NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition

[Ruru]

I think I bought my 1070 ~7 years ago for the same price, with the same amount of memory

I guess I won't be (at least much) wrong to guess that the 16GB models start at 550EUR here when it's released.

 

[ValenOne]

The perf increase is definitely tempting

https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-founders-edition/images/performance-per-dollar-1920-1080.png

But same price/perf as the $400 4060 ti (well I used 510 instead of 515, but same thing)

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=495,496&page=1

RX 6800 16 GB reached $484.99 and RX 6800 XT 16GB reached $499. For RX 7700 XT, 7800, and 7800 XT, AMD has to compete against itself.

RX 7900 XT has reached $700 which limits RX 7800 XT's asking price.

 

[rv8000]

You realize these issues exist with...native rendering as well, right? RIGHT?

What are you taking about? None of those 3 examples stated are caused/happen in native rendering.

Ghosting is a byproduct of your monitor. Every single upscaling/frame gen tech introduces ghosting otherwise not present in native rendering.

Frame stretching/polygon errors exist or existed in games such as F1 and CP2077 when explicitly using DLSS3 frame gen; resulting in inaccurate garbled textures and polygons in cars and other objects.

UI flickering, very different from shimmering on textures such as fences etc…, doesn’t happen in native rendering. F1, CP2077 and other games were reported to have this issue in early versions of DLSS3 (I’m unaware if all have been fixed, I know it’s been corrected in CP2077). This caused flickering, warped text, screwed up reticles, inventory errors and were overlaps obscuring random parts of game UI.

So no… the tech is interesting, but having to correct multiple issues on a per game basis does not warrant the praise some people give it. It needs a lot more work to be a viable solution, as it exists it’s simply a stop gap for limitations in raw rendering hp generational leaps.

 

[jsven008]

Let's be honest, it's obvious Nvidia is doing three things:
1) Trying to upsell you a more expensive RTX video card. This is very evident by the stagnant, insufficient 8GB of RAM, even for 1080P, in the $400 RTX 4060 TI. To get a sufficient amount of memory for 1080P, for both today's games and tomorrow's new games, you'll need to spend more. Started looking at the RTX 4070? Nvidia is looking to upsell.

2) Maximizing profits on the RTX 4060 TI. This is evident by the reduced and cut-down features of the 4060 TI compared to the 3060 TI. A narrower memory bus: 128-bit instead of 256-bit. Less CUDA cores: 4352 vs. 4864. Far fewer ROPs: 48 vs. 80. Fewer texture units: 136 vs. 152. And the list goes on. The 4060 TI die size is roughly half the 3060 TI, yet the pricing remains the same. Nvidia is looking to maximize profit.

3) Force you to upgrade sooner. Nvidia realized they made a mistake with the GTX 1080. After all, the GTX 1080 launched in 2016 with 8GB of RAM and it still offers acceptable performance today. And some gamers are still using it because of that. That's a problem. The RTX 3080 launched with only 10GB of RAM for this very reason; to force you to upgrade sooner. And 1-2 years after most gamers purchased pricey RTX 3080s they are reaching their RAM limits. Time to start looking. Nvidia wants you to upgrade sooner.

Purchased an RTX 3080 a couple years ago only to be nearing the RAM limit now? What's another grand? Pocket-change for everyone surely; so thinks the Nvidia CEO who made 23 million in 2022.

 

[sepheronx]

Well, its a 3060 Ti that is slightly faster (like 5 - 10% average) with lower power consumption. With that said, if it was priced at around $300 USD then I could see this as being a solid GPU for 1080 and 1440p.

But it aint and its $100 too expensive. Here in Cuckistan, it will be at least $600+ for it. Making a PS5 or Xbox Series X a far better buy.

 

[N3M3515]

Not close to what ? I basically said 20% reduction in price would of been more logical to the consumer while not looking weak to investors.

That's not really a "not even close bud" statement ? (Literally nobody disagrees that these cards are overpriced)

8GB $330
16GB $370

 

[Viilutaja]

How much money NVIDIA threw at Techpowerup, for giving this piece of shit 400$ card a "Highly recommended" award!?

Also in all TPU reviews, AMD gpus seem to have much worse performance vs Nvidia, compared to 90% of other review channels!

 

[Bwaze]

It all shows that Nvidia isn't considering gaming as a market worth catering to.

They have found better ways to make money. Cryptomining on home GPUs is down right now, but it will be up again, no doubt with some help from Nvidia too.

And the buzzword now is of course AI.

NVIDIA AI GPU Demand Blows Up, Chip Prices Increase By 40% & Stock Shortages Expected Till December

But it's still sad to see it. And see "tech journalists" lowered down to this level of insincerity. An award for a card that has a worse price / performance than it's predecessor from 2.5 years ago? Really?

 

[Stunrise]

Highly recommendet

How much money paid Nvidia to leave a review like this? So far i ranked tpu very high in terms of trustworthy, but the RTX 4060 Ti for 400$ is one of the worst graphics launches of all time and i am buying graphics cards since Radeon 9700.

 

[Tek-Check]

Samsung GDDR6W has 64-bit I/O data pins which is a major evolution over GDDR6 / GDDR6X's 32-bit I/O data pins.

I am ok with this. Whatever works best.

 

[Bwaze]

Jensen himself said that the era of more performance for same price generation after generation is over. It worked since mid-90', but apparently that was a 30 year mistake!

So the current plan (in mid-high end - the one that can play maxed out games at 1080p after two years) is:


2020, RTX 3080 - $700
2022, RTX 4080 - $1200
2024, RTX 5080 - $2040
2026, RTX 6080 - $3468
2028, RTX 7080 - $5896
2030, RTX 8080 - $10022
2032, RTX 9080 - $17038
2034, RTX 1080 - $28965

 

[Outback Bronze]

2020, RTX 3080 - $700
2022, RTX 4080 - $1200
2024, RTX 5080 - $2040
2026, RTX 6080 - $3468
2028, RTX 7080 - $5896
2030, RTX 8080 - $10022
2032, RTX 9080 - $17038
2034, RTX 1080 - $28965

Fark. Better start saving my pennies.

 

[ValenOne]

Jensen himself said that the era of more performance for same price generation after generation is over. It worked since mid-90', but apparently that was a 30 year mistake!

So the current plan (in mid-high end - the one that can play maxed out games at 1080p after two years) is:


2020, RTX 3080 - $700
2022, RTX 4080 - $1200
2024, RTX 5080 - $2040
2026, RTX 6080 - $3468
2028, RTX 7080 - $5896
2030, RTX 8080 - $10022
2032, RTX 9080 - $17038
2034, RTX 1080 - $28965

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=542,539,548

RTX 4080 16GB reached $1099.99
RX 7900 XTX 24GB reached $949.99

 

[JustBenching]

What are you taking about? None of those 3 examples stated are caused/happen in native rendering.

Ghosting is a byproduct of your monitor. Every single upscaling/frame gen tech introduces ghosting otherwise not present in native rendering.

Frame stretching/polygon errors exist or existed in games such as F1 and CP2077 when explicitly using DLSS3 frame gen; resulting in inaccurate garbled textures and polygons in cars and other objects.

UI flickering, very different from shimmering on textures such as fences etc…, doesn’t happen in native rendering. F1, CP2077 and other games were reported to have this issue in early versions of DLSS3 (I’m unaware if all have been fixed, I know it’s been corrected in CP2077). This caused flickering, warped text, screwed up reticles, inventory errors and were overlaps obscuring random parts of game UI.

So no… the tech is interesting, but having to correct multiple issues on a per game basis does not warrant the praise some people give it. It needs a lot more work to be a viable solution, as it exists it’s simply a stop gap for limitations in raw rendering hp generational leaps.

Ηere you go lad

 

[Bwaze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=542,539

RTX 4080 reached $1099.99

RTX 4080 was launched in November 2022. Since then Nvidia had a nearly disastrous revenue report for last quarter of 2022, especially in Gaming:

"Fourth-quarter revenue was $1.83 billion, down 46% from a year ago..."

When was the last time that happened after a launch of a new generation? Since then we have heard numerous times that prices of cards are falling, and as posted above we see some models in some markets offered a bit cheaper (RTX 4080 for $1100 does mean 8% below MSRP - still very far from RTX 3080 $700). But most of the world doesn't see that.

Nvidia first stated it has lowered orders from TSMC due to low market demand.
And all forecasts now are that AI demand means there isn't enough GPUs produced and that prices will go up, and not by a small amount.

A Q1 "fiscal 2024" revenue report (Nvidia and their confusing labeling) will come out in a couple of days. I'm quite sure it will be full of optimism on how AI is saving their bussiness, not gaming!

 

[Space Lynx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=495,496&page=1

RX 6800 16 GB reached $484.99 and RX 6800 XT 16GB reached $499. For RX 7700 XT, 7800, and 7800 XT, AMD has to compete against itself.

RX 7900 XT has reached $700 which limits RX 7800 XT's asking price.

where have you seen a 7900 xt at $700? if I saw that right now I'd probably buy it. Cheapest I seen is $770 and it was a iffy MSI model with mediocre reviews, the Sapphire Pulse 7900 XT is still $779 cheapest. I think that sale is over and its back to $799 though.

 

[RDNAuser]

Black jackets mum walking in on his meeting with the engineers.

 

[tvshacker]

I guess I won't be (at least much) wrong to guess that the 16GB models start at 550EUR here when it's released.

In Spain's official Nvidia website the 4060Ti 8GB has an announced MSRP of 449€ and the 16GB version 559€.
I'm considering "cutting my losses" and going for a 3060 12GB if I manage to find some around 300€ (by my math will offer similar price/performance of the 4060Ti at 450€), I mostly play games from my backlog which are 4/5 years old, and the 1060 is starting to show it's age, and no interesting launches expected in the next 2 years.

 

[Ruru]

In Spain's official Nvidia website the 4060Ti 8GB has an announced MSRP of 449€ and the 16GB version 559€.
I'm considering "cutting my losses" and going for a 3060 12GB if I manage to find some around 300€ (by my math will offer similar price/performance of the 4060Ti at 450€), I mostly play games from my backlog which are 4/5 years old, and the 1060 is starting to show it's age, and no interesting launches expected in the next 2 years.

10EUR lower prices for both models than here.

Sorry that it's in Finnish but I guess that the pricing is clear.

 

[Bomby569]

10EUR lower prices for both models than here.

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Sorry that it's in Finnish but I guess that the pricing is clear.

such a bargain at almost 600€

 

[A Computer Guy]

In Spain's official Nvidia website the 4060Ti 8GB has an announced MSRP of 449€ and the 16GB version 559€.
I'm considering "cutting my losses" and going for a 3060 12GB if I manage to find some around 300€ (by my math will offer similar price/performance of the 4060Ti at 450€), I mostly play games from my backlog which are 4/5 years old, and the 1060 is starting to show it's age, and no interesting launches expected in the next 2 years.

I could have sworn I saw something a few months ago about Nvidia 3060 series not selling well. Is is possible they are simply putting 4060Ti out there to corral users into clearing out 3060 stock considering nothing else is coming out of the xx60's pipeline until the 50xx series?

 

[Bomby569]

good video comparison

 

[ValenOne]

where have you seen a 7900 xt at $700? if I saw that right now I'd probably buy it. Cheapest I seen is $770 and it was a iffy MSI model with mediocre reviews, the Sapphire Pulse 7900 XT is still $779 cheapest. I think that sale is over and its back to $799 though.

RX 7900 XT at $700 is gone.

 

[Space Lynx]

RX 7900 XT at $700 is gone.

yeah but where was it, was it a legit retailer or some third party crap?

 

[ValenOne]

yeah but where was it, was it a legit retailer or some third party crap?