New graphics card

[Vayra86]

Keep putting words in my mouth lads.

4070 is a 1440p card, where 12 GB is more than enough.
4060 is a 1080p card where 8 GB is more than enough.

AMD "value" starts to get questionable when you realise the only place you consistently need 16 GB is in 4K, and most of their cards are 1440p orientated, with small caches and narrow memory bandwidth, so they don't scale past 1440p particularly well.

VRAM argument is cried about every year, but it doesn't change reality. 4K textures today aren't magically bigger than 4K textures five years ago.

You could make the argument the VRAM is good for AI stuff, but again, that's NVIDIA territory.

If you look at what consumers want and buy, pretty much everything from both NVIDIA and AMD is priced exactly where it will sell for profit, and your opinions won't change that either. If you want a premium product you pay for it, and comparing simple spec numbers like VRAM between different architectures hasn't ever been nor ever will be a genuine comparison.

Not doing that at all, you're just wrong. You're pushing 600 dollar Supers as a good alternative for a 300 dollar budget here.

4060 is barely a 1080p card, but for its purpose, (720p with an upscale, probably) it'll probably run Starfield at pseudo 1080p, sure. Not much more, but hey, like you said, stuff is priced exactly where it'll sell for profit. Not for the best gaming experience at a said price point. The fact simply is consoles push more so games will ask more, and on a PC that means you are compromising on an x60 class card regardless of resolution today. There's no way around it. Quality gets dynamically tweaked as you play these days, remember.

Similar things apply to 12GB for 1440p - except not today, but 1-2 years from today, for sure. The unicorns already exist today though where you would definitely prefer more.

It also depends a lot, like pointed out, on what you play and how you play. Mod your games and you'll want more. Do anything out of the plain mainstream ordinary (start up and play your linear action game) and you'll likely want more, and that's really what PC gaming is about isn't it.

 

[dgianstefani]

4060 is barely a 1080p card, but for its purpose, (720p with an upscale, probably) it'll probably run Starfield at pseudo 1080p, sure. Not much more, but hey, like you said, stuff is priced exactly where it'll sell for profit. Not for the best gaming experience at a said price point.

"the best" gaming experience is relative.

I'd pick a 4070 with superior ai and aliasing properties, with a behemoth driver team and good support for cutting edge rendering tech over a similarly priced competitor card that is ~10% faster in basic raster, but that's because I actually have used and know the value of those features. Someone else would comfortably tell you it's all rubbish and bloat and raw raster fps will always be the only relevant metric. Oh, and don't forget all that necessary VRAM.

 

[Vayra86]

"the best" gaming experience is relative.

I'd pick a 4070 with superior ai and aliasing properties, with a behemoth driver team and good support for cutting edge rendering tech over a similarly priced competitor card that is ~10% faster in basic raster, but that's because I actually have used and know the value of those features. Someone else would comfortably tell you it's all rubbish and bloat and raw raster fps will always be the only relevant metric. Oh, and don't forget all that necessary VRAM.

And you're entitled to do that, but nowhere has OP mentioned that any of that was important. The main argument is price/perf, or bang/buck, and streaming, if I recall. If you're here to push your viewpoint of the 'best gaming cards' please do indicate that, because in terms of good advice this wasn't going places was it.

 

[dgianstefani]

OP asked for recommendations, then people immediately started talking about VRAM.

You are the one who started talking about "the best", hence my quote.

And you're entitled to do that, but nowhere has OP mentioned that any of that was important. The main argument is price/perf, or bang/buck, and streaming, if I recall. If you're here to push your viewpoint of the 'best gaming cards' please do indicate that, because in terms of good advice this wasn't going places was it.

 

[Vayra86]

OP asked for recommendations, then people immediately started talking about VRAM.

You are the one who started talking about "the best", hence my quote.

At a price point. Context

 

[AsRock]

A 12GB card proves 8GB issues are overblown. Righto
As for Super, that's certainly an option, but OP is in the budget range of 300-350.
You can also get 7800XT today for 500.
Ada simply lacks good options below that amount. The 4060 8GB... myeah, if streaming is all you do with it, but its still a shit card. x60ti 16GB is an utter waste of time, there's no bandwidth there to suit 16GB. I'm totally into the argument for streaming > NV. But there are limits to that too, Ada below x70 is just no go territory imho, the 288GB/s in bandwidth is simply obsolete today.

With that said, he be better of just saving up more and maybe prices drop some more or even new cards come out.


I would wait personalty, then again what he plan to use it for like what games or are they even in to AA titles.

 

[Vayra86]

With that said, he be better of just saving up more and maybe prices drop some more or even new cards come out.


I would wait personalty.

Will you get a better offer than 6700XT perf at $340,- though, I doubt it.

The more likely scenario is you'll simply just pay more to get more. You can do that today. Still, sure, an option it is, and I'll be the last to NOT recommend getting higher class cards than x60.

 

[dgianstefani]

With that said, he be better of just saving up more and maybe prices drop some more or even new cards come out.


I would wait personalty, then again what he plan to use it for like what games or are they even in to AA titles.

Precisely, with supers dropping, existing cards will become cheaper, wouldn't be surprised to see 4070 at $450/500 and 4070S at $550/600. At which point recommending last gen cards becomes pretty moot.

 

[Frick]

I'd pick a 4070 with superior ai and aliasing properties, with a behemoth driver team and good support for cutting edge rendering tech over a similarly priced competitor card that is ~10% faster in basic raster, but that's because I actually have used and know the value of those features. Someone else would comfortably tell you it's all rubbish and bloat and raw raster fps will always be the only relevant metric. Oh, and don't forget all that necessary VRAM.

OP asks for recommendations for a €350 card, suggesting a €600+ card is not helpful. Money can be real hard to get.

 

[Vayra86]

Precisely, with supers dropping, existing cards will become cheaper, wouldn't be surprised to see 4070 at $450/500 and 4070S at $550/600. At which point recommending last gen cards becomes pretty moot.

And then you've paid 100-150 more for a card that can... game and stream. Find the ten differences
Still I totally get the sentiment though, its not a bad path, but only IF you want to stretch that far. The other side of the coin is, that even an Ada refresh is old news at the point it gets released. Its not really a new gen, no new tech or anything.

 

[dgianstefani]

xx60 cards and rx x700 cards have always been high 1080p/optimised settings 1440p cards, so the VRAM argument is not very meaningful, just get whatever is better for streaming.

And then you've paid 100-150 more for a card that can... game and stream. Find the ten differences

The... Differences between a slower card and a faster one? Is this meant to be a meaningful comment?

 

[Vayra86]

xx60 cards and rx x700 cards have always been high 1080p/optimised settings 1440p cards, so the VRAM argument is not very meaningful, just get whatever is better for streaming.


The... Differences between a slower card and a faster one? Is this meant to be a meaningful comment?

Let's see...

What was the price gap again, in %?

Come on man.

Anyway, we can add another page, it won't be adding much new. There is no relative advantage to getting faster cards here. They just cost an equal amount more. OP's budget is the deciding factor.

i'm not really familiar with all these, all i can understand is that if i get the radeon one i have to use AMF encoder. Is it a huge problem the lack of AV1 or with the AMF i'm okay? If i'm gonna have problems in encoding or anything similar, to me it sounds better to even get the 3060 that is 12GB otherwise out of all the graphics cards the 6700 is the best one so far. I'm very confuced with all the info because i'm really an amateur on this part.

This is really the best take for a today decision, still, if we consider the streaming purposes. In budget, with the right featureset, and capable of higher res/settings. Also, better bandwidth on a 3060 than a 4060.
However, there's a full tier of cards (and then some) in raster perf there you lose at similar $$. Is streaming worth that: 3060 12G. Its not? 6700XT. Both shit? Save money and get x70.

 

[AsRock]

Will you get a better offer than 6700XT perf at $340,- though, I doubt it.

The more likely scenario is you'll simply just pay more to get more. You can do that today. Still, sure, an option it is, and I'll be the last to NOT recommend getting higher class cards than x60.

Depends what kind of person he is, some don't want the flashy some don't even play demanding games. Again it depends on what he\she is in too.

I know a 6700 for me be near pointless, then he cannot go all that much higher anyways due to PSU.

It's all guess work until there is context.

 

[dgianstefani]

Let's see...

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What was the price gap again, in %?

Come on man.

Anyway, we can add another page, it won't be adding much new. There is no relative advantage to getting faster cards here. They just cost an equal amount more. OP's budget is the deciding factor.

As I said, some people will exclusively compare raster perf as the be all and end all, but that's not the only measure of value.

I know a 6700 for me be near pointless, then he cannot go all that much higher anyways due to PSU.

Depends, he can go up to 4070 with NV, 6700XT with AMD due to the efficiency difference.

 

[Sithaer]

OP asks for recommendations for a €350 card, suggesting a €600+ card is not helpful. Money can be real hard to get.

I can relate to that as a budget-mid range user at most, when I'm upgrading or building a new system I always have a set budget thats pretty strict and I can't just stretch it just because theres a better option for ~ 100+ $ more.
There is always a better option for 'oh just spend a little more' cause thats an easy way to double my budget which I cannot do so I just stick to my budgets and buy whatever best for my preferences/use case fits that and if I keep saving up for something better then I will never end up buying anything. 'or maybe end up buying something that I did not even need in the first place..'

The type of games mentioned in the OP aint exactly hard to run either.

 

[dgianstefani]

I mean, while he's at it, should swap the 5600G too, but that's another discussion. Slow, cache starved six core APU isn't really a good pairing with any of the cards being proposed.

As others have mentioned, specs are needed. At 1080p, none of the options suggested are bad.

At 1440p you don't really want lower than an xx70 card.

 

[evernessince]

I mean, while he's at it, should swap the 5600G too, but that's another discussion. Slow, cache starved six core APU isn't really a good pairing with any of the cards being proposed.

As others have mentioned, specs are needed. At 1080p, none of the options suggested are bad.

At 1440p you don't really want lower than an xx70 card.

Yep, his budget for his GPU is good because it basically maxed out what his CPU can handle. Considering the games he listed, he would stand to gain more putting any additional funds past his current budget towards a better CPU.

 

[dgianstefani]

It's the issue of upgrading an entry level build. You're either locked into entry level forever, or you bite the bullet and do a rebuild. It's why I don't recommend entry level.

 

[Vayra86]

It's the issue of upgrading an entry level build. You're either locked into entry level forever, or you bite the bullet and do a rebuild. It's why I don't recommend entry level.

Yep I agree, but there are still ways out of this one, not our preferred options, perhaps, but in budget.

 

[dgianstefani]

The way out is to increase the budget, or you're simply updating entry level.

Say he buys a 4060 or whatever, then later upgrades his cpu to a good eight core, now he's stuck with a 4060 and a weak PSU. No good options at this budget.

 

[nomdeplume]

It's the issue of upgrading an entry level build. You're either locked into entry level forever, or you bite the bullet and do a rebuild. It's why I don't recommend entry level.

Ha, in a constantly shifting landscape that has other priorities far above consumer satisfaction. I'd posit if both systems become outdated at the same time and place. The only true measure of relevance is quality of use during that period. This might not be so far from the reality here.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The solution to budget problems is to patient game. Its what I've done for the last several years. Put together my 5800x3d and 6800XT system for $1100 since I picked up everything used in October 2022 when everyone was fire selling their old stuff to be able to afford the new stuff.

Today's entry level is yesterday's mid-range, which was high end the day before. So just play all the games from back when your card would have been high end at max graphics and nice smooth frames.

Saves a ton of money on software since all the games will be discounted, on hardware since you're either buying entry level or a higher end card used for less money, just have to overcome a smidge of FOMO and hope MP games keep their communities alive if you're into that kind of thing (I'm not).

Been playing through FO4, Witcher 3, Hellblade, etc with cranked out graphics 144FPS 1440P. They're not the most recent games, but they still look damn good and run great as well on yesterday's top end hardware.

 

[Frick]

At 1440p you don't really want lower than an xx70 card.

Depends on the games. My 3060ti was fine for 4K even, with managed expectations.

It's the issue of upgrading an entry level build. You're either locked into entry level forever, or you bite the bullet and do a rebuild. It's why I don't recommend entry level.

I don't even understand your point. "Have more money" is not good advice. Entry level is fine, with managed expectations, but WoW, Valorant and say BG3 don't really require a high end system to begin with.

No good options at this budget.

This is true for every budget today. That said, there are better and worse options, and a 6700XT would be a solid performer at that prices. Sure prives can come down when the supers drop, but that is hugely dependant on where the OP lives.

As for the streaming question, I'd say it depends on how serious OP is about it. If gaming is the primary thing the 6700xt is a fine choice on a budget.

 

[ratirt]

@nipav 4060 is a no go in my opinion especially if you consider the price range. You can get a better card with your money than this. 6700XT is in the performance range of a 4060Ti at 1440p. I would really consider 6700XT especially for the price and the performance. Not to mention the Vram it has. You can look these up and decide.

 

[Vayra86]

The way out is to increase the budget, or you're simply updating entry level.

Say he buys a 4060 or whatever, then later upgrades his cpu to a good eight core, now he's stuck with a 4060 and a weak PSU. No good options at this budget.

Then you can just upgrade the rest later when the need arises. Its not like you're paying double anywhere. You're just moving the expense to the moment that suits you.