Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2 NVMe SSD

Chrispy_ · Oct 28, 2023

GabrielLP14 said:
Problem in many cases is availability. i do agree that its completly wrong what they do, but we need to understand that these manufacturers they just buy these ICs for their SSDs when they manufacturer themselves, not considering "white labeling".
The problem is that they can't get an infinite number of batches for a single product, in my opinion, they should be transparent about it, saying that it could change and list in details all the different variants

They get away with it, to some extent, by listing the official specs very conservatively and omitting some specs altogether.
When they need to switch to inferior NAND or controller, they baked enough wiggle-room into the original spec to still meet them all.

Sadly, real-world performance doesn't care about a select few specs on a marketing spec-sheet, which is why the bait-and-switch re-reviewed products always look bad.

GabrielLP14 · Oct 30, 2023

Chrispy_ said:
They get away with it, to some extent, by listing the official specs very conservatively and omitting some specs altogether.
When they need to switch to inferior NAND or controller, they baked enough wiggle-room into the original spec to still meet them all.

Sadly, real-world performance doesn't care about a select few specs on a marketing spec-sheet, which is why the bait-and-switch re-reviewed products always look bad.

true

kapone32 · Oct 30, 2023

GabrielLP14 said:
true

Sounds like exactly what Corsair does with their RAM.

uBaH · Nov 28, 2023

Strange things are happening to my 2TB NV2, approx. 10 months after the purchase, so I have decided to share the information. Another person is having exactly the same issues with his 2TB NV2, so I guess it won't be an isolated case.

Just to clarify before everything else - my NV2 has perfect SMART, just 2,3TB of writes and under 500 power-on hours for these 10 months since its purchase. I have used it just for file storage (family photos and videos), as a second drive installed on the motherboard's second (Gen.3 x4 M.2 slot).
With this type of usage (occasional incremental writes), I am not sure since when I have the problem. It could have been there right from the beginning...

Now the problem - accessing the information already stored on this SSD takes ages! Anything from just clicking on folder properties, photos / videos thumbnails visualization, to opening and copying files is happening waay too slow. Is is OK, sometimes, and not OK most of the time.
The copy process starts, usually fast, then goes to 0MB/s, stays there for 5-10-15 seconds, 2-3-5 minutes, then goes up again and so on. The SSD's access time is seconds, sometimes tens of seconds. The "Disk active time" in Task Manager shows 100% almost all the time.
This happens no matter whether I try to copy files from the NV2 to an external USB drive or to the other SSD in the system.

I have noticed the problem yesterday. My system has been through a lot of software changes, driver removals / updates etc. for the last 12 months since Win10 was installed, so I have decided to do a clean OS install last night, but unfortunately this did change anything.

The system's specs are:
Win10 22H2, all current updates installed
AMD chipset drivers from MSI's web site
Kingston SSD manager, latest drive firmware installed
MSI B550A-Pro MoBo
Kingston NV2 in the MoBo's second (chipset) M.2 slot
Seagate FireCuda 530 in the MoBo's first (CPU) M.2 slot

In the System Event Viewer I have lots of warnings "Reset to device, \Device\RaidPort2, was issued" which correspond to the "pauses" in my file copy attempts.

The SMART status of the NV2 appears to be OK too:

Would you suggest any further steps, which will ensure that the SSD is the culprit (before attempting a RMA)?

PS. The other guy, who is having the same issues with his NV2, has already tried switching the NV2 with his main SSD (switching both M.2 slots on his motherboard) and a different motherboard, but the problem still exists.

Cecy · Dec 28, 2023

uBaH said:
Strange things are happening to my 2TB NV2, approx. 10 months after the purchase, so I have decided to share the information. Another person is having exactly the same issues with his 2TB NV2, so I guess it won't be an isolated case.

Just to clarify before everything else - my NV2 has perfect SMART, just 2,3TB of writes and under 500 power-on hours for these 10 months since its purchase. I have used it just for file storage (family photos and videos), as a second drive installed on the motherboard's second (Gen.3 x4 M.2 slot).
With this type of usage (occasional incremental writes), I am not sure since when I have the problem. It could have been there right from the beginning...

Now the problem - accessing the information already stored on this SSD takes ages! Anything from just clicking on folder properties, photos / videos thumbnails visualization, to opening and copying files is happening waay too slow. Is is OK, sometimes, and not OK most of the time.
The copy process starts, usually fast, then goes to 0MB/s, stays there for 5-10-15 seconds, 2-3-5 minutes, then goes up again and so on. The SSD's access time is seconds, sometimes tens of seconds. The "Disk active time" in Task Manager shows 100% almost all the time.
This happens no matter whether I try to copy files from the NV2 to an external USB drive or to the other SSD in the system.

I have noticed the problem yesterday. My system has been through a lot of software changes, driver removals / updates etc. for the last 12 months since Win10 was installed, so I have decided to do a clean OS install last night, but unfortunately this did change anything.

The system's specs are:
Win10 22H2, all current updates installed
AMD chipset drivers from MSI's web site
Kingston SSD manager, latest drive firmware installed
MSI B550A-Pro MoBo
Kingston NV2 in the MoBo's second (chipset) M.2 slot
Seagate FireCuda 530 in the MoBo's first (CPU) M.2 slot

In the System Event Viewer I have lots of warnings "Reset to device, \Device\RaidPort2, was issued" which correspond to the "pauses" in my file copy attempts.

The SMART status of the NV2 appears to be OK too:

Would you suggest any further steps, which will ensure that the SSD is the culprit (before attempting a RMA)?

PS. The other guy, who is having the same issues with his NV2, has already tried switching the NV2 with his main SSD (switching both M.2 slots on his motherboard) and a different motherboard, but the problem still exists.

Hi, I've been having similar issues with my Kingston NV2 recently and hundreds of Event 129 - I am using it as my main OS drive and quite often it throttles down to unbearably low speeds and the system hangs. It's very frustrating. Initially I was thinking that it is overheating but the temps on my side are not that high. Highest I've seen was like 42C which should not be a problem. I am considering formatting it and not using it as a OS drive ever again. Turned out to be such a shitty SSD

djsolidsnake86 · Dec 28, 2023

uBaH said:
Strange things are happening to my 2TB NV2, approx. 10 months after the purchase, so I have decided to share the information. Another person is having exactly the same issues with his 2TB NV2, so I guess it won't be an isolated case.

Just to clarify before everything else - my NV2 has perfect SMART, just 2,3TB of writes and under 500 power-on hours for these 10 months since its purchase. I have used it just for file storage (family photos and videos), as a second drive installed on the motherboard's second (Gen.3 x4 M.2 slot).
With this type of usage (occasional incremental writes), I am not sure since when I have the problem. It could have been there right from the beginning...

Now the problem - accessing the information already stored on this SSD takes ages! Anything from just clicking on folder properties, photos / videos thumbnails visualization, to opening and copying files is happening waay too slow. Is is OK, sometimes, and not OK most of the time.
The copy process starts, usually fast, then goes to 0MB/s, stays there for 5-10-15 seconds, 2-3-5 minutes, then goes up again and so on. The SSD's access time is seconds, sometimes tens of seconds. The "Disk active time" in Task Manager shows 100% almost all the time.
This happens no matter whether I try to copy files from the NV2 to an external USB drive or to the other SSD in the system.

I have noticed the problem yesterday. My system has been through a lot of software changes, driver removals / updates etc. for the last 12 months since Win10 was installed, so I have decided to do a clean OS install last night, but unfortunately this did change anything.

The system's specs are:
Win10 22H2, all current updates installed
AMD chipset drivers from MSI's web site
Kingston SSD manager, latest drive firmware installed
MSI B550A-Pro MoBo
Kingston NV2 in the MoBo's second (chipset) M.2 slot
Seagate FireCuda 530 in the MoBo's first (CPU) M.2 slot

In the System Event Viewer I have lots of warnings "Reset to device, \Device\RaidPort2, was issued" which correspond to the "pauses" in my file copy attempts.

The SMART status of the NV2 appears to be OK too:

Would you suggest any further steps, which will ensure that the SSD is the culprit (before attempting a RMA)?

PS. The other guy, who is having the same issues with his NV2, has already tried switching the NV2 with his main SSD (switching both M.2 slots on his motherboard) and a different motherboard, but the problem still exists.

is tlc or qlc?

uBaH · Dec 29, 2023

@djsolidsnake86 - it is a TLC one. Confirmed earlier in this thread.

As an update to my post above, I can write that after a quick format, my 2TB NV2 is working, as there have never been any problems with it. Writing / reading - everything works as it should.
I have given it to my father and he is using it as a system drive now with no issues.

djsolidsnake86 · Dec 29, 2023

uBaH said:
@djsolidsnake86 - it is a TLC one. Confirmed earlier in this thread.

As an update to my post above, I can write that after a quick format, my 2TB NV2 is working, as there have never been any problems with it. Writing / reading - everything works as it should.
I have given it to my father and he is using it as a system drive now with no issues.

problem can happen again

uBaH · Dec 29, 2023

For sure it can

I have advised my father to keep a copy of his files on his mechanical drive (which is still in the system). In addition to that, I have kept his original 128GB system SATA drive, with the OS, settings and all his data.
In case the NV2 fails again, I should be able to have his system up and running in almost no time.

PS. Using this NV2 as an everyday, system drive should highlight its problems much faster than my type of use (data backup drive, accessed from time to time).

reb0rn · Jan 20, 2024

Kingston 4tb ver: 015.A03G

Code:

 6: (KINGSTON SNV2S4000G
Please select drive number:4
Drive   : 4(NVME)
Driver  : W10(4:3)
Model   : KINGSTON SNV2S4000G
Fw      : ELFK1N.1
HMB     : 65536 - 65536 KB (Enabled, 64 M)
Size    : 3815447 MB [4000.8 GB]
LBA Size: 512
Firmware lock supported [03 01] [P101] [0000]
Handshake error: 0
Drive unlocked [03 03]
F/W     : ELFK1N.1
P/N     : 10034737
Bank00: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank01: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank02: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank03: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank04: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank05: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank06: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank07: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank08: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank09: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank10: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank11: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank12: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank13: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank14: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Bank15: 0x98,0x49,0x99,0x3,0x7a,0xe4,0x8,0x16 - Toshiba 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
Controller    : PS5021-E21
CPU Clk       : 980
Flash CE      : 16
Flash Channel : 4
Interleave    : 4
Flash CE Mask : [++++++++ ++++++++ -------- --------]
Flash Clk,MT  : 10
Die per CE    : 2
Block per CE  : 12888
Page per Block: 1344
Bit Per Cell  : 3(TLC)
PMIC Type     : PS6103
PE Cycle Limit: 50000/3000
SLC cache     : 0x100000/0x60000
Defects Early Read Prog Erase
Bank00:   24    0    0    0
Bank01:   24    0    0    0
Bank02:   35    0    0    0
Bank03:   36    0    0    0
Bank04:   61    0    0    0
Bank05:   24    0    0    0
Bank06:   39    0    0    0
Bank07:   28    0    0    0
Bank08:   79    0    0    0
Bank09:   54    0    0    0
Bank10:   36    0    0    0
Bank11:   27    0    0    0
Bank12:   37    0    0    0
Bank13:   50    0    0    0
Bank14:   33    0    0    0
Bank15:   37    0    0    0
Total :  624    0    0    0

narutokun2000 · May 16, 2024

Recently purchased the NV2 1TB from amazon for $30. Guess it was on clearance and the price seemed good with the rebounding ssd prices. Wanted to share my findings that appear unique. Was hoping for the Phison + TLC combo. Phison flash id didn't work. Thought I ended up with SMI 2267 + TLC combo instead. But for some reason the SMI flash id kept getting stuck after reading LBA and it would lock up the whole system. Tried different systems, SM flash ids. Same thing. Finally peeled off the sticker and was surprised to see some brand I never heard of, TENAFE TC2200. Huh?! Luckily there is a flash id for that too. I got unlucky and got intel QLC. Overall, the crystaldiskmark results dont look bad. I thought from these results I had TLC. Also these results were limited to pcie 3.0. DIdn't have a 4.0 slot available.

Oh well, a bit disappointed in kingstons stupid mystery bag tricks, but this is cheap and only being used in my laptop for game storage. Wish I picked up that crucial p5 1TB for $30 about half a year ago when ssd prices bottomed out... Also, my version was 005.A00G Taiwan, which by some posts a few pages ago indicate those were TLC. Also this review has the same version and he got SMI 2267+TLC. So I think these versions definitely don't indicate anything concrete. I think its faster than my ancient samsung pm961 1TB with dram. Tossed that into my unraid server for much needed cache.

Code:

v0.1a
OS: 10.0 build 22631
Drive   : 1(NVME)
Scsi    : 1
Driver  : W10
Model   : KINGSTON SNV2S1000G
Fw      : CBG04418
HMB     : 65536 - 65536 KB (Enabled, 64 M)
Size    : 953869 MB [1000.2 GB]
LBA Size: 512
AdminCmd: 0x00 0x01 0x02 0x04 0x05 0x06 0x08 0x09 0x0A 0x0C 0x10 0x11 0x14 0x80 0xC1 0xC2 0xE5 0xE6
I/O Cmd : 0x00 0x01 0x02 0x04 0x09
000: 03 00 0c 00 | 01 00 00 00 | 0c 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00
010: 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00
020: 5a 02 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 01 | 00 00 00 00
030: 8c 01 00 00 | 32 33 62 32 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00
040: 00 00 00 00 | 02 00 00 00 | 07 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00
050: 89 d3 ac 32 | c6 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00
350: 31 30 32 38 | 33 39 32 37 | 39 39 30 37 | 36 30 39 2d
360: 30 30 35 2e | 41 30 30 47 | 54 43 32 32 | 30 30 00 00
370: 54 65 6e 61 | 46 65 00 00 | 1f 00 75 00 | 23 00 7b 00
380: 1d 00 6e 00 | 1c 00 74 00 | 17 00 6c 00 | 17 00 6d 00
390: 17 00 6d 00 | 17 00 6d 00 | 45 4a 41 41 | 45 4f 41 42
Bank00: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Bank02: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Bank04: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Bank06: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Bank08: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Bank10: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Bank12: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Bank14: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die

GabrielLP14 · May 16, 2024

narutokun2000 said:
Recently purchased the NV2 1TB from amazon for $30. Guess it was on clearance and the price seemed good with the rebounding ssd prices. Wanted to share my findings that appear unique. Was hoping for the Phison + TLC combo. Phison flash id didn't work. Thought I ended up with SMI 2267 + TLC combo instead. But for some reason the SMI flash id kept getting stuck after reading LBA and it would lock up the whole system. Tried different systems, SM flash ids. Same thing. Finally peeled off the sticker and was surprised to see some brand I never heard of, TENAFE TC2200. Huh?! Luckily there is a flash id for that too. I got unlucky and got intel QLC. Overall, the crystaldiskmark results dont look bad. I thought from these results I had TLC. Also these results were limited to pcie 3.0. DIdn't have a 4.0 slot available.

Oh well, a bit disappointed in kingstons stupid mystery bag tricks, but this is cheap and only being used in my laptop for game storage. Wish I picked up that crucial p5 1TB for $30 about half a year ago when ssd prices bottomed out... Also, my version was 005.A00G Taiwan, which by some posts a few pages ago indicate those were TLC. Also this review has the same version and he got SMI 2267+TLC. So I think these versions definitely don't indicate anything concrete. I think its faster than my ancient samsung pm961 1TB with dram. Tossed that into my unraid server for much needed cache.

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v0.1a OS: 10.0 build 22631 Drive : 1(NVME) Scsi : 1 Driver : W10 Model : KINGSTON SNV2S1000G Fw : CBG04418 HMB : 65536 - 65536 KB (Enabled, 64 M) Size : 953869 MB [1000.2 GB] LBA Size: 512 AdminCmd: 0x00 0x01 0x02 0x04 0x05 0x06 0x08 0x09 0x0A 0x0C 0x10 0x11 0x14 0x80 0xC1 0xC2 0xE5 0xE6 I/O Cmd : 0x00 0x01 0x02 0x04 0x09 000: 03 00 0c 00 | 01 00 00 00 | 0c 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 010: 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 020: 5a 02 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 01 | 00 00 00 00 030: 8c 01 00 00 | 32 33 62 32 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 040: 00 00 00 00 | 02 00 00 00 | 07 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 050: 89 d3 ac 32 | c6 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 350: 31 30 32 38 | 33 39 32 37 | 39 39 30 37 | 36 30 39 2d 360: 30 30 35 2e | 41 30 30 47 | 54 43 32 32 | 30 30 00 00 370: 54 65 6e 61 | 46 65 00 00 | 1f 00 75 00 | 23 00 7b 00 380: 1d 00 6e 00 | 1c 00 74 00 | 17 00 6c 00 | 17 00 6d 00 390: 17 00 6d 00 | 17 00 6d 00 | 45 4a 41 41 | 45 4f 41 42 Bank00: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank02: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank04: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank06: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank08: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank10: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank12: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank14: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die

OOOh cool thanks i'll add that to the Database

Relik · May 20, 2024

I collected this for my own interests, but people here may find it helpful.

Complete history of the Kingston SNV2S/1000G (1 TB) product line : Controllers and firmware.

2022-2023
Fw : ELFK0S.4 >> Phison PS5021-E21 NAND: Toshiba 112-layer TLC (original)
Fw : ELFK0S.6 >> Phison PS5021-E21 NAND: Toshiba 112-layer TLC (2022 update)
Fw : SBI02102 >> SMI SM2267XT (original fw) + KIOXIA 112L TLC 512Gbit 2-Plane (500GB/1TB)
Fw : SBI02105 >> SMI SM2267XT (May 2023 fw update)
Fw : SBJ00101 >> SMI SM2267XT (original fw)
Fw : SBJ00103 >> SMI SM2267XT (May 2023 fw update)
Fw : SBK00104 >> SMI SM2267XT (2022, problems with more than 60% utilization)
Fw : SBK00105 >> SMI SM2267XT (May 2023 fw update, fixed?)
Fw : SBM02103 >> SMI SM2267XT (2022-2023, probably TLC)

2024 - Likely all NAND is now Intel 144L QLC
Fw : SBM02106 >> SMI SM2267XT (2024)
Fw : CBG04418 >> Tenafe TC2200 (2024)

dddinger · May 21, 2024

narutokun2000 said:
Recently purchased the NV2 1TB from amazon for $30. Guess it was on clearance and the price seemed good with the rebounding ssd prices. Wanted to share my findings that appear unique. Was hoping for the Phison + TLC combo. Phison flash id didn't work. Thought I ended up with SMI 2267 + TLC combo instead. But for some reason the SMI flash id kept getting stuck after reading LBA and it would lock up the whole system. Tried different systems, SM flash ids. Same thing. Finally peeled off the sticker and was surprised to see some brand I never heard of, TENAFE TC2200. Huh?! Luckily there is a flash id for that too. I got unlucky and got intel QLC. Overall, the crystaldiskmark results dont look bad. I thought from these results I had TLC. Also these results were limited to pcie 3.0. DIdn't have a 4.0 slot available.

Oh well, a bit disappointed in kingstons stupid mystery bag tricks, but this is cheap and only being used in my laptop for game storage. Wish I picked up that crucial p5 1TB for $30 about half a year ago when ssd prices bottomed out... Also, my version was 005.A00G Taiwan, which by some posts a few pages ago indicate those were TLC. Also this review has the same version and he got SMI 2267+TLC. So I think these versions definitely don't indicate anything concrete. I think its faster than my ancient samsung pm961 1TB with dram. Tossed that into my unraid server for much needed cache.

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v0.1a OS: 10.0 build 22631 Drive : 1(NVME) Scsi : 1 Driver : W10 Model : KINGSTON SNV2S1000G Fw : CBG04418 HMB : 65536 - 65536 KB (Enabled, 64 M) Size : 953869 MB [1000.2 GB] LBA Size: 512 AdminCmd: 0x00 0x01 0x02 0x04 0x05 0x06 0x08 0x09 0x0A 0x0C 0x10 0x11 0x14 0x80 0xC1 0xC2 0xE5 0xE6 I/O Cmd : 0x00 0x01 0x02 0x04 0x09 000: 03 00 0c 00 | 01 00 00 00 | 0c 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 010: 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 020: 5a 02 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 01 | 00 00 00 00 030: 8c 01 00 00 | 32 33 62 32 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 040: 00 00 00 00 | 02 00 00 00 | 07 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 050: 89 d3 ac 32 | c6 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 350: 31 30 32 38 | 33 39 32 37 | 39 39 30 37 | 36 30 39 2d 360: 30 30 35 2e | 41 30 30 47 | 54 43 32 32 | 30 30 00 00 370: 54 65 6e 61 | 46 65 00 00 | 1f 00 75 00 | 23 00 7b 00 380: 1d 00 6e 00 | 1c 00 74 00 | 17 00 6c 00 | 17 00 6d 00 390: 17 00 6d 00 | 17 00 6d 00 | 45 4a 41 41 | 45 4f 41 42 Bank00: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank02: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank04: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank06: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank08: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank10: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank12: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die Bank14: 0x89,0xd3,0xac,0x32,0xc6,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Intel 144L QLC 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die

I also bought a 1TB Kingston NV2 from the recent Amazon deal, and got a 144L QLC + Tenafe controller.
Firmware CBG04418
I ran these tests on a fresh install of Windows.

Sequential performance seems fine, but the random write performance is abysmal. The best result I got was ~500 MB/s.
Maybe because I tested this just after a Windows install and updates? I'm not sure.

VictorTDD · May 25, 2024

NV1 and NV2 fw I collected, as of May 25, 2024.

* NV1 *

EDFK0N0x: Phison E13T + TOSHIBA BiCS4 96L 256Gb TLC (500GB) 512Gb TLC (1TB)
EDFK5N0x: Phison E13T + Intel N18A 64L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
EDFK7N0x: Phison E13T + Micron N28A 96L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
EDFK9NOx/0x: Phison E13T + Micron B47R 176L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB/1TB)
EDFKCN0x: Phison E13T + Intel N38A 144L 1Tb QLC (1TB)
EDFKGN0x: Phison E13T + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB/1TB) 1Tb TLC 2P (2TB)
EDFKKN0x: Phison E13T + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB/1TB) 1Tb TLC 2P (2TB)

S844210x: SMI SM2263XT + Intel N18A 64L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
S854210x: SMI SM2263XT + Micron B27A 96L 512Gb TLC (500GB)
S8B4010x: SMI SM2263XT + Micron N28A 96L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
S8H4010x: SMI SM2263XT + Micron B47R 176L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB/1TB)
S8I4010x: SMI SM2263XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB/1TB) 1Tb TLC 2P (2TB)
S8J4110x: SMI SM2263XT + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB/1TB) 1Tb TLC 2P (2TB)

* NV2 *

EJFK3N.x: Phison E19T + Micron B47R 176L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB)
EJFK6N.x: Phison E19T + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB)

ELFK0S.x: Phison E21T + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB/1TB)
ELFK1N.x: Phison E21T + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 1Tb TLC 2P (1TB/2TB/4TB)
ELFK7V.x: Phison E21T + Intel N38A 144L 1Tb QLC (1TB)
ELFKAN.x: Phison E21T + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB/1TB)
ELFKCN.x: Phison E21T + Micron N48R 176L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB/4TB)

SBI0310x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB)
SBI0210x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB/1TB)
SBI0510x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB)
SBI0410x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB)
SBJ0110x: SMI SM2267XT + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB)
SBJ0010x: SMI SM2267XT + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB/1TB)
SBK0010x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 1Tb TLC 2P (1TB/2TB)
SBM0210x: SMI SM2267XT + Intel N38A 144L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
SBN0010x: SMI SM2267XT + YMTC X2-9060 128L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB/1TB)

SCH0210x: SMI SM2269XT + Micron B47R 176L 512Gb TLC (500GB)
SCK0010x: SMI SM2269XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 1Tb TLC 2P (1TB/2TB/4TB)
SCP0010x: SMI SM2269XT + Micron N48R 176L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)

CRTP1311: TenaFe TC2200 + YMTC X2-9060 128L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB/1TB)
CRTP2324: TenaFe TC2200 + YMTC X2-9060 128L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB)
CRTP3011: TenaFe TC2200 + YMTC X2-9060 128L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB)
CBG04418: TenaFe TC2200 + Intel N38A 144L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)

and NV3 is coming soon...

muhlisgursoy · Jun 15, 2024

Is it possible to request a compensation or replacement from Kingston? I bought 2 of these SSDs last year because the reviews I read about it were excellent (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kingston-nv2-1-tb-m-2-nvme-ssd/), turns out this review is the old one and I got the worse QLC variant. My PC gets stuck (100% utilisation) when doing sustained write.

vinhtq115 · Aug 29, 2024

I use my NV2S 500GB for dual booting. Seems like it runs fine with Ubuntu. On Windows, 1-2 months ago, it started showing 100% activity usage on boot and slowed everything down. Somehow, running TRIM command on Linux and defragmentation on Windows and then rebooting temporary mitigated the issue but after a few restart into Windows, it showed up again.

Chrispy_ · Aug 29, 2024

VictorTDD said:
NV1 and NV2 fw I collected, as of May 25, 2024.

* NV1 *

EDFK0N0x: Phison E13T + TOSHIBA BiCS4 96L 256Gb TLC (500GB) 512Gb TLC (1TB)
EDFK5N0x: Phison E13T + Intel N18A 64L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
EDFK7N0x: Phison E13T + Micron N28A 96L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
EDFK9NOx/0x: Phison E13T + Micron B47R 176L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB/1TB)
EDFKCN0x: Phison E13T + Intel N38A 144L 1Tb QLC (1TB)
EDFKGN0x: Phison E13T + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB/1TB) 1Tb TLC 2P (2TB)
EDFKKN0x: Phison E13T + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB/1TB) 1Tb TLC 2P (2TB)

S844210x: SMI SM2263XT + Intel N18A 64L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
S854210x: SMI SM2263XT + Micron B27A 96L 512Gb TLC (500GB)
S8B4010x: SMI SM2263XT + Micron N28A 96L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
S8H4010x: SMI SM2263XT + Micron B47R 176L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB/1TB)
S8I4010x: SMI SM2263XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB/1TB) 1Tb TLC 2P (2TB)
S8J4110x: SMI SM2263XT + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB/1TB) 1Tb TLC 2P (2TB)

* NV2 *

EJFK3N.x: Phison E19T + Micron B47R 176L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB)
EJFK6N.x: Phison E19T + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB)

ELFK0S.x: Phison E21T + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB/1TB)
ELFK1N.x: Phison E21T + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 1Tb TLC 2P (1TB/2TB/4TB)
ELFK7V.x: Phison E21T + Intel N38A 144L 1Tb QLC (1TB)
ELFKAN.x: Phison E21T + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB/500GB/1TB)
ELFKCN.x: Phison E21T + Micron N48R 176L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB/4TB)

SBI0310x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB)
SBI0210x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB/1TB)
SBI0510x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB)
SBI0410x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB)
SBJ0110x: SMI SM2267XT + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (250GB)
SBJ0010x: SMI SM2267XT + SanDisk BiCS5 112L 512Gb TLC 2P (500GB/1TB)
SBK0010x: SMI SM2267XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 1Tb TLC 2P (1TB/2TB)
SBM0210x: SMI SM2267XT + Intel N38A 144L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)
SBN0010x: SMI SM2267XT + YMTC X2-9060 128L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB/1TB)

SCH0210x: SMI SM2269XT + Micron B47R 176L 512Gb TLC (500GB)
SCK0010x: SMI SM2269XT + KIOXIA BiCS5 112L 1Tb TLC 2P (1TB/2TB/4TB)
SCP0010x: SMI SM2269XT + Micron N48R 176L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)

CRTP1311: TenaFe TC2200 + YMTC X2-9060 128L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB/1TB)
CRTP2324: TenaFe TC2200 + YMTC X2-9060 128L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB)
CRTP3011: TenaFe TC2200 + YMTC X2-9060 128L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB)
CBG04418: TenaFe TC2200 + Intel N38A 144L 1Tb QLC (1TB/2TB)

and NV3 is coming soon...

Holy moly, I knew Kingston were one of the worse brands for bait-and-switch but this is so bad I'm lost for words.

Controller: totally random
NAND: totally random
Endurance: totally random
Performance: totally random

The only guarantees you have is that it'll be DRAMless, it'll be nothing like as fast as the launch-day review samples, and performance will be garbage-tier, possibly even so bad it's problematic

masterdeejay · Sep 19, 2024

What controllers/flash to avoid in nv2 series?

I got this:
CRTP2324: TenaFe TC2200 + YMTC X2-9060 128L 512Gb TLC (250GB/500GB) version.

Temperature and reliability are important to me, not speed/performance.

Relaxaflexer · Oct 22, 2024

@Chrispy_

That is like looking at the Solar system and conclude its all not worth it, cause the Sun will someday be the end of it all.
In just as little time as 5 billion years that is.

Looking at the positive sides of this SSD.

It will last longer then you live.
It will be about 25 times faster then a Hard disk.
It can be bought for as low as 30 dollar per 1TB.
It will not get hot and does not need a heatshield.

@masterdeejay
These do not get hot, do not need a heatshield and will be reliable enough for consumers.
But always, with any brand of hardware, make at least 1 back up, pref. 2 (co-location).

kapone32 · Oct 22, 2024

NV2 drives are best used as Game drives. If you are into NVME there are faster drives to use for boot. Being the OS drive is one of the hardest things you can do to an NVME drive. Just look at Disk usage in HWinfo and you will see that the OS drive is always in use. The issue is that there are cheaper drives that are faster right now as the NV2 is more expensive than when it launched.

Chrispy_ · Oct 22, 2024

Relaxaflexer said:
It will last longer then you live.
It will be about 25 times faster then a Hard disk.
It can be bought for as low as 30 dollar per 1TB.
It will not get hot and does not need a heatshield.

The first two points have been proven wrong on multiple occasions and reported on dozens of sites/forums around the web.
$30/TB is regional - if you see it as the cheapest drive on sale, then great - you get what you pay for.

The thermals depend on the controller. NV2 is literally a "random crapshoot" of controller and NAND that means nothing. It could be anything, so long as it's dirt cheap. Here's a list of all the known variants, and it's not even a complete list. Some of these controllers run hot, some of them run cold, some of them are fast enough, some of them are dog slow. Trying to generalise with the NV2 is actually impossible because it's not a single drive model, it's an umbrella term of a name that describes the collection of bottom-of-the-barrel, cheapest available parts that Kingston can cobble together to make a functional SSD.

Relaxaflexer · Oct 22, 2024

@Chrispy_

All I see is a complaining opinion, but no links to prove batch wide high temps or high failrates with the NV2.
I actually have several NV2's in use and none of them disappoint. They are fast and run cool without any problems.
These are sold in batches by the millions. So Kingston cannot rely on one supplier. They even have several production lines in different countries.

As a result they come under many specs with this NV2 type. So what? They all run fine and none of these have a high fail rate or need cooling extra's.
Almost all of them will outlast your lifetime. So for these prices there is not much to complain about.

If you want to prove your point then please show me links of this NV2 where they fail by the masses, run hot or show consistent low speeds.

Until then this is a cheap but fast, running cool good NVMe SSD.

kapone32 · Oct 22, 2024

Relaxaflexer said:
@Chrispy_

All I see is a complaining opinion, but no links to prove batch wide high temps or high failrates with the NV2.
I actually have several NV2's in use and none of them disappoint. They are fast and run cool without any problems.
These are sold in batches by the millions. So Kingston cannot rely on one supplier. They even have several production lines in different countries.

As a result they come under many specs with this NV2 type. So what? They all run fine and none of these have a high fail rate or need cooling extra's.
Almost all of them will outlast your lifetime. So for these prices there is not much to complain about.

If you want to prove your point then please show me links of this NV2 where they fail by the masses, run hot or show consistent low speeds.

Until then this is a cheap but fast, running cool good NVMe SSD.

Is there any NVME that has high failure rates? I do have a NV2 that is essentially dead. Having said that I have built 3 PCS using NV2 as all storage. Those were the first batch that were all TLC but I also have a 4TB in my main system. This is not the days of OCZ SSds or Kingston USB drives. When the NV2 first launched they were inexpensive and competed with offerings from Team and Adata on the low end. Today they are similar in price to WD drives now.

chrcoluk · Oct 22, 2024

Never used a Kingston NVME, but almost all my failed SSDs are Kingston.

Owned the following including both SATA and NVME.

2x Samsung 830, 4x Samsung 860, 1x Samsung 850 pro, 1x Samsung 970 evo, 1x Samsung 980 pro. - 0 out of 9 failed.
1x WD SN850X, 1x WD SN570 - 0 out of 2 failed
2x Crucial MX500 - 1 out of 2 failed.
4x Kingston varying models. - 3 out of 4 failed.

The kingston record isnt great, even more so as most of them havent been used much.

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Motherboard	It has no markings but it's green
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Memory	2GB DDR3L-1333
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Case	NZXT Phantom 820 Black
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Case	Corsair 7000D Airflow
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Keyboard	Logitech G510
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System Name	Gabriel-PC
Processor	Core i7-13700K (All Core 5.7GHz)
Motherboard	MSI Z790-P PRO WIFI DDR4
Cooling	NZXT Kraken X72 360mm
Memory	32GB Netac DDR4-3200 MT/s CL-16
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Super Colorful
Storage	Memblaze P7940 7.68TB Gen5 (OS), Solidigm P44 2TB (Games) + 4x 4TB WD Black HD (Synology NAS DS1817)
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