Looking for a Paperweight? Buy an Oculus Quest 2 and Get Your Facebook Account Locked

[kapone32]

But what did your uncle who works at Nintendo have to say?

Money talks and moves industry

 

[Turmania]

Can`t you use it, without logging on to your facebook? surely, this must be illegal.

 

[hat]

Sued on what basis? That would essentially set a legal precedent where it's no longer allowed to require an account to use a device, which ... well, ain't gonna happen.

And that wouldn't be a good thing?

Buy an Occulus, you must create a Facebook account and open yourself up to the largest data mining project in the world.
Buy an Android, you almost have to use a Google account to even have a functional device, and get data mined there, too.
Want to use Windows? You can use a local account, but MS is pushing that Microsoft Account pretty hard. Not that you don't get data mined by the OS regardless of whether you use a MS account or not.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Can`t you use it, without logging on to your facebook? surely, this must be illegal.

It's illegal in Germany that's why Oculus is banned from selling Quest 2 on their market, but not in US Inc, I'm afraid.

 

[windwhirl]

And that wouldn't be a good thing?

That they get sued? I think most at least a few of us here would like that lol, but it's unlikely that it will get anywhere.

If nothing else, it's gonna be interesting for antitrust and GDPR regulators, which are probably better suited to this kind of issue.

 

[OGoc]

I'm a bit older than many of you but we used to have "community standards" back in the day (circa 80's and 90's)... you look through my garbage or peak through my cedar hedge, you're out of the community. Shunned as the neighbourhood creep.

Facebook is way creepier and violates many, if not most, "community standards". It's really a shame that junkies are keeping them afloat instead of their deserved boycott.

 

[OneMoar]

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[xrobwx71]

People at the parties I go to generally don't make jokes where the punchline has logical flaws that clear - unless that's the point, of course. At least I've yet to experience that. Sorry for actually paying attention to what I read, I guess?

Is this Khan Noonien Singh?

 

[wickerman]

I bought into oculus with the first Kickstarter, and have 3 since (the latest being rift s). I really enjoy VR - particularly in racing sims. But requiring all owners to have a Facebook was the end for me. I don’t have one, I don’t want one, and I have no interest in their tech if it’s required for anything. I’m just glad I bought almost all my games from steam.

 

[TheUn4seen]

I bought into oculus with the first Kickstarter, and have 3 since (the latest being rift s). I really enjoy VR - particularly in racing sims. But requiring all owners to have a Facebook was the end for me. I don’t have one, I don’t want one, and I have no interest in their tech if it’s required for anything. I’m just glad I bought almost all my games from steam.

I had a DK2 back in the day. After Oculus sold to Facebook my first thought was "thay will ruin this sooner or later". So I immediately sold the DK2, bought Vive not long after and never looked back. Facebook is one of the companies I prefer to have nothing in common with.

 

[BArms]

Facebook's hivemind thinks they're running an MMO: "You're in our world now" seems to be their slogan.

 

[Daisho11]

Imagine still having a Facebook account.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Are these Facebook accounts that were already banned in violation of rules on the social side?

I think you’ve also made a great point. What FB has said applies in other areas too if you look at it.

There are many people that have not succumbed to FB’s mind control that has quashed all points of view that don’t conform to theirs and banned those accounts. Those people will also have paperweights, as they will not be allowed to use the gear they purchased that requires a FB account to operate.

 

[Valantar]

I think that came from a "promise" that the Oculus ecosystem would not require integration with Facebook...

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/21cy9n/_/cgbz2vw
IMO, if it's not in written down in the documents of the deal, there is no basis for suing.

This might be a tad pedantic, but Rift /= Quest.

And that wouldn't be a good thing?

Buy an Occulus, you must create a Facebook account and open yourself up to the largest data mining project in the world.
Buy an Android, you almost have to use a Google account to even have a functional device, and get data mined there, too.
Want to use Windows? You can use a local account, but MS is pushing that Microsoft Account pretty hard. Not that you don't get data mined by the OS regardless of whether you use a MS account or not.

I wasn't commenting on whether or not it was a good thing. I said it's not going to happen. Which it isn't. Ever. I can't imagine any legal reasoning for why a service provider wouldn't be allowed to require registration to provide their service. The only feasible means of alleviating stuff like this is regulating what data they are allowed to collect and how they can use it, and then enforcing these rules strictly (after all, such measures would pay for themselves given the high likelihood of enormous fines).

 

[lexluthermiester]

Gee wiz, who could have seen this crap coming... No, it couldn't have been me a few weeks ago in another thread... not at all...

Frak Facebook. Pathetic losers.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

Gee wiz, who could have seen this crap coming... No, it couldn't have been me... not at all...

Frak Facebook. Pathetic losers.

I couldn’t foresee the reaction from TPU userbase if I'm being honest. Criticising Quest 2 is like now considered criticising VR as a whole. Kinda akin to some people who cry anti-semitism when people criticise Israeli policies.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Criticising Quest 2 is like now considered criticising VR as a whole.

Not really, there are other options and many of them offering a better experience.

Kinda akin to some people who cry anti-semitism when people criticise Israeli policies.

No politics here please.

 

[bug]

I couldn’t foresee the reaction from TPU userbase if I'm being honest. Criticising Quest 2 is like now considered criticising VR as a whole. Kinda akin to some people who cry anti-semitism when people criticise Israeli policies.

I take it in your head a toy and a nation are roughly the same thing. Ouch.

 

[Raevenlord]

I'd agree it's a clickbait title. This article is horribly titled and should be changed.

In all my English classes up through freshman year of college (even my mom that minored in English drilled this into my head) it was always taught to have a title that showcases what you're paper is about and then the first paragraph should be designed to grab the attention of the reader and provide all the pertinent information: who, what, when, where and why that makes your title legit. After the first paragraph it's then your job throughout the rest of the paper to drive home your idea to convince the reader that your paper is correct and they should believe your work.

It's become the acceptable norm these days to design a title that kind of touches on the information provided in the article, but more so to grab your attention simply so you click on it to produce traffic. Now that you've clicked on the article, the information provided isn't substantial to the reader nor does it actually really pertain to the title given. It's generally misleading or so vague, the only real reason behind the title is simply to get people to click on it - hence reason why folks would consider this title to be "clickbait".

"Buy an Oculus Quest 2 and Get Your Facebook Account Locked" - reading the title it leads the reader to believe that if you simply buy an Oculus Quest 2 that your Facebook account will be locked. However, reading through the article it kind of touches on the reason why your account could be locked. "Could" be locked and "Get Your Facebook Account Locked" simply by buying a Oculus Quest 2 are two very different things.

Sorry for the off topic, but folks posting here can do better. This isn't a shot at the OP, others that post news articles here are also to blame for click bait titles. Then again, maybe the problem is with me and I'm just reluctant to change, roll over and accept this is how the rest of the world now operates???

The way the title is written out is pretty clear. It's that If you are looking for a paperweight (as in, getting your own because you don't have any), you can buy the Quest 2 and then simply act in a way so that your Facebook account gets locked. You, as a reader, are creating a causal, certain relationship (buy a quest 2, get your facebook account locked) where none exists. If the "looking for a Paperweight" wasn't there, I'd agree with you. Clickbait and misleading. As it's written? Sorry, but no. Nor does the content of the news post coincide with your extensively typed clickbait description. The title and initial sentences are also meant to be sarcastic in tone.

I'm all for constructive criticism, but I'm also all for convincing arguments. And I know how I wrote the title; how you read it, however, is out of my control.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

I take it in your head a toy and a nation are roughly the same thing. Ouch.

Ouch what? Your attempt to make a fallacy of my comment went over my head. Since I'm not a native English-speaker can you succinctly explain to me what hurt you?

 

[InVasMani]

Not really, there are other options and many of them offering a better experience.

No politics here please.

May insert a whole heap of politics on this Facebook gas fire...

 

[Raevenlord]

What do you expect? TPU news staff have ALWAYS been viewing VR with a strong negative bias, ever since 2016 when Vive and Rift CV1 first came out. They take every oppotunity they can to bash it or mock it. I have grown tired of arguing with comments in news sections for anything related to VR. Sensationalized title attracts VR haters who celebrate and parroting the "TOLD YA IT SUCKS" narrative.

I haven't been viewing VR with a strong negative bias, and neither have my fellow news editors. It's one thing to have a negative bias, it's another to mention facts: technology and pricing limitations in the first generation devices; low mainstream adoption because of that; and an ecosystem that clearly hasn't grown as it was supposed (and had potential) to. And now, when there is an adequately-priced solution with great performance and rave reviews, which could bolster mainstream adoption and bring VR towards what it Could be, it's locked behind a social network's intention of having every human being in their grasp by activelly locking device access should you not conform to the social network aspect.

I love VR and its immense possibilities, and I see it as the future of experiences. There is no negative bias. What there sometimes is is overt, extreme optimism that doesn't look at the actual state of the industry, and its adoption.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ouch what? Your attempt to make a fallacy of my comment went over my head. Since I'm not a native English-speaker can you succinctly explain to me what hurt you?

You made a political statement in reference and comparison to a piece of technology. Such was both seriously misguided and wildly inappropriate.

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Your reading comprehension needs improvement.

Sued on what basis? That would essentially set a legal precedent where it's no longer allowed to require an account to use a device, which ... well, ain't gonna happen.

Actually, that would be a very good legal precedent. People have the right to use their own property with or without the involvement of the manufacturer.

 

[bug]

Actually, that would be a very good legal precedent. People have the right to use their own property with or without the involvement of the manufacturer.

It's complicated. You already can't use your TV in its own right without subscribing to few companies that have nothing do to with TV manufacturing, the precedent is already there. I'm not saying the line shouldn't be drawn somewhere, just pointing out it's not straightforward to do it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You already can't use your TV in its own right without subscribing to few companies that have nothing do to with TV manufacturing

Wait, what TV did YOU buy? No TV I've ever bought requires anything other then it being plugged into the wall and an antenna.