My Ryzen 7 3700X OC.

[trickson]

The people who are saying 1.325v is too much are the many who had their chip die at 1.325v. Those are the people who no longer have a 3700x to run because they ran it outside stock spec, at unsafe voltages.

If you ever paid attention to load voltages at stock, they are below 1.3v. Why is that? The safety of the chip as 7nm doesn't like current. Since you don't want to listen to people trying to help go ahead and drop 1.4v in and see what that does.

I'm out of this thread. You don't want to listen? You think AMD is going to hand you a free chip after burning yours? Go for it dude.

Yep!
Yeah I will stick with the 1.35 I have seen specs all over and there is a 1.4V that is danger and I am sticking to that.
I am not saying you are wrong or discounting your help no not at all. I have taken it in fact used it and found, That this CPU will NOT boot at voltages lower than 1.3 period! I have watched the BIOS for days now at the stock setting the voltage on this CPU is from 1.2-1.4+ Voltage and yes it would stay at the 1.4voltage MORE than it would drop to 1.2!
So you are telling me some thing that does NOT quite fit in with what I am seen in MY BIOS.
If you have a BIOS and that BIOS says the voltage at AUTO is currently 1.4 on the CPU VCORE then for a fraction of a second drops to 1.2v then back up to 1.4v and stay for a min then back to 1.3-1.4-1.2-1.4 like this .
I timed it out and in my BIOS and it stays at 1.4 Volts for 5 min and this is at stock!
So going from what you say if I just left my BIOS on my CPU would fry! WTF MAN!

 

[Toothless]

Last post before I give up on you, entirely.

At stock, it will idle at 1.4v or very low load. Under load, it will drop to right under 1.3v. The Vdroop is why this happens and keeps the chip at a safe voltage. If you run any kind of benchmark, it will stay under 1.3v. It's designed for this.

What you're doing is forcing 1.35v all the time, which is above AMD spec, and is what will kill the chip. You have no mention of LLC settings (vdroop) or anything else that's proactive to helping your chip. You didn't do any actual research into this before going for it or you would've seen it. This isn't some Intel chip where the 1.4v max is the safe limit. This is 7nm. This doesn't like voltage. Welcome to the current day of the year because what we've seen in the past doesn't work for this.

 

[trickson]

Last post before I give up on you, entirely.

At stock, it will idle at 1.4v or very low load. Under load, it will drop to right under 1.3v. The Vdroop is why this happens and keeps the chip at a safe voltage. If you run any kind of benchmark, it will stay under 1.3v. It's designed for this.

What you're doing is forcing 1.35v all the time, which is above AMD spec, and is what will kill the chip. You have no mention of LLC settings (vdroop) or anything else that's proactive to helping your chip. You didn't do any actual research into this before going for it or you would've seen it. This isn't some Intel chip where the 1.4v max is the safe limit. This is 7nm. This doesn't like voltage. Welcome to the current day of the year because what we've seen in the past doesn't work for this.

Ok fair enough.
But this is not about voltages this is however about my OC.
I am hitting 4.4Ghz this (FOR ME) is a first. Now the CPU technically can do 4.4GHz on boost well getting it all the time on all the cores is the thing I want and well I got it!
You are focused on voltages and such and that is cool I am NOT focused on that as much.
The most this system does at one time was running my browser /watching a video and running OCCT at the same time oh and I was editing Pictures and posing them on TPU here.
And this TUF Mother Board is just phenomenal!
There are tons of settings I mean stuff I have never heard of!
Putting this CPU on the TUF ASUS MB is AMAZING!

Just wondering what the MB's the dead 3700X CPU's were on.
I would like to see the MB's they were on. Not All boards are created the same... (MSI is lame and has a MOSFT that is just horrible.)
Yeah I really would like to know just how many have died and on what MB.

 

[freeagent]

I put mine back at stock to play with some numbers. At stock core vid is receiving more voltage than what I was supplying under load, and vcore also was higher than what I was giving. Who is right

I am not denying the fact that 3600s and 3700s were dieing. I spent a month reading before I attempted to overclock my CPU. I cant oc it.. I can do what it does but no faster. Meaning I can run all cores at 4600 with an unhealthy amount of voltage, like it does @ stock, but I cant run 4700. That would be a 100mhz oc. 4400 1.268 or 4500 1.337 is all she's got. 4600 @ 1.38 but AVX is kinda tough lol.

 

[trickson]

I put mine back at stock to play with some numbers. At stock core vid is receiving more voltage than what I was supplying under load, and vcore also was higher than what I was giving. Who is right

I am not denying the fact that 3600s and 3700s were dieing. I spent a month reading before I attempted to overclock my CPU. I cant oc it.. I can do what it does but no faster. Meaning I can run all cores at 4600 with an unhealthy amount of voltage, like it does @ stock, but I cant run 4700. That would be a 100mhz oc. 4400 1.268 or 4500 1.337 is all she's got. 4600 @ 1.38 but AVX is kinda tough lol.

This is what I have found to be the case for mine as well.
It will NOT do 4.5Ghz but just fine at 4.4Ghz.
My CPU will NOT boot up with stock settings and 1.2Volts so that's just NOT happening at all. And at 1.3 it is NOT stable! Push (Stock speed settings BTW) to 1.35 and Bam it's all good!
My temps are perfect not even close to 70c.
4.4Ghz is fine for me as long as the temps are fine I think AMD knows what they are doing when it comes to voltage and the CPU life span.
One thing is for sure AMD has taken the Unlock CPU and Locked it up.
There is nothing that says that the Ryzen CPU is Unlocked at all. They do however have a "Boost" this is what I am after. Get all the core to run at that rated speed!
See AMD can't fault me for going for there OWN MAX 24/7 and well so far so good! And I have under volt the CPU too. taking the CPU from the 1.45Vcore the BIOS is saying it is eating up Idle and limiting it to 1.35V core MAX is well IMHO safe!

I have also been looking on google and still can not find all the AMD CPU's that are dying from this voltage stuff. DID a search for MB that Ryzen 7 3700X are dying on and or failing due to over volt and can not find very much at all.

 

[freeagent]

I guess we will find out! This CPU was always meant to be a placeholder for Vermeer. I got it for the exact same price as the Vanilla. I would be a little sad if I hurt it sure, but if I do its on me. I have killed plenty of hardware that I did not seek an RMA for.. Lost my shirt a few times.

 

[trickson]

I guess we will find out! This CPU was always meant to be a placeholder for Vermeer. I got it for the exact same price as the Vanilla. I would be a little sad if I hurt it sure, but if I do its on me. I have killed plenty of hardware that I did not seek an RMA for.. Lost my shirt a few times.

Me too.
I only paid $250.00 for this CPU and I am still saving for the one I wanted on this MB in the first place a Ryzen 9! So it's not a "Big" issue if this CPU does Brick out on me. But I think it will actually be fine I think AMD knows just what they are doing.
I think others have MB's that well for the lack of a better word SUCK.
Poor power controllers and poor power relays with cheap boards and crap material I am NOT seeing that with this TUF system I have setup!
MSI still can't get the MOSFT right and they are killing CPU's! ASUS TUF is NOT some cheep crap, It is TOP of the LINE equipment.
Still going to try for 4.5Ghz with a tad more Vcore (Because AMD DOES KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING)???

 

[freeagent]

MSI is probably okish now. My memories of MSI are not how they portray themselves now. They were slightly better than ECS and Chaintech PC Chips.. I just always held them with a low regard. I know people like them and all, but not this guy. And I don't picture myself buying any of their products.

Use heat as your stopping point, I try not to let it go past 80, 85 being the highest I will allow. I did see a little more than 105c once.. oops wrong voltage.

 

[trickson]

MSI is probably okish now. My memories of MSI are not how they portray themselves now. They were slightly better than ECS and Chaintech PC Chips.. I just always held them with a low regard. I know people like them and all, but not this guy. And I don't picture myself buying any of their products.

Use heat as your stopping point, I try not to let it go past 80, 85 being the highest I will allow. I did see a little more than 105c once.. oops wrong voltage.

I have never seen this CPU pass 60c! Noctua is a beast Cooler!
The MSI X470 is the last MSI product I will ever buy. That system can NOT OC at all it wont even run RAM at the rated speed! It's a good board for stock NOTHING ELSE!

 

[freeagent]

Well.. just wait until you start manually setting voltage, that should change.. As for memory, that could be just the older Zen Architecture.

Edit:

FWIW I can run my CPU @ stock clocks or up to 4400MHz with no fan on my cooler.

 

[trickson]

Well.. just wait until you start manually setting voltage, that should change.. As for memory, that could be just the older Zen Architecture.

Yeah that is what I thought the first gen Ryzen's are good just not at RAM speed.

It's starting to look like I am an AMD (Ryzen) Fanboy!
OMG I did not know I had 3 of them LOL. I could put the Intel Core i7 rig in sig but can't no more room lol.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

This isn't some Intel chip where the 1.4v max is the safe limit.

QFT, this isn't Bloomfield, LOL.

 

[kapone32]

Me too.
I only paid $250.00 for this CPU and I am still saving for the one I wanted on this MB in the first place a Ryzen 9! So it's not a "Big" issue if this CPU does Brick out on me. But I think it will actually be fine I think AMD knows just what they are doing.
I think others have MB's that well for the lack of a better word SUCK.
Poor power controllers and poor power relays with cheap boards and crap material I am NOT seeing that with this TUF system I have setup!
MSI still can't get the MOSFT right and they are killing CPU's! ASUS TUF is NOT some cheep crap, It is TOP of the LINE equipment.
Still going to try for 4.5Ghz with a tad more Vcore (Because AMD DOES KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING)???

I have an MSI X570 Unify that seems to be a pretty good board and don't seem to exhibit the behaviour you mention. I was running a Pro before with a 5600x OC to 4.7 GHZ with no issues. As far as TUF is concerned the warranty used to be 7 years.

 

[trickson]

I have an MSI X570 Unify that seems to be a pretty good board and don't seem to exhibit the behavior you mention. I was running a Pro before with a 5600x OC to 4.7 GHZ with no issues. As far as TUF is concerned the warranty used to be 7 years.

I should have learned a lesson from MY FX8300 (In SIg) Had an MSI mb and it fried out on a 4.1GHz OC NO over volt at all! What a P.O.S. I have the CPU and all the other components (ALL OF THEM) on an ASUS MB at the same speed right now and it is on and running still, Seeing it took the MSI MB to die in 2 months I figure it's safe to say that MSI sucks as it's been 6 months and it's still going strong at said settings. (Listed in sig)
Well my first gen R7 1700x just hates the MSI MB or vs versa.
In any case that is what I have been going through so far.
Yeah this is a (SO FAR) AMAZING MB and Video card combo.
4.4GHz all cores is AMAZING IMHO.
For one AMD says the CPU boosts to that speed and second AMD never says that the CPU is officially unlocked so getting this thing up there IMHO is mega sweet.

 

[kapone32]

Well my first gen R7 1700x just hates the MSI MB or vs versa.
In any case that is what I have been going through so far.
Yeah this is a (SO FAR) AMAZING MB and Video card combo.
4.4GHz all cores is AMAZING IMHO.
For one AMD says the CPU boosts to that speed and second AMD never says that the CPU is officially unlocked so getting this thing up there IMHO is mega sweet.

In my testing As Rock actually had the strongest X370 boards in terms of reliability. 4.4 is the absolute limit on those chips it doesn't matter if you put a 360 or larger loop on that either. The truth of it is that you should not run any AM4 CPU at a constant high voltage. A recommendation would be to ensure Cool and Quiet are enabled in the BIOS so that the chip isn't sitting at 1.35 volts in idle.

 

[trickson]

In my testing As Rock actually had the strongest X370 boards in terms of reliability. 4.4 is the absolute limit on those chips it doesn't matter if you put a 360 or larger loop on that either. The truth of it is that you should not run any AM4 CPU at a constant high voltage. A recommendation would be to ensure Cool and Quiet are enabled in the BIOS so that the chip isn't sitting at 1.35 volts in idle.

4.4Ghz is FINE! It is fantastic in fact lol. And safe or not it is staying at the voltage it has.
If 1.35 volts kills this CPU I will NEVER buy another AMD in my LIFE!
I see no point in a CPU that needs to be powered up at idle ( BIOS says 1.4-1.45 FOR DUCK SAKE) and at full load needing only DUCKING 1.2 Volts to operate and if over clocked the CPU dies? WTD??
what is going on I have NOT heard of this till now, Please show me some stats how many are dying off? Is this happening to everyone??? this zit is so DUCKING INSANE!

 

[freeagent]

I don't know.. I pretty much came to the same conclusion. I am running it within its normal operating range on both voltages. Temps are perfectly acceptable running something so hard I would never do it otherwise. If these are really that fragile, they deserve to die because they have no place with us.

 

[trickson]

I don't know.. I pretty much came to the same conclusion. I am running it within its normal operating range on both voltages. Temps are perfectly acceptable running something so hard I would never do it otherwise. If these are really that fragile, they deserve to die because they have no place with us.

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RIGHT! I mean RIGHT!

 

[kapone32]

4.4Ghz is FINE! It is fantastic in fact lol. And safe or not it is staying at the voltage it has.
If 1.35 volts kills this CPU I will NEVER buy another AMD in my LIFE!
I see no point in a CPU that needs to be powered up at idle ( BIOS says 1.4-1.45 FOR DUCK SAKE) and at full load needing only DUCKING 1.2 Volts to operate and if over clocked the CPU dies? WTD??
what is going on I have NOT heard of this till now, Please show me some stats how many are dying off? Is this happening to everyone??? this zit is so DUCKING INSANE!

I am not debating whether or not you should do anything (It is YOUR computer) you spent your money and are enjoying your investment to the fullest. All I am stating is you cannot get any higher in terms of clock speed as a an objective fact. I don't know of CPUs dying except my very own 2920X that was the only CPU I have ever did an RMA on. All CPUs will run at high voltage on start up.

 

[biffzinker]

Here's a degraded Ryzen 5 3600X for your viewing pleasure. Chip was abused with to much voltage, and fixed all core overclock resulting in it only being stable at 3.4 GHz.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Is this safe at stock? Or do I need to scramble to the BIOS? This is at idle, pretty much! Update: HWInfo64 showed 1.2V when running Cinebench R23.

 

[biffzinker]

Is this safe at stock? Or do I need to scramble to the BIOS? This is at idle, pretty much! View attachment 187582

If it's stock with either/both boost turned on that's fine, unless you're forcing it all core overclock at that voltage.

The RAM clock speed is 2133 MHz, might want to turn on the memory profile A-XMP in the BIOS.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

If it's stock with either/both boost turned on that's fine, unless you're forcing it all core overclock at that voltage.

The RAM clock speed is 2133 MHz, might want to turn on the memory profile A-XMP in the BIOS.

I kept it at stock and was more panicky, because of the 3rd gens apparently degrading easily! It boosts to 4.4 on some cores. Anyone thinks I have a golden batch?
In fact, I kept the RAM at 2133 the whole time, because I don't even know if I can use XMP without Windows corruption or not...

 

[Zach_01]

Ohh..

So you would consider this dangerous then?
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Your CPU has a default max PPT of 88W, EDC of 90A and TDC of 60A.
Now in that screenshot you have
PPT: 115W
EDC: 125A
TDC: 70A

The actual power consumption (PPT) of 115W is not all that bad, even if it was 125 or 150W...
The TDC of 70A is not all that significant IF you keep an eye on temps. TDC is "Thermal Design Current" means the max allowed Current (A) under thermal throttling if and when that occurs (>= 95C). And it should be over 60A.

The most concerning is EDC (ElectricDesignCurrent) value of 125A. 7nm process node has thinner traces and transistor gates. The worst enemy of any chip as an integrated circuit is EMI (electromigration).

"Electromigration decreases the reliability of chips (integrated circuits (ICs)). It can cause the eventual loss of connections or failure of a circuit."

"With increasing miniaturization, the probability of failure due to electromigration increases in VLSI and ULSI circuits because both the power density and the current density increase. Specifically, line widths will continue to decrease over time, as will wire cross-sectional areas. Currents are also reduced due to lower supply voltages and shrinking gate capacitances. However, as current reduction is constrained by increasing frequencies, the more marked decrease in cross-sectional areas (compared to current reduction) will give rise to increased current densities in ICs going forward."

We are not pulling stuff out of our arse because we dont like any one to have their fan or to not OC just because we like it that way... The risks are real and 7nm is too new for users and past experience with 12/14nm or grater nodes is completely irrelevant.
From my understanding what you (sadly and unfortunately) fail to grasp is that you cant use that voltage with any load/current. It seem wierd and odd to you why we suggest that 1.35~1.4V is too much when stock settings are pushing even 1.5V, right? I've said it a few times but you seem to skip it or dont want to understand it, I really dont know...
Stock settings are supplying high voltages when load/current is low only! If load gradually increases, up to max, the voltage is gradually dropped to 1.2V~1.3V (depends if its AVX or not) to keep current under check. The voltage and speed is determined by the quality of chip's silicon but its around that.

The major cause of EMI is high current.-
High temperature is worsen it by far, even if its under throttle temp (95C). For once more... the videos I provided show a way to determine the safe voltage. Because the CPU it self when on stock is monitoring current and temp to regulate speed and voltage to preserve silicon. These CPUs have an internal silicon manager/controller called FIT. (Silicon FITness controller).
If you had better cooler and your temp was like 70~75C then a 125A wouldnt be that bad... At 80+C is a very different story.

By the author of HWiNFO:
CPU "Core VIDs" are just a requested voltage of each core and not the actual supplied voltage. For starters the VRM system cannot supply multiple voltages but only one. The "CPU Core VID (effective)" is the "winning" request among all, but still is not the supplied voltage.
"Vcore" is the CPU core voltage reading by the board sensor (could by inaccurate and probably is).
"VR VOUT" (if exists) is the voltage reading by the VRM sensor (could by inaccurate and probably is, even on high quality VRMs).
"CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN)" is a reading value pulled straight from inside the CPU and most accurate core voltage and closest to real as possible.

Again... I'm not the one saying this but the person who wrote HWiNFO.

I kept it at stock and was more panicky, because of the 3rd gens apparently degrading easily! It boosts to 4.4 on some cores. Anyone thinks I have a golden batch?
In fact, I kept the RAM at 2133 the whole time, because I don't even know if I can use XMP without Windows corruption or not...

You can use DRAM XMP/DOCP without any fear of damage. The worst case scenario is to be unstable but damage is out of the question. If its unstable the you could try to make it stable, with some help of course.

Is this safe at stock? Or do I need to scramble to the BIOS? This is at idle, pretty much! Update: HWInfo64 showed 1.2V when running Cinebench R23.View attachment 187582

Its fine! The only "wrong" thing I can see is the low DRAM speed and the asynchronous speeds of UCLK and FCLK. The system is missing some performance.

 

[trickson]

Just got my internet back Comcrap once again shut us down without any notice for 6 hours so nice of them!

I am fully happy at 4.4GHz and the RAM at it's rated 3466MHz as well.
It's a perfect OC. I knew it NO one can give us any ANY real information on this Voltage issue It would seem you are all going off some Youtube dummy.
Very little information if you ask me. That is NOT proof that MY CPU will get some BS degradation that is such BS IMHO anyway!
If a CPU is in any way faulty it is NOT going to work at all I call PURE BS on all this voltage talk if this is the ONLY evidence you have then OMG BULLSHET!
See and just because all the Youtube Professional bullshet artists have done all there reviews and have scared every one away some one comes along and questions there BS.
I have stopped watching the Youtube reviews It's so stupid they get this stuff month in advance and tap the crap out of it and then tell every one else about there so called findings.
I found them to be wrong so many times I do not watch that crap anymore. What is the point? I can run my CPU at 4.4GHz 24/7 and it's fine But wait this youtube reviewer says you can't get that why are you getting that!!! OMG!
The pure Hubris.
And this is NOT evidence that ANY AMD CPU is having voltage issues! NOT one shred!

Here's a degraded Ryzen 5 3600X for your viewing pleasure. Chip was abused with to much voltage, and fixed all core overclock resulting in it only being stable at 3.4 GHz.