Microsoft's Creator's Update

[cdawall]

Depends on the hardware, if there only testing on something that is less then 2yrs old and running on a SSD the W10 is a very quick OS indeed (I built a i7 6700 with a Samsung SSD) but as soon as you go ether low end hardware on a mechanical drive or older hardware it becomes one very slow OS. I have dual boot on my i7 rig (W10/7) and the deference is night and day. So much so Im replacing the HDD with a second hand SSD for W10 so it will speed up the system.

Hey if they can sell cheap phones then good for them, = more sales, Apple can do the same if they want to (not that they will) Not everyone can afford a $800 Apple iPhone every yr.

Well thats the thing, it doesnt "just work" many of my clients say the opposite, they want to go back to 7 as it does just that "it works". At the moment 10 still needs work in my eyes to be on par with 7 and I hope one day it will. Also any tech guy would be totally stupid to even suggest that the inbuilt AV in W10 is any good, its a POS, period! and the whole cant do updates thing well at least we can choose what to update not like W10 just forces no questions asked, dont like this update? stiff shit mate here it comes anyway, if it breaks your system and you loose your files, do we care? fark no, enjoy! Not that 7 was any different till now but least 7 never got complete system updates that reset all your settings.....I actually really like how you get updates now on 7, its damn awesome, should have always been like that TBH.

If your hard drive is slow in 10 it has started to fail. I have yet to see this proven wrong outside of a terrible 5400rpm 8mb cache laptop drive or two.

The point was apples marketshare decline in the phone market has nothing to do with the closed os. It is purely the lack of cheap crap for the poorest of poor to buy.

This part is funny to me. Quite a few large corporations have actually started the migration to 10. The OS on its own works quite well. Better than 7 did prior to sp1. The number of systems broken by an update isn't as high as people like to make it seem and it seems to fall around one junk piece of hardware. Like right now if you have a junk Broadcom wifi/Bluetooth the creators update has issues. Should have purchased something with an Intel card.

Other thing... Most corporate environments I have been in don't run anything Antivirus wise on client machines. The servers yes, but client machines the built in works well enough and if an individual has an issue guess who goes on a restricted web list.

Having functional things is a sign of weekness; on this we agree.

There are definitely aspects of 7 I miss, but overall the swap to 10 even on my work machine was painless. The only thing that really gets my blood boiling is out corporate database program has to be run in IE with quite a few safety features disabled. In 7 I could shut all the pop-ups about it off. 10 reminds me every browser launch and likes to reset them after an update.

That alone made me almost dump 7 back on it.

 

[EntropyZ]

*tinfoil hat on* Maybe they handicapped the OS on purpose to help Intel sell more Optane cache. Coincidence? I think not!

 

[Steevo]

We are on Windows 10 at work and other than the annoying remnants of 8, it works good except the fact it tries to update drivers that break my work tools. Or uninstall Windows media center or core components of TV tuners.

In short, Windows 10, meh.

 

[Melvis]

If your hard drive is slow in 10 it has started to fail. I have yet to see this proven wrong outside of a terrible 5400rpm 8mb cache laptop drive or two.

The point was apples marketshare decline in the phone market has nothing to do with the closed os. It is purely the lack of cheap crap for the poorest of poor to buy.

This part is funny to me. Quite a few large corporations have actually started the migration to 10. The OS on its own works quite well. Better than 7 did prior to sp1. The number of systems broken by an update isn't as high as people like to make it seem and it seems to fall around one junk piece of hardware. Like right now if you have a junk Broadcom wifi/Bluetooth the creators update has issues. Should have purchased something with an Intel card.

Other thing... Most corporate environments I have been in don't run anything Antivirus wise on client machines. The servers yes, but client machines the built in works well enough and if an individual has an issue guess who goes on a restricted web list.

Naaa its in perfect working condition and come to think of it my newest drive I have and Windows 10 has been on there since it first came out so if its a dieing drive then its taking its sweet time lol. All of the computers I have worked on that are running a standard drive with W10 have been slow, not in just boot times but opening up programs as well.

There are more poor people then there are rich people in the world.

Yeah....naaaa not the case at all. this link will surprise you I think, some food for thought. https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport

Well hate to tell ya but most prebuilt computers run junk hardware so....if that is the case then that alone explains the amount of issues we have with W10. Athros is better then both.

Thats because there in a Intranet and in a closed environment, and are restricted to only software and pages set by the Admin, so thats a no brainer really but everyone else that isnt in such a closed off environment should always use a AV and not rely on the inbuilt AV by MS, its been proven time and time again yr after yr how poor it is.

 

[cdawall]

Naaa its in perfect working condition and come to think of it my newest drive I have and Windows 10 has been on there since it first came out so if its a dieing drive then its taking its sweet time lol. All of the computers I have worked on that are running a standard drive with W10 have been slow, not in just boot times but opening up programs as well.

There are more poor people then there are rich people in the world.

Yeah....naaaa not the case at all. this link will surprise you I think, some food for thought. https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport

Well hate to tell ya but most prebuilt computers run junk hardware so....if that is the case then that alone explains the amount of issues we have with W10. Athros is better then both.

Thats because there in a Intranet and in a closed environment, and are restricted to only software and pages set by the Admin, so thats a no brainer really but everyone else that isnt in such a closed off environment should always use a AV and not rely on the inbuilt AV by MS, its been proven time and time again yr after yr how poor it is.

I don't know if you know this but mechanical drives are slow. Maybe this is a comparison thing for you? They are slow in 7 and 10, slower than an ssd in fact. If you are saying on a mechanical drive things appear to operate as a whole slower on 10 vs 7 that is not something I have ever seen without something being broken let it be software, hardware or someone's crap Antivirus that you seem to think everyone needs.

They are plenty of people on earth that doesn't change that your original argument of android surpassing iOS is based on OS design and not there being more poor than rich.

Most pre-built use modern drives meaning 7200rpm 64mb cache. Those work fine. Like literally zero issues with speed on 10. The laptops use either the always failing single platter 500gb 5400rpm junk drives that I just replace on sight or the better 1tb units that don't have issues.

We will have to agree to disagree on Antivirus. I personally see just as many people with infected machines regardless of av choice. Almost as if it has more to do with the user rather than av option. I personally have none and have had no viruses in years. Wonder if the person behind the keyboard is the best Antivirus option there is...

 

[Melvis]

I don't know if you know this but mechanical drives are slow. Maybe this is a comparison thing for you? They are slow in 7 and 10, slower than an ssd in fact. If you are saying on a mechanical drive things appear to operate as a whole slower on 10 vs 7 that is not something I have ever seen without something being broken let it be software, hardware or someone's crap Antivirus that you seem to think everyone needs.

They are plenty of people on earth that doesn't change that your original argument of android surpassing iOS is based on OS design and not there being more poor than rich.

Most pre-built use modern drives meaning 7200rpm 64mb cache. Those work fine. Like literally zero issues with speed on 10. The laptops use either the always failing single platter 500gb 5400rpm junk drives that I just replace on sight or the better 1tb units that don't have issues.

We will have to agree to disagree on Antivirus. I personally see just as many people with infected machines regardless of av choice. Almost as if it has more to do with the user rather than av option. I personally have none and have had no viruses in years. Wonder if the person behind the keyboard is the best Antivirus option there is...

*Claps slowly* If you havent seen the difference from 7 to 10 on a mechanical drive you just havent used enough computers yet. W8/8.1/10 have all given the illusion that they boot quick, this isnt true, yes they seem to boot into the OS quickly but in the back ground there still loading crap that can go on for a good few minutes. Hell Id even be happy to give you a comparison between 2-3 machines I got here just to prove my point AND on top of that ill even give the advantage to the W10 machines. Also 90%+ of PC's sold today still use a mechanical drive as there primary drive, you should of seen the difference by now if you work on PC's?

No not really, I still think that iOS is a more polished OS overall and works better on the hardware it is on, but good luck finding a cheap iPhone and Android can provide this, the fact is there are ALOT more poorer people on this earth and Android provides its OS to cheap phones, its just simple logic.

No im sorry I will never agree with that about using an AV and not having one and just relying on the inbuilt one from MS. It proves to me that you just simply dont work on enough computers to know this. I had to clean up the entire town where I live because of this exact issue. The old IT guy here installed MSE (basically what W8.1/10 use as there inbuilt AV) on everyones PC, after he left and I started up all I had was PC after PC after PC that was full of viruses because they used that POS of a "AV" Ever since I cleaned up all those PC's and put a REAL AV on the amount that have come back with any viruses problems dropped by 90%. Your only comparing your own PC use and not 1000s of others, this is just giving false information, get out and actually work on 1000s of different peoples PC's, go to there place and sit down and actually work on them, you will start to realise that your personal experience at home is ALOT different to everyone elses that just "use" a PC.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Sigh... Have uninstall and reinstall Sonic all-star racing...
It's not working right after the update...

 

[AsRock]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. My issue is with W10 nagging me to upgrade to the Creator's Update.

What i am finding annoying is that it will\can wake the system from sleep to do updates.

 

[DRDNA]

*Claps slowly* If you havent seen the difference from 7 to 10 on a mechanical drive you just havent used enough computers yet.

Well I remember when Windows 7 came out it had a WELL KNOWN issue with Data transfer rates. It was so bad that I refused to run any of my Benching rigs with anything other than Raid 0 with 4 drives...... Now I know they have figured out that issue and was able through updates to patch it and regain that lost bandwidth....
I think Windows 10 is more polished out the gate, well at least since Anniversary..and will out perform Windows 7 in the long run if not already.

We will have to agree to disagree on Antivirus. I personally see just as many people with infected machines regardless of av choice. Almost as if it has more to do with the user rather than av option. I personally have none and have had no viruses in years. Wonder if the person behind the keyboard is the best Antivirus option there is...

cd this is the big truth!

 

[Melvis]

Well I remember when Windows 7 came out it had a WELL KNOWN issue with Data transfer rates. It was so bad that I refused to run any of my Benching rigs with anything other than Raid 0 with 4 drives...... Now I know they have figured out that issue and was able through updates to patch it and regain that lost bandwidth....
I think Windows 10 is more polished out the gate, well at least since Anniversary..and will out perform Windows 7 in the long run if not already.

I honestly dont ever remembering that issue in Windows 7 tbh but when it comes to W10 and transfer rates between network drives or external USB Drives its horrendous! (Mainly the USB Drives)

Well W10 "should" be more polished out of the gate, but its not really proving that at all and the Anniversary update for me at least was a huge disappointment, I found my system running worse since that update, before then it ran alot better. I hope when I do a fresh install of the latest Version of 10 on my system on a SSD it will run good, hopes arnt high, but heck might surprise me.

.Wonder if the person behind the keyboard is the best Antivirus option there is...

cd this is the big truth!

And thats EXACTLY why people need a AV and not the POS MS One.

 

[Dethroy]

I really don't like that self-entitled elitist attitude some people tend to have against MS products. Win10 is a perfectly fine OS and - while it isn't without its flaws (which product isn't?!) - it's a better OS than Win7 imho.
I certainly don't understand how all these supposed enthusiasts cling onto software that is no longer supported ...

Besides that, no problems with the creators update thus far.

 

[Caring1]

I certainly don't understand ......

Admitting you have a problem is the first step to overcoming it.

 

[jboydgolfer]

I really don't like that self-entitled elitist attitude some people tend to have against MS products. Win10 is a perfectly fine OS and - while it isn't without its flaws (which product isn't?!) - it's a better OS than Win7 imho.
I certainly don't understand how all these supposed enthusiasts cling onto software that is no longer supported ...

Besides that, no problems with the creators update thus far.

Imo, due to past issues with Microsoft programs and operating systems its become the "default opinion" to not like Microsoft. Now it's so ingrained into people's thoughts that it's just easier to continually dislike it or parrot others opinions instead of actually trying it for ones self,and formulating the opinion for yourself (based on fact & experience). I feel that once a program like Internet explorer for example has been so unpopular for so long that it becomes easier for people to believe that a newer product from the same company would also be crap, and it requires fewer and fewer examples or instances of it actually performing poorly to become a commonly accepted "fact". I myself am guilty of this, I wouldn't even give edge a try but once I had ,I actually found that it was pretty damn good.

I think the same could be said for operating systems. People had terrible experiences with vista or 8.1, and now all it takes is one person reading that one comment somewhere that is negative ,and it justifies the easier opinion based on past experience & prejudice as opposed to factual current experience with the newer OS. Hell, in many cases a person can just hear of someone having a bad experience , not even directly having it themselves, once, twice, or more removed, & still condemn the product in question, since they have that ingrained predgudice.

I'm not citing any particular person here, nor am i debating whether it's fact or not, its 100% undeniable truth of the human condition. All I'm saying is that it's always best to try for yourself and formulate your own opinion. No one should ever let another person do they're thinking for them unless there a child or mentally incapable of making their own decisions. You just have to ask yourself is that you ? Or Are you able to make your own decisions?

 

[Dethroy]

Imo, due to past issues with Microsoft programs and operating systems its become the "default opinion" to not like Microsoft. Now it's so ingrained into people's thoughts that it's just easier to continually dislike it or parrot others opinions instead of actually trying it for ones self,and formulating the opinion for yourself (based on fact & experience). I feel that once a program like Internet explorer for example has been so unpopular for so long that it becomes easier for people to believe that a newer product from the same company would also be crap, and it requires fewer and fewer examples or instances of it actually performing poorly to become a commonly accepted "fact". I myself am guilty of this, I wouldn't even give edge a try but once I had ,I actually found that it was pretty damn good.

I think the same could be said for operating systems. People had terrible experiences with vista or 8.1, and now all it takes is one person reading that one comment somewhere that is negative ,and it justifies the easier opinion based on past experience & prejudice as opposed to factual current experience with the newer OS. Hell, in many cases a person can just hear of someone having a bad experience , not even directly having it themselves, once, twice, or more removed, & still condemn the product in question, since they have that ingrained predgudice.

I'm not citing any particular person here, nor am i debating whether it's fact or not, its 100% undeniable truth of the human condition. All I'm saying is that it's always best to try for yourself and formulate your own opinion. No one should ever let another person do they're thinking for them unless there a child or mentally incapable of making their own decisions. You just have to ask yourself is that you ? Or Are you able to make your own decisions?

Perfect analysis. Thanks for the read @jboydgolfer