Intel Core i5-12600K

[R0H1T]

What I saw in this review is that the 12600k is on par with 5800x on many counts.

So is the 5600x, depends a lot on what you're measuring though.

Based on what I've read, DDR4 modules are compatible.

Not on the same board, unless I've missed some that support dual (types of) memory.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Nice chip. think i will be having me a 12600k setup very soon.

 

[wheresmycar]

I don't know why I get sucked into all that pre-launch hype "EVERYTIME". I was expecting something more, more faster and less on the power consumption. Seems like an ordinary next Gen jump to push past ZEN 3. AMD will reply with the same.. and so on. Both AMD and Intel are taking the pee pee with pricing hence the competition doesn't help the consumer.

Intels AL mobo pricing....YUCK!

Dunno how fat all your pockets are but mine are saying stay well away from these daylight robbers. For 1440p gaming, I can't see anything special enough to consider an upgrade over my current 7700K setup. Certainly not worth forking out $500+ for (unless specific game/core requirements suggest otherwise).

EDIT: just venting!!!!! I wanna/needa/shoulda upgradee!

 

[cst1992]

Not on the same board, unless I've missed some that support dual (types of) memory.

No, not on the same board. The Z690 Hero that TPU uses supports only DDR5, whereas the Prime Z690-P D4 supports only DDR4. Both support LGA1700.

 

[The King]

Based on what I've read, DDR4 modules are compatible.

Yes but you have to go for either a DDR4 board or DDR5 board. Going to a new Platform and sticking to DDR4 seems like a step backwards.
Review for DDR4 boards will answer this question. Still cost of the LGA 1700 boards have to be factored in with the cost of the 12XX CPUS.
So it adds to overall cost at the end of the day.

 

[R0H1T]

Similar prices? I'm assuming DDR4 boards could be cheaper?

No, not on the same board. The Z690 Hero that TPU uses supports only DDR5, whereas the Prime Z690-P D4 supports only DDR4. Both support LGA1700.

Also with unlocked processors & basically unlimited turbo you better get a good board now!

 

[cst1992]

Yes but you have to go for either a DDR4 board or DDR5 board. Going to a new Platform and sticking to DDR4 seems like a step backwards.

Apart from DDR4 support, the boards support most other features of 12th gen like PCIe 5.0. So for those willing to wait for matured DDR5 it seems like a good stepping stone.
But if you're willing to wait, best to wait until Alder Lake launches proper.

 

[dir_d]

If i were buying today it would be ADL on a DDR4 board but i mainly game and this 5600x works just fine at 4k.

 

[prtskg]

About power consumption method Wizzard, why not use average for single thread tests and multiple thread tests? It will be better, more rounded value, than using any particular tests. Thanks for all the tests though.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yes but you have to go for either a DDR4 board or DDR5 board. Going to a new Platform and sticking to DDR4 seems like a step backwards.
Review for DDR4 boards will answer this question. Still cost of the LGA 1700 boards have to be factored in with the cost of the 12XX CPUS.
So it adds to overall cost at the end of the day.

If you already own a Zen 3 capable motherboard and aren't interested in PCIe 5.0 and have no need of additional 4.0 lanes for storage, then the case for doing anything more than buying a Zen 3 for an upgrade isn't very good.

However for anyone on older hardware where they will need a new motherboard + CPU, I think it would be dumb to not do an Alder Lake upgrade given these results and current pricing. This would pretty much apply to anyone on Intel who is planning to upgrade, anyone on Zen 1 or 1.5, and many on Zen 2 if their motherboard does not support Zen 3.

That is a pretty narrow set who might upgrade to Zen 3 based on empirical results and not just feelings. It really just leaves people who have Zen 2 and compatible motherboards and don't intend to do more than a CPU upgrade, maybe those who have a 5600X and want to go to a 5900 or 5950X, where Zen 3 makes sense.

 

[Dyatlov A]

Awesome processor, this good priced i5 beats all AMD processors in single thread use and in gaming. I want one!

 

[mechtech]

and hopefully not totally fucked up like that 5900X that another reviewer borrowed. It can't even run 1600 MHz Infinity Fabric now. When asked about replacement my AMD contacts said "we can't help", and my emails to another AMD contact got ignored

Wow. That’s too bad. I guess I can understand AMDs point. If people are going to ruin chips not much incentive to give them away for nothing. But should have been the other reviewer. Not TPU.

 

[HD64G]

There is no "much higher board cost", just cheaper CPUs.
Z690 boards cost roughly the same as X570 boards. AMD made us pay the X570 tax for about a year before releasing B550, Intel will follow up on Z690 in about 3 months.

For now, B550 offers max performance for Zen3 and cost at least $100 or 100 euros less than Z690 though. In 3 months, Zen3D might get in the front again and this discussion could be irrelevant.

What'd they do, beat it with a hammer?

They must have heavily OCed the SOC to reach and stabilise very high RAM frequency. That, rapidly deteriorates the MC in the CPU.

 

[cst1992]

In 3 months, Zen3D might get in the front again and this discussion could be irrelevant.

Personally, I'm looking to get a 5600x but now I'm thinking I should wait until Vermeer-X3D reviews surface.

 

[R0H1T]

Zen3D might get in the front again and this discussion could be irrelevant.

It will gain a lot in gaming, that's for sure but (other) applications would be even more interesting.

 

[The King]

If you already own a Zen 3 capable motherboard and aren't interested in PCIe 5.0 and have no need of additional 4.0 lanes for storage, then the case for doing anything more than buying a Zen 3 for an upgrade isn't very good.

However for anyone on older hardware where they will need a new motherboard + CPU, I think it would be dumb to not do an Alder Lake upgrade given these results and current pricing. This would pretty much apply to anyone on Intel who is planning to upgrade, anyone on Zen 1 or 1.5, and many on Zen 2 if their motherboard does not support Zen 3.

That is a pretty narrow set who might upgrade to Zen 3 based on empirical results and not just feelings. It really just leaves people who have Zen 2 and compatible motherboards and don't intend to do more than a CPU upgrade, maybe those who have a 5600X and want to go to a 5900 or 5950X, where Zen 3 makes sense.

If Zen1 thought us anything is that first revisions are always buggy and most of these are ironed out in the next revision or two with better performance and efficiency.
ADL does have its fair share of issues along high power consumption under full load. Also Windows 11 is still buggy with ADL.

If your GPU is bottled necked by your CPU or you upgraded from your 1080p 60hz monitor to a 1440p 240hz or 360hz monitor which
is a very niche market according to steam. Vast majority of gamer's are still on 1080p 60hz and others on 1440p 144hz at least the ones that I know.

Then you get those who suffer from CUD.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Great to see 5600X and 5800X eat dust due to AMD's pricing policy. AMD will have to lower prices now. I'm waiting on 5600X/5800X to come down to sub $170/250 space before buying. IF AMD stays greedy, I'll have to opt for 12400F or 12600KF. I love good competition.

 

[Turmania]

Apart from DDR4 support, the boards support most other features of 12th gen like PCIe 5.0. So for those willing to wait for matured DDR5 it seems like a good stepping stone.
But if you're willing to wait, best to wait until Alder Lake launches proper.

 

[Bruno_O]

Great to see 5600X and 5800X eat dust due to AMD's pricing policy. AMD will have to lower prices now. I'm waiting on 5600X/5800X to come down to sub $170/250 space before buying. IF AMD stays greedy, I'll have to opt for 12400F or 12600KF. I love good competition.

then pair a 12600KF with a Z690 motherboard, and end up with the same platform cost a 5800X + B550 would cost... (using DDR4 on both)
~5% better at 1080p gaming and PCI-E 5.0 make it worth it, for now
but as someone said, if we do get +15% on 5800X 3D in 3 months as AMD promised, you'd be losing ~10% performance in gaming, again at the same cost

Personally, I will wait for Zen 4 and whatever Lake after AL. And I did expect more of AL as per "impressive" leaks... 9% better than a 5600X while using 50W more at 720p is not great.

 

[Meanhx]

If Zen1 thought us anything is that first revisions are always buggy and most of these are ironed out in the next revision or two with better performance and efficiency.
ADL does have its fair share of issues along high power consumption under full load. Also Windows 11 is still buggy with ADL.

I agree, if you can wait I think you should. I think that in a year or so when 13th gen launches it will be worth upgrading, by then bios, OS and other software will have matured to take advantage of and work well almost always with the "big.little" design. We will have more cheap motherboards on the market and DDR5 will have matured a bit.

 

[looniam]

on a side note:
having had, albeit briefly, a B560 mobo its damned silly to buy a Z chipset anymore for most stuff ie. gaming; unless you need the pci-e/nvme expansion.(x4/x8 DMI lanes).
but hey, throw away $100+ . . i guess.

 

[WhoDecidedThat]

In Igor Lab's review, (<- linked here) they measure CPU power consumption when gaming -

and measure watts consumed per fps.

Just putting it out there as an additional data point to consider.

 

[Agent_D]

According to Igor Lab's review (<- linked here) where they measure CPU power consumption when gaming -

and measure watts consumed per fps

Alder Lake is doing very very well.

Stuff like this is why I like to see multiple measurement points for power consumption. Having multiple measurements gives a much broader audience the information they need to decide if they want whatever the product is.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

then pair a 12600KF with a Z690 motherboard, and end up with the same platform cost a 5800X + B550 would cost... (using DDR4 on both)
~5% better at 1080p gaming and PCI-E 5.0 make it worth it, for now
but as someone said, if we do get +15% on 5800X 3D in 3 months as AMD promised, you'd be losing ~10% performance in gaming, again at the same cost

Personally, I will wait for Zen 4 and whatever Lake after AL. And I did expect more of AL as per "impressive" leaks... 9% better than a 5600X while using 50W more at 720p is not great.

I'd never buy overpriced Z MB. I'll wait on B or even A MB... These should be priced between $100 and $150. I'm upgrading to whatever gives me most bang for a buck in February/March. Be it AMD or Intel. Value is all that matters to me and 'll finally have a lot of very compelling options to choose from in 2022. I hope Intel brings the same heat to dGPU market too.

 

[W1zzard]

About power consumption method Wizzard, why not use average for single thread tests and multiple thread tests? It will be better, more rounded value, than using any particular tests. Thanks for all the tests though.

What do you mean? Somehow measure the several hours mix of all my benchmarks? What about the idle time between tests? Bench startup time? Also many of my tests are neither "single-threaded" not "fully multi-threaded". Now you can interpolate your scenario because you know 1T = x W and nT = y W.