NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Founders Edition 6 GB

[bajs11]

You are quibbling about a couple %? RTX2060 is 1-2% slower than GTX1080.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2060_Founders_Edition/33.html

Not su much Nvidia but games themselves are icreasingly optimized for newer features as time passes.

doesn't matter if it's x% faster or slower than the GTX 1080
but the xx60 series have been a sub 300 usd mid-range consumer card for average gamers

praising it being:

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2060 doesn't seem cheap at $349, but this new card has enough steam to beat AMD's RX Vega lineup at better pricing and with much better power/heat/noise. Actually, the RTX 2060 obsoletes much of NVIDIA's GeForce 10 Pascal stack, too.

is almost as irresponsible as Toms "just buy it" article
I am sure any rational person would expect no less from a successor to a card that was released two and a half years ago but the 40% increase in msrp is a huge deal or more like a deal breaker for the gamers who don't usually spend more than 250-300 bucks on a GPU

 

[londiste]

Are you buying price and/or performance or the name on the card?

Prices have definitely been going up but up until yesterday RTX2060 was competing with the best that competition had to offer. And this is the 4th fastest card in RTX series. These are the only things faster then it plus a couple Nvidia cards from previous generation.

With all that, RTX2060 is still at the same performance level and 70% cheaper than GTX1080 was at launch less than two years ago.

 

[M2B]

I don't think that has anything to do with it. Simply, Nvidia is prioritising game optimisations for their latest gen of cards like they have always done. Same thing happened between Maxwell and Pascal (I recall the gap between the 1070 and 980 Ti was minimal with older games but got larger as newer games were released and were more optimised for Pascal).

By newer games I didn't necessarily mean latest games, I meant post 2015~ titles which favour the RTX series more compared with some older titles such as Crysis 3 and GTA V (GTA V is technically a 2013 game)

 

[bug]

is almost as irresponsible as Toms "just buy it" article
I am sure any rational person would expect no less from a successor to a card that was released two and a half years ago but the 40% increase in msrp is a huge deal or more like a deal breaker for the gamers who don't usually spend more than 250-300 bucks on a GPU

I'm in that category and I'm seriously thinking about getting one of these. Because till now there was no $350 card that could max out games at 1440p and play at 4k with some tweaking.

 

[Eric3988]

Knock off $100 and get rid of the RTX and I would be interested in this card to replace my 970 in my secondary rig.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

those who are still comparing the RTX2060 against "affordable", older GPUs don't get the message that those older gen cards are selling at a discount before the 2060 was unveiled. Now, those Pascal cards are selling north of $400+ for the "cheapest" aftermarket GTX1070Ti & that card still didn't have ANY of the premium features like Tensor Cores & RT cores baked into the silicon. $350 for the 2060FE is pretty competitive considering that the entire Pascal lineup & AMD's entire GPU lineup does not have those features in them.

 

[heky]

premium features like Tensor Cores & RT cores

For f-sake...these are just compute cores with a fancy name...

 

[W1zzard]

For f-sake...these are just compute cores with a fancy name...

Nvidia says that you can use all three independently, at the same time, without one affecting the other's performance. The die shots support that these are independent units?

 

[heky]

Nvidia says that you can use all three independently, at the same time, without one affecting the other's performance. The die shots support that these are independent units?

Sure, but they are still compute units, programmable to do certain tasks better than the other cores. Dont get me wrong, i am not biased to one company (i use a 1080 ti atm), but the whole Tensor Cores & RT cores is just a fancy name for Nvidia to use and milk us more. I still think the whole RTX series is over-hyped and way overpriced.

 

[londiste]

Nvidia says that you can use all three independently, at the same time, without one affecting the other's performance. The die shots support that these are independent units?

That sounds bullshit. Die shots seem to support tensor cores are (at least somewhat) separate but RT cores seem to be attached to the SM. Beyond that, at least RT cores apparently use the same caches, which would make them definitely affect SM core performance.

 

[bug]

Sure, but they are still compute units, programmable to do certain tasks better than the other cores. Dont get me wrong, i am not biased to one company (i use a 1080 ti atm), but the whole Tensor Cores & RT cores is just a fancy name for Nvidia to use and milk us more. I still think the whole RTX series is over-hyped and way overpriced.

Yes, because you can totally do everything a tensor core does on GCN with the proper software support, right?
I mean, sure, they're a new class of hardware never before seen. But they are a specialization of compute units no one else has. Yet.

 

[Artas1984]

I was wondering how on earth this GTX 2060 is so much faster than GTX 1070 having the same cuda cores and clock speed - due to GDDR6 it has a memory bandwidth larger than GTX 1080! While not a 4K card, it performs at 4K very well with it's 6 GB VRAM.

However, as we know, the first reference impressions might be misleading a bit. The real truth will come once this GTX 2060 at it's max overclock will be compared to other overclocked cards, not against reference versions of older cards, which is only half the true.

 

[bug]

I was wondering how on earth this GTX 2060 is so much faster than GTX 1070 having the same cuda cores and clock speed - due to GDDR6 it has a memory bandwidth larger than GTX 1080! While not a 4K card, it performs at 4K very well with it's 6 GB VRAM.

However, as we know, the first reference impressions might be misleading a bit. The real truth will come once this GTX 2060 at it's max overclock will be compared to other overclocked cards, not against reference versions of older cards, which is only half the true.

Currently this is anywhere from 33-50% faster than my GTX 1060 6GB. Even if you dial that back 10%, it's still an above average generational leap.
The real unknown (to me) is the street price. $350 is right on the fence. Anything above prices this right into traditional high-end territory which doesn't jive well with those 6GB VRAM. Anything less makes this an amazing value/$$$.

 

[Xenom]

I feel it's wrong to call this a "Review" not saying techpowerup is the only one doing it, but to be fair to readers/consumers it really should be titled 'Preview' not "Review".

We all know chip and board manufacturers have sent out "golden samples" and even cards with different bioses to "Reviewers" compared to what later has been released to the public and general consumers.

Sure we can call it a "Review" of the pre-release, or media-release, and the ultimate responsibility lay with the consumer/reader. Not all consumers are super aware of all details of "our" world. We the "enthusiasts" or "geeks" know about these things, the trickery and the deceptions by manufacturers. Need I say 3.5GB ? We, the geeks, know to take any "Review" of a product, especially one that hasn't been released yet, with a HUGE grain of salt!
But many "general consumers" will fall victims to hype, and spend many times hard earned cash on a product that will simply melt in price and value as trickery some times uncrumble right before their eyes.

I think we should stick to 'Preview' rather than "Review" in case of these products.

Peace!

 

[scotty99]

Has anyone else purchased the 2060 founders?

I am getting temps higher than i expected, and was curious if you guys think i should exchange it.

My room ambient is 20.5c and i have two 140mm intake fans running at 1250 rpm, and two 120mm exhaust fans at 1000. Case is a nzxt s340 elite. After an hour of gaming at 1440p/165hz (gsync) i see temps creeping close to 80c, and the fans on the 2060 hit about 2100 rpm. Its still staying under the 80c point and clockspeeds arent throttling, but there is no room for overclocking whatsoever. I love everything else about the founders but the temps have me bummed, every review i saw on it had temps ranging from 68c-73c, apparently in real world environment that changes quite a bit.

 

[bajs11]

Sure, but they are still compute units, programmable to do certain tasks better than the other cores. Dont get me wrong, i am not biased to one company (i use a 1080 ti atm), but the whole Tensor Cores & RT cores is just a fancy name for Nvidia to use and milk us more. I still think the whole RTX series is over-hyped and way overpriced.

considering how big and popular Mac has become I would dare to claim that most consumers don't think logically and rationally
all a manufacturer has to do is over-hype a product then they would be able to overcharge it by quite a bit and people would still buy it

It will soon be a half year since the release of the RTX cards how many RT games have been released so far?
People are also forgetting that Pascal cards have been around since May 2016
any rational human being would find it strange or even outrageous that gpus released two and half years later don't have the same performance gains as the previous generation had over the Maxwell cards and yet cost so much more

 

[londiste]

My room ambient is 20.5c and i have two 140mm intake fans running at 1250 rpm, and two 120mm exhaust fans at 1000. Case is a nzxt s340 elite.

Try taking the front panel off just for a test. S340 is not a very good case when it comes to airflow.

 

[bug]

considering how big and popular Mac has become I would dare to claim that most consumers don't think logically and rationally
all a manufacturer has to do is over-hype a product then they would be able to overcharge it by quite a bit and people would still buy it

It will soon be a half year since the release of the RTX cards how many RT games have been released so far?
People are also forgetting that Pascal cards have been around since May 2016
any rational human being would find it strange or even outrageous that gpus released two and half years later don't have the same performance gains as the previous generation had over the Maxwell cards and yet cost so much more

For such liberal use of "rational", you manage to come out pretty irrational at the end.
Maxwell was a refinement or a refinemnent on 28nm (because TSMC failed at their 20/22nm node). Pascal that followed benefited from a 2 node jump at once. How rational is to expect the jump that came with that to be the norm?
And the price, don't worry about that. Overpriced stuff won't sell. it will collect dust on the shelves till the manufacturer will be forced to lower prices.

 

[bajs11]

For such liberal use of "rational", you manage to come out pretty irrational at the end.
Maxwell was a refinement or a refinemnent on 28nm (because TSMC failed at their 20/22nm node). Pascal that followed benefited from a 2 node jump at once. How rational is to expect the jump that came with that to be the norm?
And the price, don't worry about that. Overpriced stuff won't sell. it will collect dust on the shelves till the manufacturer will be forced to lower prices.

tell that to Apple and their fanboys
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook

• 1.3GHz dual-core 7th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
• Turbo Boost up to 3.2GHz
• 8GB 1866MHz LPDDR3 memory
• 512GB SSD storage1
• Intel HD Graphics 615
• Keyboard with second-generation butterfly mechanism

$1,599.00

 

[bug]

tell that to Apple and their fanboys
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook

• 1.3GHz dual-core 7th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
• Turbo Boost up to 3.2GHz
• 8GB 1866MHz LPDDR3 memory
• 512GB SSD storage1
• Intel HD Graphics 615
• Keyboard with second-generation butterfly mechanism

$1,599.00

My point stands. Overpriced isn't when you and I are unwilling to pay that price. Overpriced is when almost everybody else isn't willing to pay.
That macbook is priced in line with what the target audience is willing to pay.

 

[bajs11]

uh well then my claim that most consumers are irrational is kind of true

 

[bug]

uh well then my claim that most consumers are irrational is kind of true

Only if irrational == have a different opinion than you do.

 

[bajs11]

hmm now you are getting into psychology, anthropology and even political science
but yes whats normal vary depending on who you ask and when
for example when my parents bought my first computer it cost roughly 3000 usd which by todays standard is way too much possibly even for an average Mac
but back in the 90s it was quite normal. So if the vast majority of Mac users believe that spending ~1500-2000 usd on a laptop is normal and well worth the price set by the manufacturer then the opinion by non-Mac users who consider it is totally inferior and overpriced isn't relevant.
So basically it has to do with on how much the manufacturers dare to charge which the targeted consumers are willing to accept and pay. If the consumers are willing to cough up then that said product is not overpriced and the consumers are not irrational beings. Which is also why neither the 1300 USD RTX 2080Ti nor the 350 USD RTX 2060 are overpriced because, at least we assume, people are buying them like hotcakes.

 

[Trom]

Anyone got any idea if all these cards, the founders use Samsung memory or could I get stuck with Micron memory buying one new, unopened but still second hand.