Nvidia's GPU market share hits 90% in Q4 2024 (gets closer to full monopoly)

[AcE]

Weren't monopolist companies deconstructed (I don't know how to say it) back then in US, so they cease to have monopolies and are multiple smaller companies instead? Well won't happen here, but it would help. Now we're stuck with this monopoly and really almost nobody cares. I bet 5090 will cost 2000$ if not more, 5080 again 1200+ - Nvidia doesn't care, there is no competition this time. People will complain and then go and buy it. Sad. Successor of 4070 Ti / 4070 / 4060 Ti will all still be stuck at high pricing, like currently. Even the 4060 is overpriced but people buy all these products.

 

[Krit]

I actually will be very proud if nvidia announces

RTX 5090 - 1999$
RTX 5080 - 1199$
RTX 5070Ti - 899$
RTX 5070 - 699$
RTX 5060Ti - 529$
RTX 5060 - 379$

As long as AMD and intel is competitive in pricing.

RX 8800 XT - 499$
RX 8700 XT - 419$
RX 8600 XT - 299$
RX 8600 - 239$

That would be great IQ test for those idiots. AKA "reality check"

Personally i owned nvidia for 14.5 years and AMD for 2.5 years since early 2007 and i exactly know what about i'm talking.

 

[Zach_01]

I love people blaming AMD for the pricing increase when we live in a distributor's World. It is obvious that this is true in terms of market share, but is it all really Gamers buying GPUs? I guess all the noise about AMD being so weak at RT and FSR looking so much worse than DLSS had an effect. Enjoy it when GPUs become like ASICs and cost more than the average person is willing to pay. It will be so confusing when a 8GB card is released for $500 US with 8GB of VRAM during COVID but then they raised prices the very next generation after Etherium changed their algorythim as well.. Wait that already happened. Everyone loving the 580 from Intel while all TPU benchmarks show that the 7700XT is a much faster 12GB card. Too bad it is from AMD so the arguments have people buying GPUs for more money than they should and people calling people idiots for choosing AMD. I wish all of this was true and indeed I could have bought my 7900XT for $200 US. Of course the typical AMD bashing has ensued in every single Nvidia focused thread. I was wondering what NV Clean Install is and why people use it?

What no one seems to remember is that Nvidia are being investigated by the Govt for it's GPU sales, among other things. We will go on though giving them a pass even though. I expect this post to be deleted but I am used to TPU bias.

So Congrats on achieving Market Share, now tell all of those AMD and Intel users to stop lying about the performance as Nvidia is the undisputed king. Until you go to a brick and mortar and see the 3050 for$500 US and then ask the clerk "Why are there no AMD GPUs" to a response of the 7600XT is cheaper than the 3050 so that is what people bought for 10GB more VRAM. The fact that a retailer can charge that for a 3050 and less for a 7600XT show how deeply entrenched the mindshare is but it is all Spy vs Spy from Mad Magazine.

I have 2 examples on my local market of what a strong mindshare can do on users and stores.

Currency: Euro

1. Before I bought the 7900XTX I was thinking maybe go with a 4080. Around the same raster + superior RT performance and DLSS... why not? right? a couple of 100$ more... why not when you already gone 1000+
That was this time of year (Dec2023)
I liked the Nitro+ 7900XTX for the build quality, performance and thermals. So I checked the 4080ies...
The discouragement from pricing was so big that the thought of a 4080 shatter in seconds.
The equivalents of the Nitro+ 7900XTX on build quality and rest was +40% in price.
1100 vs 1500+
+40%? for better RT and DLSS? No thank you
I like RT a lot, not lying but medium RT settings and FSR2 quality are doing the job just fine. Not worth +40% for more of it.

Stores and online stores know that there are users willing to pay that much. Prices where like this for months and even climbing slowly when Radeons very slowly decrease. Meaning, people were buying them even at 1500++. Only recently are down to 1300+ (the 4080supers)
Right after I bought the 7900XTX it took +50 on that specific (multi-store online) market place and stayed there for a few weeks. Its free market...

2. 7800X3D and 9800X3D lately are priced 600-800 and 800-1000 (bouncing between that range) respectively after arrow lake land flat for gaming.
Because the mindshare says "the faster gaming CPU on the planet" and market sees purchases even on those price levels.
600 for the 7800X3D is +70% on the price that had 5 months ago.

All the above is mostly between buyers and stores.

1000 times would choose to go for a 7950X for 480. I play on UW res anyway, not 1080p.

 

[Bomby569]

Weren't monopolist companies deconstructed (I don't know how to say it) back then in US, so they cease to have monopolies and are multiple smaller companies instead? Well won't happen here, but it would help. Now we're stuck with this monopoly and really almost nobody cares. I bet 5090 will cost 2000$ if not more, 5080 again 1200+ - Nvidia doesn't care, there is no competition this time. People will complain and then go and buy it. Sad. Successor of 4070 Ti / 4070 / 4060 Ti will all still be stuck at high pricing, like currently. Even the 4060 is overpriced but people buy all these products.

it's not a monopoly, the competition is just useless.
People don't want to spent almost the same amount of money to have a black screen/DDU simulator, or be a beta tester for a broken product that we can only wish will work every time you need it.

If people don't buy AMD/Intel is because the price vs quality/performance of those products aren't right.

 

[Krit]

People don't want to spent almost the same amount of money to have a black screen/DDU simulator, or be a beta tester for a broken product that we can only wish will work every time you need it.

Which Radeon RX6000/7000 gpus did you use to say something like this ?

 

[ModEl4]

At least that's a good sign:

Intel Arc B580 “Battlemage” GPU Hits Retail, Starting at $249 But Runs Out of Stock Almost Instantly, Restock In Early January​

 

[Bomby569]

Which Radeon RX6000/7000 gpus did you use to say something like this ?

Google Search

 

[Krit]

What do you mean Google Search ?

 

[AusWolf]

First, there is no monopoly in GPUs in sight. What people here might refer to is "monopoly in dGPUs", which I doubt can be (legally) considered a monopoly for many reasons.
Second, the dGPU market either grows, then more players will join the market (like intel), or it declines, and if it does it's because dGPUs will be replaced by iGPU solutions.

So no monopoly whatsoever, either way.

I agree.

Why so many of you guys believe that the survivability and profitability of a company/branch depends on market share is beyond me.

 

[Bomby569]

What do you mean Google Search ?

i just told what i used and gave you evidence that it's a thing, all with a little link. Not sure what you want more from me? I could even tell about 1st person experiences with other models but you asked specifically for two.
Don't ask questions if for any reason you don't want or like the answers.

 

[evernessince]

If AMDs "Ryzen" were a GPU, AMD would be highly competitive, but it's not, AMDs main business is CPU, and thus Ryzen is like the Geforce of CPUs.

Ryzen's success would not translate to the GPU market. AMD could get a running start in the CPU market because existing software, features, and APIs just work regardless of CPU vendor. There is minimal software lockout and even when software requires a new instruction set both vendors can easily adopt it and fallbacks are always provided.

It's exactly the opposite in the GPU market where an increasing number of features only work on a single vendor and no fallback is provided for older cards / cards from different vendors. In addition, entire APIs like CUDA are gated off as well.

It's the perfect example of just how anti-competitive the market is and just how unhealthy it is for customers at large. You NEED Nvidai in many fields. If they were to up and dissapear overnight, many industries couldn't switch to AMD even if they wanted to and others would have to deal with the fact that because Nvidia doesn't follow healthy market practices there's no fallback for the massive swath of applications that have Nvidia exclusive features. They would just cease to be useful, unlike in the CPU market where any existing or new vendor can come along and use a feature so long as their hardware supports the instruction set. It would take a long time to unwind the software screwery that Nvidia has embeded in the industry.

As such, an AMD Ryzen approach to the GPU market might net them more marketshare than they have now but it would not net them anywhere near the level of success they've seen with Ryzen CPUs. AMD has taken the Ryzen approach to GPUs in the past under a far less restrictive market with less software lockin and better hardware and even then only netted 1/3rd of the market. Nvidia's worst architecture Fermi vastly outsold AMD.

it's not a monopoly, the competition is just useless.
People don't want to spent almost the same amount of money to have a black screen/DDU simulator, or be a beta tester for a broken product that we can only wish will work every time you need it.

If people don't buy AMD/Intel is because the price vs quality/performance of those products aren't right.

I've had more issues with Nvidia GPUs as of late when it comes to black screens. 3060 Ti for a client didn't like his TV and wouldn't show picture. Worked perfectly fine with an AMD card. The 3000 series and later seems to be more picky in regards to which HDMI screen you are hooking up.

There have been more issues with Nvidia cards as of late (New world bricking cards, which absolutely is an Nvidia issue hence fixed by a drive update, 3000 series feeding noise into the 12Vsense pin that was never fixed which caused certain PSUs to trip, discord bug, melting power connectors, screen flickering issues in games).

That other poster was right, some people completely ignore the issues Nvidia has while claiming AMD is the worst. AMD drivers have improved leaps and bounds and yet for people like you they still black screen simulators.

You can make a subjective argument that one is better than the other but the fact that some people pretend there has been no improvement is clear evidence of bias.

I agree.

Why so many of you guys believe that the survivability and profitability of a company/branch depends on market share is beyond me.

Marketshare is calculated as a percentage of sales in a given period.

It literally is one of the best indicators of success. Revenue and total share of market revenue are critical to any business.

 

[Bomby569]

I've had more issues with Nvidia GPUs as of late when it comes to black screens. 3060 Ti for a client didn't like his TV and wouldn't show picture. Worked perfectly fine with an AMD card. The 3000 series and later seems to be more picky in regards to which HDMI screen you are hooking up.

There have been more issues with Nvidia cards as of late (New world bricking cards, which absolutely is an Nvidia issue hence fixed by a drive update, 3000 series feeding noise into the 12Vsense pin that was never fixed which caused certain PSUs to trip, discord bug, melting power connectors, screen flickering issues in games).

That other poster was right, some people completely ignore the issues Nvidia has while claiming AMD is the worst. AMD drivers have improved leaps and bounds and yet for people like you they still black screen simulators.

You can make a subjective argument that one is better than the other but the fact that some people pretend there has been no improvement is clear evidence of bias.

ignoring the obvious reality, there is always someone willing to do so, and avoiding anecdotal examples, what's the reason AMD has a insignificant market share?
people dislike AMD for no reason? ryzen! cof cof cof

if you're going for an argument at least make it make sense. AMD drivers are a game on it's own, they ship it free with the card, the problem is they aren't a fun one.

 

[AcE]

it's not a monopoly, the competition is just useless.

Now we have someone here who doesn't know what a monopoly is. Google it perhaps.

Ryzen's success would not translate to the GPU market.

Doesn't make much sense. If AMD would invest everything into GPU they would be 100% way more competitive than now. This is how business and development works, basics. You invest more -> you get more out of it.

That is also why i speculated that it would've been perhaps better if AMD did not buy ATI, because ATI would care about GPU and nothing else.

 

[Krit]

AMD drivers are a game on it's own, they ship it free with the card, the problem is they aren't a fun one.

In my personal experience i highly disagree with you but that's maybe only me. I used RX 6600 XT, RX 6700 XT for short period of time and RX 5700 XT, RX 6800, RX 7900 XT, RX 7800 XT for decent amount of time. Drivers wise no issues there!

 

[AcE]

In my personal experience i highly disagree with you but that's maybe only me.

I also never had any issues with Radeon cards and I used them before they were as polished and great as now, "old times".

Nvidia copied the driver interface of AMD btw ("NVIDIA App"), you guys keep yapping about it, but Nvidia seems to disagree with Radeon haters.

 

[Bomby569]

Now we have someone here who doesn't know what a monopoly is. Google it perhaps.

maybe i found you're problem, use the dictionary not google for something like that

monopoly

1. (an organization or group that has) complete control of something…

dictionary.cambridge.org

 

[Scattergrunt]

Desperately, and you know what too? Part of the problem is their most vocal fanbase members, that makes maining a current Radeon less appealing to me by association with these people. Constantly and actively crapping on anything and everything Nvidia, claiming majority/everyone who buys them are sheep or brain-dead who just allowed themselves to succumb to marketing, "influencers" and of course their favourite, gimmicks. That the legitimate enthusiasts are shills with the subtext through all this being that they're smarter and of course somehow also morally superior to boot, to have chosen Radeon.

I think anyone who thinks that they are somehow more morally correct by choosing a AMD or Intel card vs Nvidia because Nvidia has such a huge market-share should probably realize that at the end of the day its all business. Do support the hardware that you like and enjoy, but keep it reasonable. Search for answers as to *why* AMD hasn't gotten their market share, instead of name-calling (not implying anyone here has been doing such, to clarify.) So I'd definitely agree with you and Dr. Dro.

Me personally, I'm just here to see AMD or Intel succeed because competition is good. And while a 90% market-share is concerning to me, I don't necessarily see it as the end of the world (especially because I have reason to believe its temporary anyway.)

Weren't monopolist companies deconstructed (I don't know how to say it) back then in US, so they cease to have monopolies and are multiple smaller companies instead? Well won't happen here, but it would help. Now we're stuck with this monopoly and really almost nobody cares. I bet 5090 will cost 2000$ if not more, 5080 again 1200+ - Nvidia doesn't care, there is no competition this time. People will complain and then go and buy it. Sad. Successor of 4070 Ti / 4070 / 4060 Ti will all still be stuck at high pricing, like currently. Even the 4060 is overpriced but people buy all these products.

It happened with AT&T back in 1982, and was very infamous. But honestly the US Judicial system doing anything right in recent times is a rarity. You can look up more information on how they handled the situation with AT&T if you want if you see U.S. v. AT&T (1982). Nvidia in a hypothetical situation like this would more than likely probably not be as affected at AT&T was back then.

 

[evernessince]

Doesn't make much sense. If AMD would invest everything into GPU they would be 100% way more competitive than now. This is how business and development works, basics. You invest more -> you get more out of it.

That is also why i speculated that it would've been perhaps better if AMD did not buy ATI, because ATI would care about GPU and nothing else.

The bold part of your comment assumes a free and fair market. Something of which is a rarity today. Take a look across markets, most of the top players retain power through one manner or another or anti-competitive behavior, locking up talent, buying competitors, etc.

AMD would be more competitive sure but for reasons stated in my last post I don't believe it would create a 2nd Ryzen moment. There's really nothing stopping Nvidia for pulling another GameWorks if they feel remotely threatened. The fact that Nvidia still feels the need to coerce AIBs to this day with allotment and forcing high end branding only on Nvidia cards (ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI only have their top GPU SKUs on Nvidia this generation) despite their overwhelming marketshare says to me that they would absolutely be willing to use more anti-competitive measures if AMD were to attempt to heavily push value.

 

[AcE]

maybe i found you're problem, use the dictionary not google for something like that

monopoly

1. (an organization or group that has) complete control of something…

dictionary.cambridge.org

You realise that google entails everything, right? And? Your link is literally not agreeing with you, smartypants. hahah

AMD would be more competitive sure but for reasons stated in my last post I don't believe it would create a 2nd Ryzen moment.

That's a funny and ironic take, given the fact that you're talking about the "Ryzen moment" and then right after the fact believe it never happened. If it happens in CPU it can also happen anywhere else, pretty obvious.

 

[Hecate91]

That would be great IQ test for those idiots. AKA "reality check"

Personally i owned nvidia for 14.5 years and AMD for 2.5 years and i exactly know what about i'm talking about.

I went from a 3070Ti to a 7900XTX, I might've kept the 3070Ti if it weren't for Nvidia having planned obsolescence in their lower end and mid range cards, having at least 12GB would've been nice.
No issues going from Nvidia to AMD in my experience, and the control panel UI is a lot nicer, IMO.

Nvidia copied the driver interface of AMD btw ("NVIDIA App"), you guys keep yapping about it, but Nvidia seems to disagree with Radeon haters.

The funny thing is people freaked out claiming they don't need anything better than the outdated control panel or never use it, though if the UI were unified with overclocking and fan control utilities the control panel would be much more useful.

Search for answers as to *why* AMD hasn't gotten their market share, instead of name-calling. So I'd definitely agree with you and Dr. Dro.

I haven't seen any name calling from AMD users in this thread, its always the same Nvidia users to be the first bashing on AMD in GPU threads, and then the Nvidia users play the victim by claiming its the other side being toxic, and I think fanboying for a "side" is very unhealthy.

 

[Scattergrunt]

I haven't seen any name calling from AMD users in this thread, its always the same Nvidia users to be the first bashing on AMD in GPU threads, and then the Nvidia users play the victim by claiming its the other side being toxic, and I think fanboying for a "side" is very unhealthy.

I wasn't specifically referring to anyone here. Discussion here has been mostly civil, from what I can tell, besides some flamey comment which happen with this kind of discussion, which is pretty normal. (EDIT: In hindsight, this is pretty funny for me to say considering the next page..)

Wasn't my intention to imply as such either, I'll edit my post to make that clearer. It would be hypocritical for me be against brand loyalty and then come off as if I'm loyal to X company anyway.

 

[AcE]

The funny thing is people freaked out claiming they don't need anything better than the outdated control panel or never use it, though if the UI were unified with overclocking and fan control utilities the control panel would be much more useful.

I don't, but i don't freak out about it, I simply don't care as long as everything works. Fact is even Nvidia thought their stuff is outdated.

 

[ir_cow]

Why would they exit a monopoly? You would make a bad capitalist.

Gaming sector is like 18% of their revenue now. Keeps going down. Why sell a gaming GPU when it can be turned into a 10k AI one instead?

 

[wheresmycar]

These threads sometimes feel more like boardroom debates between invested stakeholders from competing companies, rather than genuine consumer discussions/concerns/feedback.

As usual just a load of BS!

 

[AcE]

Gaming sector is like 18% of their revenue now. Keeps going down. Why sell a gaming GPU when it can be turned into a 10k AI one instead?

Why, because they like it (no, really). Not a coincidence they make great gaming gpus.