NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost 2 GB

[Delta6326]

Your the best W1z! This card is like identical size of my 4850 22cm vs that 24cm(with fan or without? on the 650 Ti Boost)

For $340Sli it would be nice to get close to 590 speed

 

[tokyoduong]

What is this card supposed to to do? It is not the same price or performance range as the 7790. It is in the range of the 7850.

If AMD drops price of 7850 to 149 then it's a no brainer for anyone since it comes with a better bundle anyways.
If AMD maintains current price of 7850 then NVIDIA got a winner here.

 

[LDNL]

These Editor's Choice Awards have been thrown around quite often lately (Like all the 7790 reviews for example). I don't know... I just feel they're just a good value. The ECA kinda looses its meaning you know?

 

[fwix]

people stop comparing the hd 7850 with the new gtx 650 ti "v2" , don't get me wrong this is a good nvidia gpu for value but it's not when it come to amd gpu's (hd 7850)
hd 7850 2GB sapphire version cost here in Europe 155 euro + 2games TB/boishok infinite and they are clocked at 860 so to clear this up every hd 7850 that I've had also the most of people in the forums (i build pc gamer) reach easily 1200-1250mhz(1225/1250mv)gpu /1400-1475 memory so they oc like + 45% and they are a really a beast card they match easily an hd 7950 stock at that frequency so an hd 7850 oc ll destroy any gtx 650 ti "v2" and also beat gtx 660 oc in allot of games
so yeah it's good thing for nvidia making good gpus with more less money
also we ll see soon some price drops on the hd 7790 and that's a good things i also hope see more price drops on the hd 7850

 

[HumanSmoke]

I'll ask it another way... Is this a "paper launch"... when can we expect AIB cards on retail shelves?

Seems about as much a paper launch as the HD 7790...
GTX 650 Ti Boost Launch day availability : 3 SKU's at Newegg
4 Days after the HD 7790 launch : 2 SKU's at Newegg

 

[Casecutter]

Will there be any review on the 1gb variant?

Some are say that's a "teaser" that might come mid-summer, at that point it will be pointless. Why didn't release the 1Gb first, then this 2Gb after? Probably because AIB would've had to come up PCB design for that... here they scavenged off an existing board.
The more I read it appears this is just a true "Paper Launch in" an attempt for Nvidia to “say look at me”. :shadedshu

Seems about as much a paper launch as the HD 7790...
GTX 650 Ti Boost Launch day availability : 3 SKU's at Newegg
4 Days after the HD 7790 launch : 2 SKU's at Newegg

Well funny those both have popped up since this morning because i checked earlier this morning and nothing on either! While we we're at least told the 7790 would hit till in the first week of April. Hadn't seen anything as to AIB versions on the Boost just they normal engineering units so far. At least AMD partner are out and tested.

 

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

These Editor's Choice Awards have been thrown around quite often lately (Like all the 7790 reviews for example). I don't know... I just feel they're just a good value. The ECA kinda looses its meaning you know?

What can you do when both manufacturers happen to put out very good stuff same time?

 

[HumanSmoke]

Some are say that's a "teaser" that might come mid-summer, at that point it will be pointless. Why didn't release the 1Gb first, then this 2Gb after? Probably because AIB would've had to come up PCB design for that... here they scavenged off an existing board.
The more I read it appears this is just a true "Paper Launch in" an attempt for Nvidia to “say look at me”. :shadedshu

Well firstly, I'd say that wasn't it AMD who moved up the HD 7790's launch to counter the GTX 650 Ti even though they had little retail stock?...Of course you did, you commented a number of times on the TPU version of the article.
So using your scorecard, that would be AMD: :shadedshu , Casecutter: :shadedshu
Strange that you had (and have) no problem with the HD 7790's lack of availability also, no?...maybe not.
As Tech Report observed

We're told you can expect to find GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost cards in stores starting today, which means Nvidia's counterpunch will actually beat the 7790 to the, uh, punch.

Well noted, since the HD 7790 wasn't in stock on launch day.
As for the 1GB variant- I'd guess that Nvidia and its AIB's see the fast approaching disappearance of the HD 7850 1GB as a better market segment to attack- it's only a guess on my part though...I don't claim the strategic marketing ability of the Nvidia or the AIB's.
The 2GB version may have also have been able to be put into production faster...so if it comes to launching the 2GB first or waiting a month for the 1GB, its probably a no-brainer from both a PR and sales PoV.

If you don't mind waiting until next month, Nvidia says its partners will also sell 1GB versions of the GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost for only $149

Some are say that's [a 1GB version] that might come mid-summer, at that point it will be pointless.

Ooh arrr, they's doomed I tells ya ! DOOMED!!!!

Well funny those both have popped up since this morning because i checked earlier this morning and nothing on either!.

Really? I linked to the same Newegg search two days ago and the same two 7790's were in stock- which is why I noted that the prices were firm at the MSRP...and hardly surprising that the GTX 650 Ti Boost has just shown up...it is launch day after all...although I'd note that EVGA had their SKUs for sale as soon as NDA lifted. The base version sold out quickly on their site.

 

[Ikaruga]

people stop comparing the hd 7850 with the new gtx 650 ti "v2" , don't get me wrong this is a good nvidia gpu for value but it's not when it come to amd gpu's (hd 7850)

I would agree that 7850 might have better price/performance ratio if AMD would drop the price (and they probably will do, they used to at least), but that's not the current situation. This card objectively wins with the current prices.

hd 7850 2GB sapphire version cost here in Europe 155 euro + 2games TB/boishok infinite and they are clocked at 860 so to clear this up every hd 7850 that I've had also the most of people in the forums (i build pc gamer) reach easily 1200-1250mhz(1225/1250mv)gpu /1400-1475 memory so they oc like + 45% and they are a really a beast card they match easily an hd 7950 stock at that frequency so an hd 7850 oc ll destroy any gtx 650 ti "v2" and also beat gtx 660 oc in allot of games

Are you really comparing a reference card on stock voltage to a custom built card? Don't get me wrong I won't say that this card is a better overclocker (well it's almost certainly not but we just don't know that for 100% sure), but your comparision just doesn't make much sense. To stay on TPU, the tested 7850 cards here were about 1150-1200Mhz, and only the PowerColor was able to go above 1200 on stock voltage, but the bottom line is that they were not faster with the OC than this new 650ti (or perhaps they were but only by a very small margin - edit:1, 2). So you gonna need to push the 7850 to the max (and possibly increase power consumption a lot) to catch this card, and we don't even know how things will change with the custom built versions later.


Imho, we need to wait a little more to draw the final conclusion, but I think it's safe to say that Nvidia did pretty well when they released this second version of the 650ti.

 

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

No matter what NVIDIA does it is never going to be good enough. Not good value compared to amd gpus... really? Pfff.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_650_Ti_Boost/images/perfdollar_1920.gif

 

[eidairaman1]

NV should go back to SE, No Letters, GTS, Ultra

 

[Xzibit]

I would agree that 7850 might have better price/performance ratio if AMD would drop the price (and they probably will do, they used to at least), but that's not the current situation. This card objectively wins with the current prices.


Imho, we need to wait a little more to draw the final conclusion, but I think it's safe to say that Nvidia did pretty well when they released this second version of the 650ti.

By pretty well you mean offering a cut down GTX 660 which has already fallen $40 from initial launch. It would seam they could be offering the GTX 660 at the price point if they wanted.

Just another way to get rid of GK106 chips. Nvidia likes bending over the customers. Atleast offer a new architecture.

650 Ti Boost @ $169.99 ($75 in-game currency)
660 @ $199.99 ($150 in-game currency)
660 OC Gigabyte @ $203.99 ($150 in-game currency) + $20 Rebate = $183.99

7850 2GB @ $179.99 (Bioshock + Tomb Raider) + $20 Rebate = $159.99

 

[Casecutter]

As for the 1GB variant- I'd guess that Nvidia and its AIB's see the fast approaching disappearance of the HD 7850 1GB....If you don't mind waiting until next month

Ok, beginning of May we can revisit that.

Really? I linked to the same Newegg search two days ago

When I clicked that link the other day it came up as a dead search. I just clicked though the "narrow the results" Egg very well could’ve been listed, but not yet had the search menus set-up.

 

[anubis44]

but the 7850 is still by far the miles better, the review forgot to mention that 7850s are clocked way low and on many cards they overclock by up to like 40% compared to 10-15% on this card, so amd has much room to make a 7850 with boost and just keep the 180$ price
7790 on the other hand is a smaller chip than both Pitcairn and gk106 and is therefore cheaper so has much more room for price cuts, with overclocked versions nearing the 650ti boost

I can attest to the truth of this. I briefly had two Asus DirectCUII 7850s, and they both overclocked to 1150MHz without so much as a voltage change or a hiccup from their default factor speed of 860MHz! At that speed, I'm sure they would destroy the GTX650 Ti Boost, even overclocked. All AMD has to do is release a GHz-edition 1000MHz or 1050MHz bios update for the 7850 with an idiot-proof update exe, and we'll see nVidia crying uncle. Existing 7850 customers would also feel all warm and fuzzy towards AMD if they did this, too.

 

[fwix]

re you really comparing a reference card on stock voltage to a custom built card? Don't get me wrong I won't say that this card is a better overclocker (well it's almost certainly not but we just don't know that for 100% sure), but your comparision just doesn't make much sense. To stay on TPU, the tested 7850 cards here were about 1150-1200Mhz, and only the PowerColor was able to go above 1200 on stock voltage, but the bottom line is that they were not faster with the OC than this new 650ti (or perhaps they were but only by a very small margin - edit:1, 2). So you gonna need to push the 7850 to the max (and possibly increase power consumption a lot) to catch this card, and we don't even know how things will change with the custom built versions later.

sapphire is AIB AMD so it's like baying a reference amd card with the same price but with a good cooler not like nvidia they just don't wanna change anything with there AIB when it's come to a costume cooler for the same price it's a big difference also most of people don't buy the reference amd design it's always sapphire and above so yeah comparing reference card on stock voltage to a custom built card on amd gpu's it's not a big deal cause u ll get a custom built card (sapphire) for the same price

also i tested allot of them : sapphire (flex and the standard with 2 fan ) + HIS + XFX + GIG so all of this gpu's reach 1200(1225-1250mv)/1400 with no single problem perhaps the xfx is the best one that I had ( reach 1300 but at higher voltage 1300 ) and like i said an oc hd 7850 are a beast beat any gtx 660 oc in allot of games , power consumption it's nothing perhaps at max oc the card consume "avrg 120w-130w" so not a bad thing for gamers also temp in every single hd 7850 max oc never pass 66° (i always create a oc profile with fan at 50 60% depend on the vers )
so yeah compare something with the same range hd 7850 oc are comparable with gtx 660 oc not a 650 ti v2 oc plus keep in mind the driver used for that hd 7850 are an old 13.1 WHQL + there is allot of latest games where amd shine more and more so yeah as a conclusion an oc hd 7850 is the best value in the mid-range market /the oc hd 7950 (beat any oc gtx 680 ) in the high end market

 

[OneCool]

No matter what NVIDIA does it is never going to be good enough. Not good value compared to amd gpus... really? Pfff.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_650_Ti_Boost/images/perfdollar_1920.gif

That wont last long but good point.


With that said I just bought a Sapphire hd7850 1gb from newegg for 169.99 free shipping and two game through steam (Tomb Raider and Bioshock) and a $10 mail rebate.

I reach 1200gpu 1350mem without even trying that beats every 7870ghz out there.

 

[v12dock]

Just used the EVGA Step Up program to upgrade my 650Ti I just bought.

 

[Ikaruga]

sapphire is AIB AMD so it's like baying a reference amd card with the same price but with a good cooler not like nvidia they just don't wanna change anything with there AIB when it's come to a costume cooler for the same price it's a big difference also most of people don't buy the reference amd design it's always sapphire and above so yeah comparing reference card on stock voltage to a custom built card on amd gpu's it's not a big deal cause u ll get a custom built card (sapphire) for the same price

I meant that you are comparing a brand new reference product with just added driver support to a well accomplished "old" card which has a custom PCB, and probably a better overclocker out of the box. And again I did not say that the 7850 can't be better when it OC-ed, I'm just saying that we need some serious testing with the new card to be sure.

an oc hd 7850 are a beast beat any gtx 660 oc in allot of games

Wow! Could you please link some reference where the 660 was well OC-ed as well (where it was above 1200/1600 at least), because my experience disagrees.


edit:

Just another way to get rid of GK106 chips. Nvidia likes bending over the customers. Atleast offer a new architecture.

Are you suggesting that they should not sell the GK106 chips they have in stock, or they were wrong when they made one of their cards a little better in the process? I really sorry that I have to break it to you, but Nvidia is not a charity organization.

 

[Xzibit]

edit:Are you suggesting that they should not sell the GK106 chips they have in stock, or they were wrong when they made one of their cards a little better in the process? I really sorry that I have to break it to you, but Nvidia is not a charity organization.

They didnt make it better they made it worse. At a $14 price differance then what the market is currently asking for.

660 2GB Gigabyte Base:1033MHz / Boost:1098MHz ($150 in-game currency) + $20 Rebate = $183.99

650 Ti Boost($75 In-game currency) $169.99

Now is the $14 dollar price difference justified when you loose $75 in in-game currency and a minimal of 10% to a reference 660 in performance.

Answer is simple: NO.

 

[fwix]

Wow! Could you please link some reference where the 660 was well OC-ed as well (where it was above 1200/1600 at least), because my experience disagrees.

if i had time i ll do it for u but i don't so i ll give u an idea about that

this is a link about the oc of the gtx 660
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/876-22/performances-directcu-ii-top-overclocking.html
( the amd driver in this review is old 12.8 so don't compare them with nvidia card , focus only on the gtx 660 normal then when oc )
conclusion is :
1: normal gtx 660 can up to 105X mhz average without oc compare that to an hd 7850 at 860 mhz
Alan Wake : 1045-1058 MHz
Anno 2070 : 1006 MHz
Batman Arkham City : 993-1032 MHz
Battlefield 3 : 1045-1058 MHz
Civilization V : 1019 MHz
Crysis 2 : 1006-1071 MHz
DiRT Showdown : 1058-1084 MHz
Max Payne 3 : 1033-1071 MHz
Sleeping Dogs : 1032-1045 MHz
The Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition : 1058-1084 MHz
Total War Shogun 2 : 1019-1045 MHz
2: when 660 are max oc 1123/1227/1627 performance gained in those 3 games are like 14-15% .

now let's see the latest review of the hd 7790(include hd 7850) with the latest driver both nvidia and amd (keep in mind latest driver 13.3 have a bad impact in performance on tomb raider i have like -10% with my hd 7950WF3 plus if u enable tress fx it turn bad on nvidia and also an amazing thing in TB)
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/890-24/recapitulatif-performances.html
so as u see here the gtx 660 are like 10-12% more powerful than an hd 7850 now think about the oc of the hd 7850 going from 860 to 1200/1220/1250 (sorry i can't found an oc hd 7850 chart in this this web site but i can tell u in allot of games going form 860/1200 to 1250/1450 u have something like +30% also reach easily the performance of an hd 7950 "stock800 mhz") i guess u get the point of the hd 7850 when oc , they are really a beast card , beat the gtx 660 in allot of games but not every games like barman AC3 .

 

[dlgh7]

interesting all the other reviews i have seen of this card on other sites seem to favor the 7850 in the benchmarks against this card. anandtech had this card beating the 7850 by 3 percent if BF3 but everything else favored the 7850, i think they said by 8 percent on average. don't quote me on that. cursious how this site has the 650 ti boost being better.

 

[HumanSmoke]

interesting all the other reviews i have seen of this card on other sites seem to favor the 7850 in the benchmarks against this card. anandtech had this card beating the 7850 by 3 percent if BF3 but everything else favored the 7850, i think they said by 8 percent on average. don't quote me on that. cursious how this site has the 650 ti boost being better.

Probably the same reason that other sites have the 650 Ti Boost shading the 7850. Choice of benchmark, screen resolution, choice of image quality.
ComputerBase for instance has the 7850 ahead by 6% with minimal AA, but the 650 TiB ahead by 4% and 6% at 4xAA and 8xAA respectively

 

[W1zzard]

interesting all the other reviews i have seen of this card on other sites seem to favor the 7850 in the benchmarks against this card. anandtech had this card beating the 7850 by 3 percent if BF3 but everything else favored the 7850, i think they said by 8 percent on average. don't quote me on that. cursious how this site has the 650 ti boost being better.

no surprise with anandtech's selection of benchmarks

 

[arbiter]

what i see is a good cheap best bang for $ gpu for budget gaming machine, or if person has 670/680 or even AMD card, the 1gb version of 650ti boost would make a nice dedicated physX card

 

[Ikaruga]

They didnt make it better they made it worse. At a $14 price differance then what the market is currently asking for.

660 2GB Gigabyte Base:1033MHz / Boost:1098MHz ($150 in-game currency) + $20 Rebate = $183.99

650 Ti Boost($75 In-game currency) $169.99

Now is the $14 dollar price difference justified when you loose $75 in in-game currency and a minimal of 10% to a reference 660 in performance.

Answer is simple: NO.

Yes, but you don't really need 2GB VRAM in this segment, so 95% of the gamers will do just fine with the much reasonably priced 1GB version, and perhaps if you would compare the two with that price in mind..... BTW, why on earth they not use 1.5GB with a 192bit wide bus is just beyond me, and if anyone knows the answer please enlighten me.
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if i had time i ll do it for u but i don't so i ll give u an idea about that

this is a link about the oc of the gtx 660
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/876-22/performances-directcu-ii-top-overclocking.html
( the amd driver in this review is old 12.8 so don't compare them with nvidia card , focus only on the gtx 660 normal then when oc )
conclusion is :
1: normal gtx 660 can up to 105X mhz average without oc compare that to an hd 7850 at 860 mhz
Alan Wake : 1045-1058 MHz
Anno 2070 : 1006 MHz
Batman Arkham City : 993-1032 MHz
Battlefield 3 : 1045-1058 MHz
Civilization V : 1019 MHz
Crysis 2 : 1006-1071 MHz
DiRT Showdown : 1058-1084 MHz
Max Payne 3 : 1033-1071 MHz
Sleeping Dogs : 1032-1045 MHz
The Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition : 1058-1084 MHz
Total War Shogun 2 : 1019-1045 MHz
2: when 660 are max oc 1123/1227/1627 performance gained in those 3 games are like 14-15% .

Thanks. I see that they used the 306.23 beta, but i can't really remember about what I had when I was testing these two, but the 660 won in almost everything for me ( I used a little higher OC tho), never the less, it's a valuable info and I will rerun some tests if I can borrow these cards again some time. Thanks again.