New Leak Reveals NVIDIA RTX 5080 Is Slower Than RTX 4090

[dia6olo]

The only 50 series that makes sense is the 5070 Ti and even then I'd wait to see how the 9070 XT compares.
While the 5080 is going to be better than the 5070Ti, I don't see it getting anywhere near outperforming it by 30+ % which is how much extra they are charging for it.
I think at best the 5080 beats the 5070 Ti by 15%...

 

[Crackong]

10752 is worst than 16384

 

[Dragam1337]

Nah, that's just pure copium.

Copium is a kind word for it.

 

[Visible Noise]

Didn’t we already know this?

So the 5080 really is just a 4080 Super Duper with Updated Framegen with no price increase.

Nvidia swears they can't add more raster because it's too hard, but not adding any raster improvement per watt is pretty silly because it lays bare the whole con. They're updating the AI hardware, not the graphics engine, and they're desperate to convince everyone that they had to do it. They couldn't be expected to improve raster meaningfully. It was just impossible.

They could. They just didn't and they didn't because they're an AI company now and not a graphics company.

Have you watched or read Mark Cerney’s presentation about raster performance increases?

I’ll summarize for you: Sony and AMD are also saying rasterized graphics are tapped out.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Color me surprised

This is the first time I can remember an 80 class Nvidia card not matching or beating the previous flagship even the weak RTX 2080 at least came out slightly ahead of the 1080ti.

#progress

Nah, that's just pure copium.

It's sad even though they could only do so much with the 5090 without making it 800mm2 they could have done more with every card below it a 1200 usd 4090 like card would have been fine maybe they don't want it all that close to their precious 90 class anymore.

Hopefully reviews are better than expected but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[remekra]

This is the first time I can remember an 80 class Nvidia card not matching or beating the previous flagship even the weak RTX 2080 at least came out slightly ahead of the 1080ti.

#progress



It's sad even though they could only do so much with the 5090 without making it 800mm2 they could have done more with every card below it a 1200 usd 4090 like card would have been fine maybe they don't want it all that close to their precious 90 class anymore.

Hopefully reviews are better than expected but I'm not holding my breath.

They have no incentive to do so. They are turning into Intel when AMD forgot how to make good CPUs, too bad for now AMD forgot about GPUs this time. That and AI craze.

Let's hope that next gen we will see competition from top to bottom.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

They have no incentive to do so. They are turning into Intel when AMD forgot how to make good CPUs, too bad for now AMD forgot about GPUs this time. That and AI craze.

Let's hope that next gen we will see competition from top to bottom.

I totally get that but if AMD wanted to they could for sure kill the 5080 by just making a monolithic RDNA4 card the size of the 7900XTX and they aren't even that competent in my book...

I guarantee you AMD is kicking themselves right now.

 

[remekra]

I totally get that but if AMD wanted to they could for sure kill the 5080 by just making a monolithic RDNA4 card the size of the 7900XTX and they aren't even that competent in my book...

I guarantee you AMD is kicking themselves right now.

For now they are too busy trying to catch up nvidia in enterprise to sell as many Instinct cards as possible, while also trying to make ROCm compete with CUDA, because that's where the money is currently.
We can hope it will trinkle down to gaming with UDNA. RDNA4 seems just like a stop gap to make investors calm.

 

[Mister300]

I said it a week ago and I'll say it again: This generation is a software update

My software update came from Steam for 6.99 USD its called lossless scaling app. Ngreedia is selling its DLSS 4 and FG to claim FPS gaming perf results, not spending 19000 for this boost unless I am doing AI or ML.

 

[bonehead123]

Well, sorry if this sounds harsh, but.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

 

[Tomgang]

Hmm yeah. I need and upgrade. 5090 is to exspensive and rtx 5070 ti is just as fast as rtx 4090 according to Nvidia them self and they would never lie right, 5080 seems perfect to replace my rtx 4090....

So it looks like even after over 2 years i can still say i have the second fastest Nvidia gpu. I say Nvidia cause it's unknown what amd can bring to the table of performance. No complaints here, i will happely accept second place still

 

[TheEndIsNear]

I've been saying this for a while. They've hit a wall of physics. Generational jumps in performance are done until they find something else or some material or something. Making it the same way I don't see much improvement.

 

[Sound_Card]

I've been saying this for a while. They've hit a wall of physics. Generational jumps in performance are done until they find something else or some material or something. Making it the same way I don't see much improvement.

Next generation will be 4 fake frames.

Sometimes I wonder if Crossfire/SLI will come back because of the wall. Wasn't multi GPU support being put in the next direct X?

 

[sethmatrix7]

Well if the 5070 and 5070 ti are going to scale off that then I may not upgrade from the 3080. Little disappointing because I got a beautiful AOC 240hz 1440p OLED for $400 around Christmas time I’m looking to really drive.

Would like to upgrade but the value may be so bad it’s unjustifiable for me.

 

[Sound_Card]

The lack of competent Radeon competition is strong in these Blackwell prices/performance improvements.

until/unless AMD competes in the high end, this is what to expect. Higher prices, lesser performance uplifts (vs the predecessor).

No, I'm sorry, but just no. Consumers and consumers alone are responsible for the prices of graphics cards. They would not charge these prices if people were not willing to pay for them, and clearly, they are willing to pay for them. Unfortunately, 700, 800, 900 1k and up graphics cards are absolutely essential in their lives, and they don't hesitate to buy them, and from what I have seen ... with money they don't have. This is why I got a laptop a few years ago instead of buying a desktop, because they are actually somewhat immune to the insane price gauging in the discrete.

 

[Dazzm8]

I mean yeah? obviously it was going to be

It's only been more obvious in recent times, back in the day the 'new generation' 70 series class card would generally beat the previous flagship by 5-10% making the 70 series class of the new generation always attractive.

These days, I was hoping to upgrade my 6800XT to a 5080 but more likely it's going to be a 9070XT due to the price/perf difference, but as usual I'll be waiting for reviews.

 

[Krit]

No, I'm sorry, but just no. Consumers and consumers alone are responsible for the prices of graphics cards. They would not charge these prices if people were not willing to pay for them, and clearly, they are willing to pay for them. Unfortunately, 700, 800, 900 1k and up graphics cards are absolutely essential in their lives, and they don't hesitate to buy them, and from what I have seen ... with money they don't have. This is why I got a laptop a few years ago instead of buying a desktop, because they are actually somewhat immune to the insane price gauging in the discrete.

Finally someone tells 100% truth it's a shame that there are so few people with this mindset. Most people can't see beyond their noses...

 

[x4it3n]

I hope it can at least match the 4090 at the time of release.

I hope you're being sarcastic because otherwise the delusion is real lol

 

[hsew]

This is turning into a +25% generation. Hoping AMD realize that nVidia is going to have to switch to MCM chiplet-based GPUs within the next generation or two. That’ll be their time to strike.

 

[_roman_]

They are turning into Intel when AMD forgot how to make good CPUs, too bad for now AMD forgot about GPUs this time.

I would also not really bother as AMD when no one buys my graphic cards.

Why should amd make a better product when the nvidia sticker counts more regardless.

 

[Sound_Card]

Finally someone tells 100% truth it's a shame that there are so few people with this mindset. Most people can't see beyond their noses...

My last graphics chip was a HD 6950 for $300 brand new. Great bang for buck and was near top of the line for both AMD and Nvidia. Lasted me 11 years and still works. I don't expect people to go that long on a graphics card, but when I see people go from a 3080 to a 4080, or a 3090 to a 4090 to a 5090, I can't help but laugh. What a waste.

 

[freeagent]

My last graphics chip was a HD 6950 for $300 brand new. Great bang for buck and was near top of the line for both AMD and Nvidia. Lasted me 11 years and still works. I don't expect people to go that long on a graphics card, but when I see people go from a 3080 to a 4080, or a 3090 to a 4090 to a 5090, I can't help but laugh. What a waste.

When I started my family, my GTX580 Matrix Platinum was already 2 years old, I used it for 8 years lol

Not that I wanted to.. but there is a big difference going from a single guy to holy shit I have 2 kids and all these fecking bills lol.

 

[x4it3n]

Who really thought that the 4080 with 5% more CUDA Cores and 30% more bandwidth would be faster than the 4090 with 60% more Cores and 37% more bandwidth ?

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Next generation will be 4 fake frames.

Sometimes I wonder if Crossfire/SLI will come back because of the wall. Wasn't multi GPU support being put in the next direct X?

Yes it's called mGPU & it ends up being heavily CPU limited compared to the driver-based multi-GPU like S.L.I or crossfire.
Check out the game Chernobylite it support mGPU with Raytracing.
You can run two RTX 4090 with this game.

 

[freeagent]

When I was looking at reviews for my new case I saw it fit 2x 4080s with no problem, just swallowed them up.. thought that was neat and should come in handy once things level off for me