Nicehash Ad on TPU main site

[sneekypeet]

I said something along these lines in the forum issues thread previously, but deleted it as it was off topic, along with all the other posts going on about this.

Was all gone before I woke up.

 

[Durvelle27]

I thought I had a virus at first until I realized it was a ad

 

[sneekypeet]

I thought I had a virus at first until I realized it was a ad

When I saw the uproar before bed, I looked at the home page, opened task manager, and was like *shrugs* not making money directly off my machine, let the ad roll!

 

[Durvelle27]

When I saw the uproar before bed, I looked at the home page, opened task manager, and was like *shrugs* not making money directly off my machine, let the ad roll!

Same

Doesn't bother me. Just the color is very apparent. My eyes don't like bright colors

 

[sneekypeet]

Same

Doesn't bother me. Just the color is very apparent. My eyes don't like bright colors

I said the color makes for cranky pants

 

[Splinterdog]

This is one of the few sites where I have the adblocker turned off, mainly because I'm usually on the forum side and let's face it, the site needs the income from ads. I simply ignore the ads I'm not interested in when they do pop up.
This Bitcoin ad is certainly garish, which is what it's supposed to be to the grab attention, but I'm certainly not offended by it. To say that Nicehash, amongst others, is responsible for the GPU shortage and therefore by default should not be advertising here, doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Kapone33]

PS Part Deux:

I didn't even get into the topic of scalpers as they make me sick... But beyond the silicon issues those are the people you should be pissed at...

Now if TPU were to run an advert for a bot to buy GPUs, so you could scalp them... Then, I would be right along side you pulling up a pitchfork.

Alas, I do not see W1zz or the advertising staff approving such things, so once again... Please let us find something better to spend our gray matter on.

Be well... V2

It's not the scalpers. It's Nvidia and it's partners selling cards directly to "clients". There are a total of 25 6800XT's based in North America when I checked Ebay this morning (shipping to Canada). Just after the launch of Nvidia's 3000 series there was a picture posted of a mining farm with 78 cards. That was more cards than was available in all of Canada. The other thing is the 3080 is still impossible to find retail but you can actually get one in a prebuilt. That is also outside of the manufacturer/distributor/retailer pipeline at either the 1st or 2nd point in the process. The only thing that bothers me about the whole thing is how some in the Community are quick to blame anyone other than Nvidia. Where is AMD in the argument you might say well Nvidia only makes GPUs while AMD is using the same 7nm for Consoles, CPUs and GPUs at time when the interest in electronic Gaming is at an all time high.

 

[Fouquin]

I've never seen a gpu that has a carry handle on it lol

This is about as close as it gets, but definitely not modern!

 

[Lionheart]

Ad doesn't bother me, I actually like the orange background, livens the site up abit, kinda like what AMD did with their Ryzen packaging.

 

[Punx223]

It's not the scalpers. It's Nvidia and it's partners selling cards directly to "clients". There are a total of 25 6800XT's based in North America when I checked Ebay this morning (shipping to Canada). Just after the launch of Nvidia's 3000 series there was a picture posted of a mining farm with 78 cards. That was more cards than was available in all of Canada. The other thing is the 3080 is still impossible to find retail but you can actually get one in a prebuilt. That is also outside of the manufacturer/distributor/retailer pipeline at either the 1st or 2nd point in the process. The only thing that bothers me about the whole thing is how some in the Community are quick to blame anyone other than Nvidia. Where is AMD in the argument you might say well Nvidia only makes GPUs while AMD is using the same 7nm for Consoles, CPUs and GPUs at time when the interest in electronic Gaming is at an all time high.

I agree with some of your points, with the exception of actual stock levels.

I have seen wild assertions of single digit allocation for a large country/consumer base which is patently false.

Also, worth mentioning, OEM always get first dibs on parts, not just GPU, but chipsets and CPUS as well.

It is easier and far more profitable for AMD/Nvidia/Intel to sell bulk pack/Tray/etc products to an OEM like HP/Dell/etc than to DIY users, this is purely due to scale and lack of end user support.

Thats the same way you see that even when consumer CPUs can be on shortage, there is rarely a shortage for enterprise... This is because there is a tiering system in regards to allocation, and all companies involved know what their bread and butter is.



This is not just electronics either, for example, I spent a decent stint of my career working in automotive which I guess would explain why I tend to lean into parallels with that industry.

But, we have all seen "fleet vehicles" and just so you know, i have seen when parts such as transmissions or engines were on shortage at GM, and they opted to equip base model stripped down fleet vehicles versus building consumer cars where they make more profit. The reason is, they know who pays the bills at the end of the day and less hassle to deal with as well.

 

[dragontamer5788]

I'm not offended by the ad.
It's ugly and orange but it's at least relevant to some of the audience here, I know for a fact that several TPU forum members are miners.

Sure, gamers dislike miners for buying up all the stock and contributing to the issues of high demand and low supply but they're not breaking any laws and there's nothing stopping any of us from doing the same thing, other than perhaps morals/ethics. I'm not going to enforce my morals/ethics on others though - that's neither legal nor respectable.

My only financial support for TPU is the ad revenue so as long as it doesn't obscure any content, I'll just tolerate it no matter how eye-watering the colourscheme may be.

I think I agree with this post the most so far.

The most offensive part of the ad to me was its color scheme, which probably warrants a level of discussion. At least, the most offensive part of the ad to me. I see that other posters here have their own opinions. This is a quickly moving topic, so maybe understanding other people's perspectives here is important...

I'm no miner, and I don't own any cryptocoins at all. But I do appreciate the GPU-tutorials and GPU-code miners have published, which has effectively taught me how to get into OpenCL and higher-performance programming. I generally have negative feelings towards today's financial-obsessed people: be they banks, hedge funds, or cryptocoins. But I understand the fun of playing with lotto-tickets, even if I don't plan on partaking in it.

 

[ppn]

the website body doesn't widen beyond 1080p and doesn't have the side bars, only 1440p 4K guys have it the worst, wearing a door frame like orange coat. But this ad got me very badly. Im hurt, as I am probaly the only one selling my card very cheaply too soon to a miner not knowing what comes next. when i could sell it now to a friend in need for the right price of course.. this too shall pass.

 

[TheUn4seen]

It baffles me that there actually are people in this world who don't use any kind of adblock. Judging from the screenshot in the OP, the color scheme of the ad is murder for the eyes.
As for what's advertised, I think the current crypto boom is great. I got my 3080 essentially for free (bought a 3090 at launch, sold for twice the price, got the 3080 slightly above MSRP) and it's earning it's keep as we speak. What a time to be alive.

 

[Kapone33]

I agree with some of your points, with the exception of actual stock levels.

I have seen wild assertions of single digit allocation for a large country/consumer base which is patently false.

Also, worth mentioning, OEM always get first dibs on parts, not just GPU, but chipsets and CPUS as well.

It is easier and far more profitable for AMD/Nvidia/Intel to sell bulk pack/Tray/etc products to an OEM like HP/Dell/etc than to DIY users, this is purely due to scale and lack of end user support.

Thats the same way you see that even when consumer CPUs can be on shortage, there is rarely a shortage for enterprise... This is because there is a tiering system in regards to allocation, and all companies involved know what their bread and butter is.



This is not just electronics either, for example, I spent a decent stint of my career working in automotive which I guess would explain why I tend to lean into parallels with that industry.

But, we have all seen "fleet vehicles" and just so you know, i have seen when parts such as transmissions or engines were on shortage at GM, and they opted to equip base model stripped down fleet vehicles versus building consumer cars where they make more profit. The reason is, they know who pays the bills at the end of the day and less hassle to deal with as well.

Agreed but you can't tell me that Nvidia does not have the ability to fill "special orders". You cannot compare GPUs to the automotive supply chain though because Crypto covers everybody (and I mean everybody). I am sure that if someone ordered and received 50 to 70 3000 series GPUs (Just based on what I have seen) that they are not getting them from the retailer. If Nvidia sells cards directly on it's site (and it does) it gives them a ton of flexibility in terms of orders and from what I have seen of that Company lately I would not put anything past them. I dare you to find a listing for an in stock 3080. Then we can get into the AIBs and please don't tell me you think they are all "Gaming" focused. The last time we had crypto boom Nvidia jacked up the price of the entire stack (it has not come down since). Today I am sure that GPUs are very high profit for AIBs not to speak about Motherboards.

 

[thesmokingman]

If you don't like it, pay the bills for them then?

 

[ThrashZone]

That's not a great argument. Because everything uses power to make it doesn't matter how much of it we use?


I mean, you could totally view benchmarking and gaming as a waste of energy (or time). But they're on entirely different scales.

Not to mention, as more coins are mined, transactions get more expensive and more power is used.

Hi,
You started saying mining was a total waste of energy so the analogy is your own as not being a great argument to use
I just expanded it to all companies which I can say seeing miners would be self employed companies using energy just like any.

I just did nicehash estimate on 10900k at 5.0 and 1080ti at 2050mhz "might as well do cpu and gpu mining if at all" and it would likely pull 3.50 usd a day, not near worth it to me, think they underestimate the power consumption per day only showed 3.50 usd/... by a lot there is 24 hours in a day in the US

Doubt my 9940x at 4.5 or 4.6.. and titan Xp at 2050mhz would pull much if any more so yeah for myself couple hundred a month is no where near enough to mine with nicehash on both rigs.

 

[Vayra86]

And this was part of an earlier concession thread much like this, no?

I seem to recall moving ads got all sorts of hate, they got removed for static ones.

I just wish it wasn't so hate driven from the onset. I mean W1zz heard the members on no ads in forums/threads/posts, no moving ads.... I mean the guy has to have some way to generate revenue, leave him have the front page IMHO.

Some pretty great points made here, I have to say. You make a strong case for the way this was done.

I'm afraid that I missed all that hateful discussion about moving ads. Dunno why people have to be hateful about it, but the internet seems to bring that out aplenty, alas.

I think most of us have fallen prey to that at some point in time, and more than once, too, on the internet. Its a result of information overload I think. Guilty as charged myself...

 

[Night]

Can't seem to block the ad using Adblocker, anyone else did it? I just don't won't to see anything related to mining actually... personally it annoys me, I have nothing against hardware manufacturer ads to be honest.

 

[Vayra86]

Can't seem to block the ad using Adblocker, anyone else did it? I just don't won't to see anything related to mining actually... personally it annoys me, I have nothing against hardware manufacturer ads to be honest.

Ublock Origin.

 

[jboydgolfer]

i forgot there was a home page. if i visit TPU, its the forums page. im not a fan of ad's, but as long as theyre not pop-up or intentionally placed to intervene with browsing to force interaction, im not too bothered. i agree the color is not my favorite.

 

[Night]

Ublock Origin.

Thanks, that did the trick.

 

[Punx223]

Agreed but you can't tell me that Nvidia does not have the ability to fill "special orders". You cannot compare GPUs to the automotive supply chain though because Crypto covers everybody (and I mean everybody). I am sure that if someone ordered and received 50 to 70 3000 series GPUs (Just based on what I have seen) that they are not getting them from the retailer. If Nvidia sells cards directly on it's site (and it does) it gives them a ton of flexibility in terms of orders and from what I have seen of that Company lately I would not put anything past them. I dare you to find a listing for an in stock 3080. Then we can get into the AIBs and please don't tell me you think they are all "Gaming" focused. The last time we had crypto boom Nvidia jacked up the price of the entire stack (it has not come down since). Today I am sure that GPUs are very high profit for AIBs not to speak about Motherboards.

Nvidia has not sold 30 series on their site for awhile... The bots were an issue and therefore they transitioned all of their sales volume through Best Buy.

also as far as your "special order" example... what you have seen from the 30-70 cards people have gotten was well covered when 30 series first launched. Hell, the guy who created and selling access to the bot that was snapping them up has been very boastful about the capabilities his bot has made for some users getting several cards at launch or even slightly before. This is only one of several articles on the topic BTW.

This same bot BTW is used for scalpers of other products such as limited edition sneakers, CE video game bundles, Designer clothing, etc.

Also the comparison is apt to use automotive, here is a recent PBS marketplace article showing how the silicon supply chain strains have put the hurt on the automotive business as well.

Regardless of manufacturing/process node, silicon is silicon at the end of the day, and if its hard to get, then the lowest tier customer is gonna get shafted.

Hence, us as regular consumers are at the bottom of the food chain in regards to allocation of silicon (CPUs and GPUs) when compared to the insane buying power of OEM clients.

So please feel free to enlighten me how I was somehow incorrect in my previous statements/assertions.

 

[HammerON]

I will say that when I looked at the front page, I immediately did not like the color (sneeky hit it on the head with his comment)! I then realized that it was an add that related to GPU mining and was even more confused and upset. But I had to take a step back and realize that change is not easy. A question I have to ask - is mining going to go away? The answer, to me, is no. It is just going to get bigger. I respect those that mine as it is their choice to do so. I am not sure what factors have played more in the recent shortages of GPU's and therefore the higher prices. Is it mining? Is it COVID-19 and supply side issues? Is it because of more sophisticated bots enabling some to buy up supply and then charge outrageous prices? Is it it a combination of those and other factors? I don't know but it is frustrating.
So as I may have been initially annoyed and slightly offended by the add, I also realize that this is a private sight, that mining is not going away and is now part of our community - whether some of us like it or not.

 

[Rahnak]

Hi,
You started saying mining was a total waste of energy so the analogy is your own as not being a great argument to use
I just expanded it to all companies which I can say seeing miners would be self employed companies using energy just like any.

I never said it was a total waste of energy, I said it wasted vast amounts of energy. In hindsight it was poorly worded and I should've said something like highly inefficient instead. My bad.

 

[tabascosauz]

I don't even care about the whole social justice line. It's a straight up ugly-ass ad.

It's even incongruous with their website's theme, which uses a comparatively civilized white background with orange interactive elements and headings. Where there is an orange background, it's light and muted and honestly not so bad to look at.

You use bright orange when you want to immediately draw everyone's attention to something, think visi vests and cones. It's so painfully obvious what Nicehash is trying to do here. Go ahead, tell me with a straight face that the TechPowerUp logo is still the most prominent element on the page, when the entire top of the page is a blinding orange, the ad spot in the sidebar is orange, and the sides of the pages are cascading in orange.

You could argue that the objective of advertising is to be seen - I don't disagree. It's a bit like renting a billboard for your ad. Except, here, you've allowed Nicehash to put a giant billboard on every business' rooftop until both sides of Main Street are plastered with orange as far as the eye can see. Can you still call it a town?

"Well, but I don't see people getting all up in arms about a similar full-page ad from Asus or Gigabyte", you say. Wanna know why? Because as gaudy as some of them are, most of them have the common decency to get their point across without burning your retinas, intentionally. And seeing the design of their own website, I'm going firmly with 'intentionally'.