well?
Thanks in advance

 

[JoeBear]

Hi @unclewebb, I just got a Lenovo Legion with the i9-13900HX. Could I please get the link for 9.5.1? And thank you for Throttlestop!

 

[girizgah]

i7 13700kf here on TUF GAMING B660M-E D4:

-With BIOS 1620, I had no bios option to disable "Undervolt Protection".

-I downgraded the BIOS, but I immediately lost the 13th gen support So no boot at all, no POST screen even. I had to use a Celeron g6900 to upgrade the BIOS again (Nice and very efficient CPU with iGPU btw, 35 C at full load R23 with AIO ).

-Upgrading to BIOS 2014, I got the option "Undervolt Protection" in bios. But I accidentally updated the Intel ME to the latest version. So I had to upgrade BIOS to 2212 for better compatibility.

-In BIOS 2212, I still have the option "Undervolt Protection" that can be disabled. But no matter what I try with all these three BIOSes, I couldn't undervolt using Throttlestop. In fact, even built-in BIOS undervolting seems to have no effect in runtime.

Then, I noticed the BIOS option to "switch microcode to 104". After changing microcode to 104, I am now able to use Throttlestop 9.5.1 to undervolt (-150.4 mV). My cinebench r23 score past 30k with max temps around 80-85C with AIO 240mm cooling. I then limited the core multiplier to 51. Now, temps don't exceed 80 C during benchmarking. ~55 C during casual gaming.

Thanks for the author's great help

 

[Andi36]

Hey , sorry for my english! I have a Raptor lake i7 in my MSi kantana notebook , i will deactivate Virtual Maschine , Core Memory Isolation , i will Go in the bios disable Undervolting Protection, Set e Core , p Core , Ring Core - 60 , i Go to Windows Open hwmonitor and i See dont work …Maybe only Works throttlestop 9.5.1? Or other idea?
I have a I7 13620H

 

[Melldorwin]

I have tried 9,5 and 9,5,1 back and forth and don’t see any difference really. E-core undervolt doesn’t do any notacible to temps or clock speeds.

my 13980hx works just fine with 9.5 and I have undervolted core -150 and cache -100. Notacible difference in clockspeeds under load.

what about iccmax, any difference with the higher values in the beta (511 vs 255.75) is it safe pushing this to the max on the core/cache?

can’t see a real difference in thermal velocity boost eather. On/off??

 

[Andi36]

I have tried 9,5 and 9,5,1 back and forth and don’t see any difference really. E-core undervolt doesn’t do any notacible to temps or clock speeds.

my 13980hx works just fine with 9.5 and I have undervolted core -150 and cache -100. Notacible difference in clockspeeds under load.

what about iccmax, any difference with the higher values in the beta (511 vs 255.75) is it safe pushing this to the max on the core/cache?

can’t see a real difference in thermal velocity boost eather. On/

Ok i dont can change the options Core and Cache in Version 9.5 with my 13620h!

 

[unclewebb]

can’t see a real difference in thermal velocity boost either

When Thermal Velocity Boost is checked in the FIVR window, the CPU will slow down 100 MHz when it reaches approximately 70°C. At most, that is only going to be a 2% difference on a CPU that is running at 5000 MHz. It would be very difficult to notice that difference one way or the other in any day to day use. I like maximum performance so I recommend clearing the Thermal Velocity Boost box. What Intel calls boost actually throttles the CPU. If you have a hot running laptop, leaving Thermal Velocity Boost checked so the CPU slows down 100 MHz when it starts getting hot is not such a bad idea.

511 vs 255.75

If your CPU is not EDP throttling with IccMax set to 255.75 then being able to raise IccMax up to 511.75 is not going to make any difference.

is it safe pushing this to the max on the core/cache?

This is only a limit. The CPU will only consume as much power and flow as much current as it needs to. Setting this limit sky high is like playing a game of limbo where you set the bar 12 feet high instead of 6 feet high. Will it make any difference? Probably not. Leave this at the default setting if you do not feel comfortable raising it.

Thanks for your feedback.

13620h

I think only the HX and K series processors support CPU voltage control. The regular H series will likely show Not Available in the FIVR window.

 

[Melldorwin]

When Thermal Velocity Boost is checked in the FIVR window, the CPU will slow down 100 MHz when it reaches approximately 70°C. At most, that is only going to be a 2% difference on a CPU that is running at 5000 MHz. It would be very difficult to notice that difference one way or the other in any day to day use. I like maximum performance so I recommend clearing the Thermal Velocity Boost box. What Intel calls boost actually throttles the CPU. If you have a hot running laptop, leaving Thermal Velocity Boost checked so the CPU slows down 100 MHz when it starts getting hot is not such a bad idea.


If your CPU is not EDP throttling with IccMax set to 255.75 then being able to raise IccMax up to 511.75 is not going to make any difference.


This is only a limit. The CPU will only consume as much power and flow as much current as it needs to. Setting this limit sky high is like playing a game of limbo where you set the bar 12 feet high instead of 6 feet high. Will it make any difference? Probably not. Leave this at the default setting if you do not feel comfortable raising it.

Thanks for your feedback.


I think only the HX and K series processors support CPU voltage control. The regular H series will likely show Not Available in the FIVR window.

Thanks for the reply.
My cpu is not running hot. So I will uncheck it then. And I will check if EDP Other lights up or don’t with 511,75 vs 255,75.

But if I can’t hurt anything I can just crank it up to the max anyway?
Better ask and be safe than sorry

you are correct. H processor is locked. In laptops only the HX is unlocked for undervolt/overclock

 

[unclewebb]

But if I can’t hurt anything I can just crank it up to the max anyway?

It is your call. Just because I would jump off a bridge does not mean you should.

I think Intel would not have doubled the allowed IccMax value when they introduced their 12th Gen CPUs unless it was reasonably safe to do so. Both the 12th and 13th Gen support higher IccMax values. I do not see a lot of reports of these CPUs catching on fire. That is why I think it is safe to set IccMax to 511.75.

 

[Burmecian Knight]

Still testing, seems I can't go any higher than that(thou I'm using ddr4 3600)
single core fluctuates between 1975-2000
Temps are lot better now 81c

 

[unclewebb]

I can't go any higher than that

The maximum multiplier for the P cores is 51 if you have a B760 or B660 motherboard. Watch ThrottleStop while Cinebench is running. If you see 51.00, that is as good as it gets. A Cinebench score in the low 24000 point range sounds about right. Some people exit any useless background tasks and run Cinebench at a higher Windows priority to get a few more points.

81c

Much better temps is always a good thing.

 

[phanpc]

Hi @unclewebb I've just bought legion 7i pro. May i request ts 9.5.1 download link. thank you very much.

 

[Melldorwin]

It is your call. Just because I would jump off a bridge does not mean you should.

I think Intel would not have doubled the allowed IccMax value when they introduced their 12th Gen CPUs unless it was reasonably safe to do so. Both the 12th and 13th Gen support higher IccMax values. I do not see a lot of reports of these CPUs catching on fire. That is why I think it is safe to set IccMax to 511.75.

EDP other was lighting up when set to 255, 75 and not when set to 511.75. Doesent really notice any difference in performance between the two. Need to do more testing.

I get 34.000p i Cinebench R23 if i push it and tweak all values in turbo-mode (175w max PL2). And 31.700p in performance-mode (120w max cpu PL2)

With no undervolt i get around 29.000p. So a pretty good increase.

I run the ASUS Armory crate software to be able to switch modes on the fly and it seems to be working pretty good with Throttlestop. No real interferance between the two.

i havent really got much lower temps than stock, but i see a great increase in cpu speed under load.. Probally around 3-400mhz more when undervolted.

Temps are usually around 85c but can peak shortly to 95c depending on game. But thats pretty good considering a laptop pushing 5ghz+

 

[jgalewsk]

Could I get a link to 9.5.1 please? Want to get these temps under control on my new Legion 7i 13900HX! Thanks!

 

[Melldorwin]

Could I get a link to 9.5.1 please? Want to get these temps under control on my new Legion 7i 13900HX! Thanks!

What temps you get?

 

[jgalewsk]

What temps you get?

Temps definitely depend on the game or program. I haven’t set up 9.5.1 yet (just received the link from unclewebb today). I used 9.5 for the last few days. I was able to get -130mv on the core and cache. That was rock solid stable in Throttlestop’s built in benchmark, Prime95, and R23. Had a few tiny hiccups here and there in windows. Pulled it back to -125mv and problems went away… until I started testing games. All games were fine except for a few EA games (Battlefront 2, BF1, BF5). Those would only start the game at -100mV offset. So, I set up 2 profiles in Throttlestop. One at -125 as default, and another at -100 when I start EA Launcher lol.

I saw a decent 5-15C drop in most games and programs. Obviously, there were still 95-98C spikes when loading because I haven’t touched the turbo frequencies or power limits at all. Typical AAA games are 75-83C on the CPU. GPU is rock solid at 70-78C at full 2450-2500MHz. This laptop gets the job done and more. No throttling whatsoever. Love it!

Only thing I noticed that may irritate some people is the keyboard gets quite TOASTY! For shooters, it’s not too bad since your left hand is left of center. But if you had to type regularly while this thing is full tilt, your hands will definitely be sweating lol.

 

[jesseakt]

@unclewebb, I have a laptop with a i9-13900HX. Could I get a link for 9.5.1? Cheers and thanks for your efforts!

 

[Melldorwin]

Temps definitely depend on the game or program. I haven’t set up 9.5.1 yet (just received the link from unclewebb today). I used 9.5 for the last few days. I was able to get -130mv on the core and cache. That was rock solid stable in Throttlestop’s built in benchmark, Prime95, and R23. Had a few tiny hiccups here and there in windows. Pulled it back to -125mv and problems went away… until I started testing games. All games were fine except for a few EA games (Battlefront 2, BF1, BF5). Those would only start the game at -100mV offset. So, I set up 2 profiles in Throttlestop. One at -125 as default, and another at -100 when I start EA Launcher lol.

I saw a decent 5-15C drop in most games and programs. Obviously, there were still 95-98C spikes when loading because I haven’t touched the turbo frequencies or power limits at all. Typical AAA games are 75-83C on the CPU. GPU is rock solid at 70-78C at full 2450-2500MHz. This laptop gets the job done and more. No throttling whatsoever. Love it!

Only thing I noticed that may irritate some people is the keyboard gets quite TOASTY! For shooters, it’s not too bad since your left hand is left of center. But if you had to type regularly while this thing is full tilt, your hands will definitely be sweating lol.

I think the 13gen dont like typ much CPU p-cache undervolt. I have my CPU core at -140 and cache at -100

I have the 9.5.1 beta and no real difference between 9.5 and 9.5.1 in temps or anything. Your fine with 9.5.
I get the same as you sometimes it spikes to even 100c but mostly around 75-85c on the cpu. No throttling.

I haven’t touched any frequency’s or PL1/PL2 because why have a Ferrari and use it like an old cheap car? Just run it like it’s meant. the spikes is no problem. I would be worried if the avg temp was 90-100c. But spikes doesn’t matter.

As you say. They don’t throttle. So just run it the way it’s ment

 

[Tijgert]

Hello unclewebb, can I pretty please also get the link for TS 9.5.1?
Can't wait to see what it does to my 13900HX in my watercooled laptop (Medion X40).