Intel Launches 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake": Unmatched Overclocking and Gaming Performance

[Why_Me]

I'll be waiting for your posts bashing Intel for jacking up prices, and when AMD is suddenly the "good guy" again.

Back in the day .. 12 - 15 years ago if I had to guess, I used to post builds on a site called Tomshardware. I didn't become prejudiced until I started to get fed up with the AMD fanbois on there .. and it wasn't only there but another site called Guru3d. Ever since AMD got the drop on Intel they've become only worse.

That budget to mid-range build better have high-end cooling.

Tell me please how much cooling these cpu's require. OC is going the way of the manual transmission. It's for hobbyist and peeps who don't mind spending more on cooling for a few more FPS.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1634...e-i710700k-review-is-65w-comet-lake-an-option

Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Back in the day .. 12 - 15 years ago if I had to guess, I used to post builds on a site called Tomshardware. I didn't become prejudiced until I started to get fed up with the AMD fanbois on there .. and it wasn't only there but another site called Guru3d. Ever since AMD got the drop on Intel they've become only worse.

Fanboys are definitely the worse for sure and we need intel to get down to 10nm and be more competitive because everyone wins if we have 2 companies making good products...... The 11400F you are looking at is going to be great and assuming it's retail price sticks pretty close to 1k tray pricing its gonna be a very good value....

Everyone should try both though wish people could sit down with a 3900X or 10700k or 3700X or 10600k or 3600 etc and realize how close everything is these days.........

I have pretty extensive in person hand on experience with both and they are all great....

 

[sepheronx]

Hey, if this means I can pick up a 10900 or 10850 for cheap, I don't care.

I got a 10500 currently. Could either get a 11700 as well, which would finally take advantage of my ddr4 3600 ram (z490 gaming plus) and I could have the benefits of PCIE 4.0

But then again, there really isn't much to any benefit at all.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Hey, if this means I can pick up a 10900 or 10850 for cheap, I don't care.

I got a 10500 currently. Could either get a 11700 as well, which would finally take advantage of my ddr4 3600 ram (z490 gaming plus) and I could have the benefits of PCIE 4.0

But then again, there really isn't much to any benefit at all.

you can already get a 10850k for less then 400....why on earth you would get anything from this is beyond me, maybe the 11600k

 

[sepheronx]

you can already get a 10850k for less then 400....why on earth you would get anything from this is beyond me, maybe the 11600k

I'm trying to decide, that's why.

I'm thinking - would a 10850 be better or 11700 and be able to use PCIE 4.0?

Thinking out loud

 

[HenrySomeone]

That much for an 8 core?

5800x was actually selling for even more than that until just recently, although yeah, considering how close the i7 is specs wise and that you can get 10850k for as low as 350$, this i9 probably won't be a huge sales success...

 

[BSim500]

There's a truck-load of dumb fanboyism here all round. Both will charge what they think they can get away with. And if we're judging everyone on history, the $799 launch price of the FX-9590's didn't exactly make AMD "the people's charity" either when they initially thought it was going to crush the i7's of the day. I never will understand why people actively cheer on price rises just because the cardboard box packaging is orange & grey vs blue & white. They are both businesses, not football teams or religions.

Think of how completely insane it would sound to hear "Gee, I'm so glad the price of my Brother laser printer more than doubled vs the competition and Brother's own 3x previous models in the same range because HP has been stuck on the same render print speeds for 5 years", or "I hope every PSU manufacturer except Corsair go out of business because they're my favourite" or "The Coolermaster 212 EVO hasn't changed much. Therefore I think BeQuiet should increase their prices across their range..." That's exactly how completely f**king dumb CPU / GPU fanboys sound on tech sites on an almost daily basis but always seem to lack the self-awareness to step back and listen to how that would sound to talk the same way about literally any other component / peripheral in the same PC...

 

[ZoneDymo]

There's a truck-load of dumb fanboyism here all round. Both will charge what they think they can get away with. And if we're judging everyone on history, the $799 launch price of the FX-9590's didn't exactly make AMD "the people's charity" either when they initially thought it was going to crush the i7's of the day. I never will understand why people actively cheer on price rises just because the cardboard box packaging is orange & grey vs blue & white. They are both businesses, not football teams or religions.

well I said it many times but I will again, sure, lower prices is better for the consumer but we all have our own internal mindset about what is and isnt a "fair price" for something.
AMD had to claw back respect and trust from everywhere, consumers, businesses, everywhere and everyone, so they came out swinging with Ryzen, multi cores for the masses.

And with Ryzen they were outdoing Intel in a lot of areas, just not gaming and perhaps stuff like photoshop, now with the 5000 series they got the crown across the board and I think its only fair that a price jump accompanies such a feat.

Now with Intel its a bit of an opposite story, king of the hill with the 2600k and then it was all boring from there on, "if their isnt competition, there is no need to innovate" is I guess Intel's way, and then when Ryzen came out they had to answer and just slapped more cores on the same architecture over and over and over again... and NOW this frankenstein 11th series could have been something special....but it isnt, its teh same performance and maxes out at 8 cores and apperently is quite hot....and then they ask these prices....

and sure they can ask what they think they can get away with, but you mistake fanboyism here for potential clients voicing their opinion that no, in fact, they cannot get away with these prices, we wont be buying these.

 

[GerKNG]

"Launched Today"?

and why is there only one single listing in my whole country that allows for pre order (release 30.3.2021)

 

[B-Real]

Some:

"Intel will definitely be cheaper than the ridiculously expensive Zen3. "

Intel:
"11900K with 8 cores for $540."

AMD:

$550 5900X 12 cores with probably better single thread performance, overwhelmingly better multi thread performance yet lower power consumption: "Hold my beer!"

 

[HenrySomeone]

And where can you reliably get a $550 5900X even over 4 months after its release?

 

[agentnathan009]

The money saved by going with the cheaper yet faster intel build can be put towards other components such as a larger SSD or even a non existent gpu (damn you miners).

About $25 isn’t going to buy you much more of anything else. However, if that is what you can afford then so be thankful for AMD becoming competitive with Inte again and ultimately leading to that CPU being offered for the price that it is. We’re it not for Ryzen, that CPU would be $200 or more right now if AMD was still at deaths door.

 

[B-Real]

And where can you reliably get a $550 5900X even over 4 months after its release?

I was comparing MSRPs. You was able to buy it for $550 or EUR whatever at the start. I hope you admit it's not AMD's fault that the available 5900X are sold for 800 EUR. And don't worry, as soon as stocks will refill, they will go back to that 550 territory. Just asking: do you know how many 11900K will be available for $538?

 

[Basard]

this was the new CPU design they had to scale down to 14nm - probably better IPC, but high wattage is to be expected (but not bad thermals, 14nm is good for getting heat out)

Well, I guess it's not all bad then.... They should really change the name and model number a bit more to let people know it's actually new.

 

[HenrySomeone]

"

"Unmatched Overclocking and Gaming Performance"​

Where "unmatched" means what any reader would expect: slightly better in a couple of cases while drawing twice the power.

Twice the power, huh? Not in your average workloads and certainly not while gaming - actually AMD still manages to hold "the crown" in that regard:

 

[Deleted member 205776]

There's a truck-load of dumb fanboyism here all round. Both will charge what they think they can get away with. And if we're judging everyone on history, the $799 launch price of the FX-9590's didn't exactly make AMD "the people's charity" either when they initially thought it was going to crush the i7's of the day. I never will understand why people actively cheer on price rises just because the cardboard box packaging is orange & grey vs blue & white. They are both businesses, not football teams or religions.

Think of how completely insane it would sound to hear "Gee, I'm so glad the price of my Brother laser printer more than doubled vs the competition and Brother's own 3x previous models in the same range because HP has been stuck on the same render print speeds for 5 years", or "I hope every PSU manufacturer except Corsair go out of business because they're my favourite" or "The Coolermaster 212 EVO hasn't changed much. Therefore I think BeQuiet should increase their prices across their range..." That's exactly how completely f**king dumb CPU / GPU fanboys sound on tech sites on an almost daily basis but always seem to lack the self-awareness to step back and listen to how that would sound to talk the same way about literally any other component / peripheral in the same PC...

Finally someone with some sense.

 

[Deleted member 197223]

Just saw a 11700K for 4189 SEK/413€. And considering I gave 3999 SEK for my 8700K I'd say the price per core is decent. The price war is on regardless!
10 SEK = 0.99€. VAT = 25%

11:e Gen. Intel® Core™ i7-11700K

Max. turbohastighet: 5,0 GHz, 8 st processorkärnor, Socket 1200, Intel® Smart Cache: 16 MB, Överklockningsbar

www.netonnet.se

11:e Gen. Intel® Core™ i7-11700KF

Max. turbohastighet: 5,0 GHz, 8 st processorkärnor, Socket 1200, Ingen inbyggd grafik, Överklockningsbar

www.netonnet.se

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X med 8 st kärnor

Socket AM4, 8 st kärnor & 16 st trådar, Max Turbo 4,7 GHz, AMD StoreMI-teknik, Stöd för PCIe 4.0

www.netonnet.se

 

[sepheronx]

11700 $449 cad

Intel Core™ i7-11700 Processor, 2.5GHz w/ 8 Cores / 16 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

10850 $509 cad

Intel Core™ i9-10850K Processor, 3.6GHz w/ 10 Cores / 20 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

AMD 5800X $639 cad

AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X Processor, 3.8GHz w/ 8 Cores / 16 Threads - AMD AM4 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

Currently, at least for Canadians, the prices of the Intel is better. I of course rare if ever use a standard desktop these days and either use workstation processors (currently using a E5 1620 v3 in my workstation ) or a Intel 10500 ES chip in my desktop.

 

[Chrispy_]

Okay, so - my opinion:

All of the i9 models are stupid because of pricing for 8-core parts. They're not even competitive with their own existing products, let alone the competition, and we know they run HOT HOT HOT. We all thought 9th and 10th Gen were each as bad as it was going to get, but apparently Intel doesn't have a problem with 300W CPUs in a consumer socket.

All of the i3 models are pointless because of their stupid product segmentation cutting out performance, support, and features. If you don't need cores/performance get the G6405 for $64. It'll do practically everything any of the i3s do at the same speed and if you actually need multi-threaded performance, a pissy quad core isn't the answer.

The i7-11700/11700F look okay on paper. Street price of $100 less than a 5800X, give or take - a good match with some DDR4-3200 and a sensibly-priced H470 board. K series make little sense unless you're an Intel fanboy and want inferior performance and ridiculous power consumption and cost the same or more once you've been forced to spend on a Z-series board and premium RAM - which still won't close the gap to a 5800X with affordable B550/DDR4-3600.

The i5-11500F looks interesting as much cheaper 5600X competitor. No it won't be as fast or as efficient but there's no denying the $299 MSRP on the 5600X is too high. I expect the street price to be closer to $180 and if any Intel chip makes AMD release a cheaper 6-core Zen3 part, it'll be this one. IMO, this is the chip to buy in 2021 unless AMD responds.

 

[Deleted member 197223]

Cheap 3200mhz CL14 RAM has existed for at least 4 years since 2018. So why anyone (probably those coming from DDR3) would find it hard to keep their RAM when upgrading from Zen 1/2 or 6700K/7700K/8700K Skylake is anyone's guess. Or does the average consumer throw away everything when they upgrade?

 

[agentnathan009]

Finally someone with some sense.

Ugh, that is kind of how you sounded with the “I don’t support monopolies but I’m buying from the monopolistic company anyway because they are offer a product that is priced closer to what I am willing to pay” response earlier. I am attempting to help others who seem to lack any sense of how business work to understand that they have to cover costs. AMD’s margins per product have been fairly consistent over the past couple of years.

But let fanboyism reign supreme because you can’t buy what you want, when you want, how you want and at the price you want which sounds like a whole lot of selfishness with nary a drop of understanding of how a business works...

 

[Makaveli]

11700 $449 cad

Intel Core™ i7-11700 Processor, 2.5GHz w/ 8 Cores / 16 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

10850 $509 cad

Intel Core™ i9-10850K Processor, 3.6GHz w/ 10 Cores / 20 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

AMD 5800X $639 cad

AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X Processor, 3.8GHz w/ 8 Cores / 16 Threads - AMD AM4 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

Currently, at least for Canadians, the prices of the Intel is better. I of course rare if ever use a standard desktop these days and either use workstation processors (currently using a E5 1620 v3 in my workstation ) or a Intel 10500 ES chip in my desktop.

Why did you choose to add the 11700 and not the 11700k which is $559 CAD, while the other models are the highend ones?

Wouldn't it be more consitent to compare all unlocked K and X models?

Intel Core™ i7-11700K Processor, 3.6GHz w/ 8 Cores / 16 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

 

[sepheronx]

Why did you choose to add the 11700 and not the 11700k which is $559 CAD, while the other models are the highend ones?

Intel Core™ i7-11700K Processor, 3.6GHz w/ 8 Cores / 16 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

Good question. I just grabbed em quick. Thanks for pointing out my error. So let me redo it then:

10900F - $470 CAD

Intel Core™ i9-10900F Processor, 2.8GHz w/ 10 Cores / 20 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

11700(non K) - $450

Intel Core™ i7-11700 Processor, 2.5GHz w/ 8 Cores / 16 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

10700 - $370

Intel Core™ i7-10700 Processor, 2.9 GHz w/ 8 Cores / 16 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

So the 11700 falls near the cheapest 10/20 Intel processor by -$20CAD.

In the end, what matters if PCIe 4.0 matters or not in performance. So far, its purely synthetic and nothing really noticeable or beneficial in anything - especially gaming. So I would say that it may not be worth grabbing the newer chips and a 10900F would be a far better buy or if you are OK with going cheaper, than a 10700 or lower is sufficient. Or AMD's 3000 series CPU's.

 

[Why_Me]

Why did you choose to add the 11700 and not the 11700k which is $559 CAD, while the other models are the highend ones?

Wouldn't it be more consitent to compare all unlocked K and X models?

Intel Core™ i7-11700K Processor, 3.6GHz w/ 8 Cores / 16 Threads - Intel 1200 CPUs - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

Do the math.

Intel Core i7-10700 vs Core i7-10700K Review: Is 65W Comet Lake an Option?

www.anandtech.com

 

[Makaveli]

Do the math.

Intel Core i7-10700 vs Core i7-10700K Review: Is 65W Comet Lake an Option?

www.anandtech.com

lol why don't you respond to the last post I sent you?

And what is that Anandtech review about a 65w comet lake have to do with Math?

You are gonna have to up your game if you want to troll with me son.