Intel Core i9-10900K

Ruru · May 28, 2020

cmaxvt said:
The real question is.. when are these gonna be back in stock. They're sold out everywhere..and now that I'm finally not just playing Rocket League, my OC'd 3770k is starting to really show it's age xD

The new Intels are always sold out immediately (which I don't understand since this is Skylake 5.0, but I guess Intel's milking works), takes a while that you can really buy them.

I'm kicking with 2600K as I sold my R5 2600 + B450, this runs RE games and that's fair enough.

N3M3515 · May 28, 2020

Chloe Price said:
The new Intels are always sold out immediately (which I don't understand since this is Skylake 5.0, but I guess Intel's milking works), takes a while that you can really buy them.

I'm kicking with 2600K as I sold my R5 2600 + B450, this runs RE games and that's fair enough.

Low supply

Ruru · May 28, 2020

N3M3515 said:
Low supply

Exactly, there's more demand than they can manufacture.

theGryphon · May 28, 2020

Chloe Price said:
Exactly, there's more demand than they can manufacture.

Well, you can manufacture 1000 units and claim that statement (as many companies did many times). Or, you can manufacture 10,000,000 and state it. Which one is it now? No telling without actual data...

Ruru · May 28, 2020

theGryphon said:
Well, you can manufacture 1000 units and claim that statement (as many companies did many times). Or, you can manufacture 10,000,000 and state it. Which one is it now? No telling without actual data...

They need to put a number in those like in limited editions.

Mals · May 28, 2020

You are right that on release intel usually sells out quickly. I'm just wondering what the normal cadence is for stuff being back in stock. Was about to pull the trigger on a new build and they sold out everywhere.

Just for kicks - anyone have opinion on i7 vs i9? I'm leaning i7 right now as I am almost entirely using this for gaming and light workloads. Not sure it's worth the premium for the i9 without needing it for things like encoding/etc.

N3M3515 · May 28, 2020

cmaxvt said:
You are right that on release intel usually sells out quickly. I'm just wondering what the normal cadence is for stuff being back in stock. Was about to pull the trigger on a new build and they sold out everywhere.

Just for kicks - anyone have opinion on i7 vs i9? I'm leaning i7 right now as I am almost entirely using this for gaming and light workloads. Not sure it's worth the premium for the i9 without needing it for things like encoding/etc.

Obviously I5 10600k, the only one worth anything.

Mals · May 28, 2020

N3M3515 said:
Obviously I5 10600k, the only one worth anything.

Nah I prefer the i7 honestly. Last gen I bought I originally bought the i5 3570k and upgraded to the i7-3770k and it made a significant difference in minimum FPS. part of it was a few 100 more mhz of overclock, and part of it was possibly more threads. All I know is in all the games I tested, I was seeing 20-30 FPS higher on the minimum end, and that's the whole reason I'm upgrading CPU.

N3M3515 · May 28, 2020

cmaxvt said:
Nah I prefer the i7 honestly. Last gen I bought I originally bought the i5 3570k and upgraded to the i7-3770k and it made a significant difference in minimum FPS. part of it was a few 100 more mhz of overclock, and part of it was possibly more threads. All I know is in all the games I tested, I was seeing 20-30 FPS higher on the minimum end, and that's the whole reason I'm upgrading CPU.

i5 is the same performance in games than 10900k rofl....

cmaxvt said:
Nah I prefer the i7 honestly. Last gen I bought I originally bought the i5 3570k and upgraded to the i7-3770k and it made a significant difference in minimum FPS. part of it was a few 100 more mhz of overclock, and part of it was possibly more threads. All I know is in all the games I tested, I was seeing 20-30 FPS higher on the minimum end, and that's the whole reason I'm upgrading CPU.

There you go

Mals · May 28, 2020

N3M3515 said:
i5 is the same performance in games than 10900k rofl....

There you go

i7 isn't on there!

N3M3515 · May 28, 2020

cmaxvt said:
i7 isn't on there!

Sorry but i don't get it, why would you need an i7 if the i5 is on par with even the i9 on gaming (which is you main focus)

Mals · May 28, 2020

N3M3515 said:
Sorry but i don't get it, why would you need an i7 if the i5 is on par with even the i9 on gaming (which is you main focus)

I currently have the 4 core/8 thread 3770k. Although my primary use is gaming, I still run multiple apps and have streamed at times. Plus I run a virtual desktop for my work now with WFH. It's worth me having more cores and a little more horsepower, but probably not worth it to go all the up to an i9, especially considering the power consumption. i7 seems like a nice compromise without being SOLELY for gaming.

dgianstefani · May 28, 2020

The way techpowerup tests, the i5 and the i9 don't really show much difference, but other sites with more comprehensive testing show better 1% lows for the i9 and i7

The i9 also has consistently higher hfr gaming results than another other cpu.

Caring1 · May 28, 2020

cmaxvt said:
Nah I prefer the i7 honestly. Last gen I bought I originally bought the i5 3570k and upgraded to the i7-3770k and it made a significant difference in minimum FPS. part of it was a few 100 more mhz of overclock, and part of it was possibly more threads. All I know is in all the games I tested, I was seeing 20-30 FPS higher on the minimum end, and that's the whole reason I'm upgrading CPU.

Comparing Apples and Oranges there.
The i5-3570k was good, but not capable of competing with the best i7 of the day, which is exactly what the i5-10600k is doing as shown in tests.

Mals · May 28, 2020

Caring1 said:
Comparing Apples and Oranges there.
The i5-3570k was good, but not capable of competing with the best i7 of the day, which is exactly what the i5-10600k is doing as shown in tests.

Hmm. I've got time to wait since none of them are in stock, but I still feel like the i7 is the best option.

What do people think about overclocking now? BACK IN MY DAY... there wasn't all this turbo boosting and stuff. Per the review, it seems like this vague 2nd tier of turbo boost does the work, and you see very minimal gains from OC? When I overclocked my current chips it was just a massive increase in the floor for FPS on games.

N3M3515 · May 29, 2020

cmaxvt said:
Hmm. I've got time to wait since none of them are in stock, but I still feel like the i7 is the best option.

What do people think about overclocking now? BACK IN MY DAY... there wasn't all this turbo boosting and stuff. Per the review, it seems like this vague 2nd tier of turbo boost does the work, and you see very minimal gains from OC? When I overclocked my current chips it was just a massive increase in the floor for FPS on games.

Intel practically squeezed all the performance they can from 14mm by now i guess

JRMBelgium · May 30, 2020

dgianstefani said:
Testing still doesn't include 1% and 0.1% lows. Shame really since that's where you really see the differences in a CPU throttled game and one that is smooth, regardless of averages.

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It's noticable when you do include these results. E.g. the stock 10900k has higher 1% lows than the AMD 3900x average FPS.

You are 10000% correct!

HenrySomeone · May 30, 2020

LOL, that chart is just ... embarassing for AMD; yes, I know Far Cry 5 is pretty much their worst case scenario, but still - best vs best chip, Intel is over 40% better in average and 50(!!!) for the 1% lows, lmao. Sandy vs. Buldy all over again...

N3M3515 · May 30, 2020

HenrySomeone said:
LOL, that chart is just ... embarassing for AMD; yes, I know Far Cry 5 is pretty much their worst case scenario, but still - best vs best chip, Intel is over 40% better in average and 50(!!!) for the 1% lows, lmao. Sandy vs. Buldy all over again...

More like $400 chip vs $600 chip

dgianstefani · May 31, 2020

Do you mean the 10900k, a sub $500 chip, or the 10600k a sub $300 chip, both of which beat the 3950x, which is a $750 chip.

But yeah, AMD sure is the value gaming proposition right :laugh:

N3M3515 · May 31, 2020

dgianstefani said:
Do you mean the 10900k, a sub $500 chip, or the 10600k a sub $300 chip, both of which beat the 3950x, which is a $750 chip.

But yeah, AMD sure is the value gaming proposition right

That's right, $150 more for 10 fps, that's some beating!

dgianstefani · Jun 1, 2020

It's not 10fps though is it? Learn to read a graph. And $150 more for what? What are you comparing?

N3M3515 · Jun 1, 2020

dgianstefani said:
It's not 10fps though is it? Learn to read a graph. And $150 more for what? What are you comparing?

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Look at that DEMOLISHING!!, omg!, that's 1440p WITH a 2080ti btw.........

ThrashZone · Jun 1, 2020

N3M3515 said:
That's right, $150 more for 10 fps, that's some beating!

Hi,
No offense intended but you seem butthurt over this platform

dgianstefani · Jun 1, 2020

Oh right - you're linking non 1%/0.1% low CPU testing in 1440p... Right...

Wow what a surprise high resolution testing results in you actually testing the GPU far more than the CPU. Big think.

So in your mind a chart showing the r3 3300x as being within 5% of the gaming performance of a 10900k is accurate and not misleading at all. :laugh:

Disregard an average/1% low discrepancy of almost 90 FPS when actually in a CPU limited scenario :laugh:

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