Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[HTC]

Spotted this @ Anandtech Forums, COVID-19, as viewed by a respiratory therapist:

A report from the coronavirus frontline: "They are essentially drowning in their own blood."

"Holy shit, I do not want to catch this and I don’t want anyone I know to catch this."

www.motherjones.com

It's a lot scarier than it seems: DAMN

 

[rtwjunkie]

Spotted this @ Anandtech Forums, COVID-19, as viewed by a respiratory therapist:

A report from the coronavirus frontline: "They are essentially drowning in their own blood."

"Holy shit, I do not want to catch this and I don’t want anyone I know to catch this."

www.motherjones.com

It's a lot scarier than it seems: DAMN

I know, I tried to describe earlier in this thread that it shreds your lungs, and then you drown. Its bad stuff.

 

[HTC]

I know, I tried to describe earlier in this thread that it shreds your lungs, and then you drown. Its bad stuff.

Seeing it described by someone who knows how "normal" diseases do this VS how COVID-19 does it ... it's like he said:

“I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”

Being in the mid 40s myself, frankly, it scares the crap out of me!

 

[Caring1]

I've had similar issues with fluid in my lungs due to chronic heart failure, it's not pleasant and i'm in the high risk category now.

 

[R-T-B]

People and governments are greatly over-reacting.

I disagree. A viral infection like this has the potential to be much worse. Experts know this. What, you think we like shutting down our economy for fun? This is no joke.

Being in the mid 40s myself, frankly, it scares the crap out of me!

I'm in mid 30s and same, really. Not the best health frankly. Plus my father... and being in Washington.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The alternative is overwhelmed healthcare systems -> deaths. It's a lose-lose situation.

There's two confirmed cases in my county of ~20k people. A lot more are likely to be detected soon as a result of them.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Not really accurate for Japan for ex...

 

[Vayra86]

Marijuana in Cali is essential too. Not sure about the other recreational states.

PS - I didnt hoard TP... I say nothing about the above...lol

Yeah, it was real fun when the govt closed coffeeshops over here. They tried to, at 18.00 two weeks ago. Huge lines at all of them... the next day they were reopened for sale only Now they are the ONLY recreational venue that is open in the entire country. Goes to show how important they really are. Just minutes after 18.00 that sunday, illegal trade was back in full force. The social purpose of drugs... lol

 

[Melvis]

Spotted this @ Anandtech Forums, COVID-19, as viewed by a respiratory therapist:

A report from the coronavirus frontline: "They are essentially drowning in their own blood."

"Holy shit, I do not want to catch this and I don’t want anyone I know to catch this."

www.motherjones.com

It's a lot scarier than it seems: DAMN

I wish I didnt read that now, thats super scary and I know I wont survive if I got the virus and nether will my parents, this is very bad.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This is an interesting article about Iran. There are some theories, but there is also known solid known information.

Why Iran Is Struggling to Contain Its Coronavirus Outbreak

The strain Iran faces is likely to be mirrored elsewhere

time.com

Spotted this @ Anandtech Forums, COVID-19, as viewed by a respiratory therapist:

A report from the coronavirus frontline: "They are essentially drowning in their own blood."

"Holy shit, I do not want to catch this and I don’t want anyone I know to catch this."

www.motherjones.com

It's a lot scarier than it seems: DAMN

Sorry, that's something I'm not buying into until confirmed by other sources.

 

[EarthDog]

Map of testing in the US...

Totals for the US

Daily totals for all metrics collected from January 2020 to the present.

covidtracking.com

 

[Ahhzz]

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Sorry, that's something I'm not buying into until confirmed by other sources.

Sorry Lex, which part of the article don't you believe? Other than this appears to be a first-hand account, everything I read seemed to be more of the same that we've seen from other sources.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Sorry Lex, which part of the article don't you believe?

The source. I'm not taking anything seriously unless it's from a known credible source. MotherJones.com does not qualify.

Other than this appears to be a first-hand account, everything I read seemed to be more of the same that we've seen from other sources.

Where have you seen "drowning in their own blood" before? That's not something I've seen yet. Not taking it seriously.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Slightly off topic, but it would seem there are more viruses getting ready for prime time in China...

Man dies from hantavirus in China: All you need to know about the virus, and how it spreads

As per the CDC, rodent population control is the primary strategy for preventing hantavirus infections

www.firstpost.com

 

[Ahhzz]

The source. I'm not taking anything seriously unless it's from a known credible source.

Where have you seen "drowning in their own blood" before? That's not something I've seen yet. Not taking it seriously.

I did miss that specific statement in skimming the article. According to several sources, they do effectively drown (advanced pneumonia). This article from National Geographic describes it as a "Blood Storm", where the body is rushing white blood cells( via the blood) to the site of the infection (the lungs), and they start destroying good and bad tissue indiscriminately. Since it's tearing down the barrier between the lung sacs and the blood vessels, “Basically you’re bleeding out of your blood vessels,” which spill into the circulatory system. I can see how the phrase "Drowning in your own blood" could be derived from the scientific description.

 

[Vayra86]

I did miss that specific statement in skimming the article. According to several sources, they do effectively drown (advanced pneumonia). This article from National Geographic describes it as a "Blood Storm", where the body is rushing white blood cells( via the blood) to the site of the infection (the lungs), and they start destroying good and bad tissue indiscriminately. Since it's tearing down the barrier between the lung sacs and the blood vessels, “Basically you’re bleeding out of your blood vessels,” which spill into the circulatory system. I can see how the phrase "Drowning in your own blood" could be derived from the scientific description.

Yes. But now the context.

This seems to happen primarily with elderly people and those that already have a weakened or damaged immune system. In other words. A damaged immune system is unable to attack this threat in the right way and tends to 'overdo it', which then creates the said complications. Its not a direct result of COVID-19, just a likely one in specific situations.

For younger and healthy people the immune system appears, in an overwhelming number of cases, perfectly capable of responding to this and even neutralizing it, despite having never contracted the same infection before. This is also why they say young children are a very low infection spread risk. They get over it and are temporarily immune after that.

Be wary of news articles like the one in question. They tend to focus on the outliers, its a mistake to read that as 'the norm'.

 

[EarthDog]

Be wary of news articles like the one in question. They tend to focus on the outliers, its a mistake to read that as 'the norm'.

Why did I feel a wave of sadness after reading your post? Somewhat because you feeel that needs to be said here, but mostly because that does need to be said here, lol.

Some patients this happens to... more daily and next week, it will skyrocket in the hardest hit places. The elderly, those with weakened immune systems, this can go downhill this way quite easily.

 

[Vayra86]

Why did I feel a wave of sadness after reading your post? Somewhat because you feeel that needs to be said here, but mostly because that does need to be said for the userbase here, lol

Yeah I see a lot of overly panicky members here and I'm trying to feed facts the right way for them. Call it damage control Some of the news in foreign outlets (and domestic, but far less so) I see really makes me scratch my head in amazement. Its so easy to go crazy if you use the wrong sources.

 

[Ahhzz]

Yes. But now the context.

This seems to happen primarily with elderly people and those that already have a weakened or damaged immune system. In other words. A damaged immune system is unable to attack this threat in the right way and tends to 'overdo it', which then creates the said complications. Its not a direct result of COVID-19, just a likely one in specific situations.

For younger and healthy people the immune system appears, in an overwhelming number of cases, perfectly capable of responding to this and even neutralizing it, despite having never contracted the same infection before. This is also why they say young children are a very low infection spread risk. They get over it and are temporarily immune after that.

Be wary of news articles like the one in question. They tend to focus on the outliers, its a mistake to read that as 'the norm'.

I didn't realize additional context was needed. I assumed that, obviously, this doesn't occur to everyone with the virus, as everyone with the virus hasn't died, and likewise I assumed everyone here knew that the symptoms I described and linked didn't apply to every single case. Taking a few minutes to read the whole article, it specifically states "In severe cases, you basically flood your lungs and you can't breathe".

I also made the assumption that by quoting Lex's post regarding "drowning in their own blood", it would be apparent that I was linking an article for him giving some information about why the phrase could describe the damage being done.

 

[HTC]

Yes. But now the context.

This seems to happen primarily with elderly people and those that already have a weakened or damaged immune system. In other words. A damaged immune system is unable to attack this threat in the right way and tends to 'overdo it', which then creates the said complications. Its not a direct result of COVID-19, just a likely one in specific situations.

For younger and healthy people the immune system appears, in an overwhelming number of cases, perfectly capable of responding to this and even neutralizing it, despite having never contracted the same infection before. This is also why they say young children are a very low infection spread risk. They get over it and are temporarily immune after that.

Be wary of news articles like the one in question. They tend to focus on the outliers, its a mistake to read that as 'the norm'.

While what you say is true, people that are by all accounts perfectly healthy can still get "the full force" of this virus and, though they are "better equipped" to deal with it because they are healthy, that still doesn't mean they'll have a mild case of COVID-19, if they get infected.

This dude was healthy before COVID-19: though not hit very hard by this virus, it still "showed it's teeth" @ him.

It's not the norm, yes. However, that doesn't mean one can treat this lightly thinking one won't get it hard just because one is young and healthy. By comparison, the numbers of younger people in ICUs over this is much smaller than older people but DON'T MISTAKE a lower percentage number for ZERO.

 

[Vayra86]

While what you say is true, people that are by all accounts perfectly healthy can still get "the full force" of this virus and, though they are "better equipped" to deal with it because they are healthy, that still doesn't mean they'll have a mild case of COVID-19, if they get infected.

This dude was healthy before COVID-19: though not hit very hard by this virus, it still "showed it's teeth" @ him.

It's not the norm, yes. However, that doesn't mean one can treat this lightly thinking one won't get it hard just because one is young and healthy. By comparison, the numbers of younger people in ICUs over this is much smaller than older people but DON'T MISTAKE a lower percentage number for ZERO.

Right, but the law of big numbers does not work when you keep picking out the exceptions, and neither does it work for you in any possible way for living your life or dealing with danger. Its good to have a worst case scenario in the back of your head. Its a really bad idea to zoom in on it, repeatedly.

Stop that. For your own sake. The norm is the only thing you can really go on, because you just don't know how each individual has lived his life or how the virus responds to a specific person. But news papers will want those exceptions for a headline. I mean, an olympic athlete is not exactly a regular person is it. I'm not surprised an athlete that has for his entire life zoomed in on his physical and mental condition is quick to point out all that has changed. Its his lifestyle to do so and in every way we're looking at a unique physique.

The bigger threat to everyone's health when they get Corona is the hospitalization itself. Living a few weeks on an IC ward can induce severe problems, up to and including PTSS and loss of muscle mass. Many people need some time to recover and most never recover 100%, regardless of what they visited the IC for. The second real threat is the fact there simply won't be an IC ward to go to. And only after that should you start worrying about those severe symptoms and mind, its still true that there are ZERO deaths among young people. The youngest I believe is somewhere in his fifties. So again... context.

 

[EarthDog]

For something you label as a "worst case scenario" this is happening enough to all patients to warrant knowing it happens and not to minimize it. Sometimes a scare tactic (which, this isn't one to me... it is reality for some who contract it) can do wonders for shelter at home.

 

[Vayra86]

For something you label as a "worst case scenario" this is happening enough to all patients to warrant knowing it happens and not to minimize it. Sometimes a scare tactic (which, this isn't one to me... it is reality for some who contract it) can do wonders for shelter at home.

All I'm saying is, worry about the things you can have an influence on. This is luck of the draw and before you draw this card there are a few dozen other cards that need to be drawn first, and that will potentially hit you far more easily.

This feels like worrying about a plane crash and being all fine with taxi drive to the airport, while we know car traffic is far more deadly.

 

[EarthDog]

All I'm saying is, worry about the things you can have an influence on. This is luck of the draw and before you draw this card there are a few dozen other cards that need to be drawn first, and that will potentially hit you far more easily.

Well, then actually say that.

This is just about being properly informed. What people do with this information, be it dismiss it, or take it too much to heart, isn't up to us. What will be is what will be.

 

[R-T-B]

This is luck of the draw

That's silly logic. It's not "luck of the draw." There are MANY preventitive measures that really put this in the publics hands. You can avoid this if you care enough. Yes it may cost you. But most can.