[Official] HP Reverb G2

[Octavean]

I really think HP missed out by not having it ready to buy before the Quest 2 announcement. I've already seen so many people opting to get the Q2 over the G2. I'd get a $299 Q2 over the G2 at this point anyway. Wireless VR is really good and right now the best option is the Q2 for wireless using Virtual Desktop.

I concur,...

If I were buying a VR HMD right now it would likely be the Oculus Quest 2. There are compromises to be made in buying just about any VR HMD (even if it seems like you aren't compromising). Overall I like the feature set of the Q2 and while I like the features of the G2 as well, I'm put off by the lack of capacitive touch in the controllers and the lack of flexibility (PC tethered only).

Having said that, I'm still fine with my original Oculus Quest for now.

Unfortunately its difficult or near impossible to buy a lot of tech at or near the MSRP with the exception of a few products.

 

[Mindweaver]

I concur,...

If I were buying a VR HMD right now it would likely be the Oculus Quest 2. There are compromises to be made in buying just about any VR HMD (even if it seems like you aren't compromising). Overall I like the feature set of the Q2 and while I like the features of the G2 as well, I'm put off by the lack of capacitive touch in the controllers and the lack of flexibility (PC tethered only).

Having said that, I'm still fine with my original Oculus Quest for now.

Unfortunately its difficult or near impossible to buy a lot of tech at or near the MSRP with the exception of a few products.

I'd be hard-pressed to upgrade from Quest to Quest2 right now, but if money isn't an issue and you want a second HMD then Quest 2 is a decent upgrade in performance and no SDE. But if you play a lot of horror games then the black levels on the Quest is better.

 

[Octavean]

I'd be hard-pressed to upgrade from Quest to Quest2 right now, but if money isn't an issue and you want a second HMD then Quest 2 is a decent upgrade in performance and no SDE. But if you play a lot of horror games then the black levels on the Quest is better.

When I started to think about a new PC build late last year it was extremely difficult to source an AMD RyZen 3950X processor (at or near MSRP). It was so difficult in fact that once I was able to buy one at ~$750 USD I had to wait until early 2020 to actually assemble it. I opted to use an old unused GTX 970 rather then buy a current RTX 2070 or 2060 class card because I figured I'd wait for Ampere.

I also have a GTX 1060 but that is in my Core i7 5820K build and the performance difference between the 1060 vs 970 is negligible.

Now I would buy an RTX 3070 if I could actually find one at or near its ~$499 MSRP. Since I can't, I might as well wait until the prices stabilize to what they should be. I also want to buy a PS5 (if I can find one) and just bought an iPhone 12 Pro Max with AppleCare at cost (no subsidies).

So while a new VR HMD would be great, I'm still OK with the Oculus Quest v1 and I have other fish to fry. That is not to say I won't buy a new VR HMD but I can buy that at any time since supplies seem to be plentiful (Quest 2). So no rush,...

 

[xkm1948]

Review is here for the Reverb G2

 

[Mindweaver]

When I started to think about a new PC build late last year it was extremely difficult to source an AMD RyZen 3950X processor (at or near MSRP). It was so difficult in fact that once I was able to buy one at ~$750 USD I had to wait until early 2020 to actually assemble it. I opted to use an old unused GTX 970 rather then buy a current RTX 2070 or 2060 class card because I figured I'd wait for Ampere.

I also have a GTX 1060 but that is in my Core i7 5820K build and the performance difference between the 1060 vs 970 is negligible.

Now I would buy an RTX 3070 if I could actually find one at or near its ~$499 MSRP. Since I can't, I might as well wait until the prices stabilize to what they should be. I also want to buy a PS5 (if I can find one) and just bought an iPhone 12 Pro Max with AppleCare at cost (no subsidies).

So while a new VR HMD would be great, I'm still OK with the Oculus Quest v1 and I have other fish to fry. That is not to say I won't buy a new VR HMD but I can buy that at any time since supplies seem to be plentiful (Quest 2). So no rush,...

Yeah, enjoy your Quest. It still has a lot of life left in it. I bet HLA looks amazing on it.

Review is here for the Reverb G2

I'm looking forward to all of the reviews that should start popping up. I'll watch this one soon.

 

[Octavean]

Yeah, enjoy your Quest. It still has a lot of life left in it. I bet HLA looks amazing on it.

HL:A does indeed look fairly good on the Oculus Quest.

The major problem is the GTX970 which is really just borderline for HL:A on the Quest. Again, if I could find an RTX 3070 at or near MSRP I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Edit:

With the G2 I'm sure the GTX 970 simply wouldn't fly.

 

[Mindweaver]

HL:A does indeed look fairly good on the Oculus Quest.

The major problem is the GTX970 which is really just borderline for HL:A on the Quest. Again, if I could find an RTX 3070 at or near MSRP I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Valve just released a major update for Half-Life: Alyx that adds 3 hours of commentary! I can't wait to check it out. Yeah, the GTX970 was great and I started out with one with my Vive, but now I'm using an RTX 2070. I'd say if you can find an RTX 2070 or above then it's like night and day over the GTX 970.

EDIT: I can only imagine how good the blacks are using the Quest with HLA.

 

[Octavean]

Valve just released a major update for Half-Life: Alyx that adds 3 hours of commentary! I can't wait to check it out. Yeah, the GTX970 was great and I started out with one with my Vive, but now I'm using an RTX 2070. I'd say if you can find an RTX 2070 or above then it's like night and day over the GTX 970.

EDIT: I can only imagine how good the blacks are using the Quest with HLA.

There was a time that I was seriously considering a RTX 2070 or 2060. Availability is scant though and pricing is atrocious. Typically one would expect prices for the previous generation to go down at least slightly but RTX 2070 pricing is hundreds of dollars over the MSRP of the current RTX 3070 ($499). Even a lot of RTX 2060 cards are overpriced,...

I'd prefer an RTX 3000 series card at this point though,...

It's a $#!t show out there now and I'll just have to wait it out.

 

[Mindweaver]

There was a time that I was seriously considering a RTX 2070 or 2060. Availability is scant though and pricing is atrocious. Typically one would expect prices for the previous generation to go down at least slightly but RTX 2070 pricing is hundreds of dollars over the MSRP of the current RTX 3070 ($499). Even a lot of RTX 2060 cards are overpriced,...

I'd prefer an RTX 3000 series card at this point though,...

It's a $#!t show out there now and I'll just have to wait it out.

Holy crap! I totally thought the 2070's were coming down.. lol I just saw the min for the G2 is a 1070, but I'd question how good. I wouldn't use anything less than a 2070 with a G2. Of course it's good they didn't just slap the same ol gtx 970 as the min that most still say.

 

[Space Lynx]

if by some miracle i manage to get a 6800 xt, i think i will get this too. im quite lucky in that my bday is only 1 month after christmas.

half-life alyx, beat saber, raw data, Vader

any other games I should look into if it happens? I was to use VR to get in shape...

 

[bubbleawsome]

Think there will be wireless options for the G2? I may pick one up early next year

 

[Mindweaver]

if by some miracle i manage to get a 6800 xt, i think i will get this too. im quite lucky in that my bday is only 1 month after christmas.

half-life alyx, beat saber, raw data, Vader

any other games I should look into if it happens? I was to use VR to get in shape...

I don't know man I just finished watching the review above from Mike at Virtual Reality Oasis. He showed that the controllers use 2x aa batteries per controller and just after 2 days of moderate use they needed to be replaced.. My Quest 2 batteries are still on 90% after a month of using the controllers and they are 1x aa per controller. Plus, the tracking of the controllers isn't great. The controllers have less feed back and no captive touch feature. I can't get over how good the controllers are for the Quest 2. They are really sturdy as well. There is a good Quest 2 extreme torture test that I'm going to post on the Quest 2 thread after this post. Now, Mike did say that the headset tracking is good.. it's just the controllers. Now, that can be worked on by HP, but who knows when it will happen. It was promised from HTC for the Cosmos but nother ever happend except added a tracker to the front of the cosmos and using light houses and Index controller or Vive wands. Mike also said that if you only plan to use it for Racing or flight sims then the G2 is amazing.

Think there will be wireless options for the G2? I may pick one up early next year

I haven't heard anything. I'd get a Quest 2 at this point or wait for Valve's wireless option for the index or the next index. There is word that they are working on an upgraded to the Index that will be much easier to build but still high quality. They don't want to compete with FB in the lowend market but hell after I added my Vive deluxe Audio Strap to my Quest 2 it feels like a premium solution.

 

[Octavean]

if by some miracle i manage to get a 6800 xt, i think i will get this too. im quite lucky in that my bday is only 1 month after christmas.

half-life alyx, beat saber, raw data, Vader

any other games I should look into if it happens? I was to use VR to get in shape...

I suspect it will be just as difficult to buy a 6800XT as it is now to buy an RTX 3000 series or PS5.

Good Luck!

 

[Space Lynx]

I don't know man I just finished watching the review above from Mike at Virtual Reality Oasis. He showed that the controllers use 2x aa batteries per controller and just after 2 days of moderate use they needed to be replaced.. My Quest 2 batteries are still on 90% after a month of using the controllers and they are 1x aa per controller. Plus, the tracking of the controllers isn't great. The controllers have less feed back and no captive touch feature. I can't get over how good the controllers are for the Quest 2. They are really sturdy as well. There is a good Quest 2 extreme torture test that I'm going to post on the Quest 2 thread after this post. Now, Mike did say that the headset tracking is good.. it's just the controllers. Now, that can be worked on by HP, but who knows when it will happen. It was promised from HTC for the Cosmos but nother ever happend except added a tracker to the front of the cosmos and using light houses and Index controller or Vive wands. Mike also said that if you only plan to use it for Racing or flight sims then the G2 is amazing.


I haven't heard anything. I'd get a Quest 2 at this point or wait for Valve's wireless option for the index or the next index. There is word that they are working on an upgraded to the Index that will be much easier to build but still high quality. They don't want to compete with FB in the lowend market but hell after I added my Vive deluxe Audio Strap to my Quest 2 it feels like a premium solution.

that's all I needed to know. i will just be waiting another generation then. i might do quest 2 still. we will see.

 

[Octavean]

that's all I needed to know. i will just be waiting another generation then. i might do quest 2 still. we will see.

One good thing about Quest 2 is that it seems to be readily available and the scalpers seem to be overlooking it for now,....

So there should be little to no problem getting one,.....

 

[Space Lynx]

One good thing about Quest 2 is that it seems to be readily available and the scalpers seem to be overlooking it for now,....

So there should be little to no problem getting one,.....

the 72hz is main dealbreaker for me, i don't think they will fulfill promise of 90hz i want 90hz on beat saber minimum

 

[Nuckles56]

the 72hz is main dealbreaker for me, i don't think they will fulfill promise of 90hz i want 90hz on beat saber minimum

I can't blame you as beatsaber is much better at higher refresh rates

 

[Mindweaver]

the 72hz is main dealbreaker for me, i don't think they will fulfill promise of 90hz i want 90hz on beat saber minimum

I'm already playing at 90hz using sidequest. Using Sidequest you can make a lot of changes like set Refresh Rate to 90hz, set CPU and GPU to its max level 4, Set the default Texture Size much higher than it's default. I set my quest 2 to 90hz, CPU, and GPU to Level 4, and texture size to 2048. The texture options are 512, 768, 1024, 1280, 1536, 2048, 2560, 3072. I have found that 2048 is higher than default and looks really good with great performance. I'm just baffled at why most users on TPU haven't jumped all over this for what you get for $299. Wait I don't want to open that can of worms.. I don't want to turn this into a FB login debate... lol

Going back to Sidequest if you do change the refresh rate to 90hz and CPU and GPU then I would suggest adding a battery bank because your battery will drain faster. Also, Oculus has turned on 90hz for its home environment and menu stuff. We should be getting 90hz fairly soon. Plus, Carmack has already confirmed 120hz and he has tested it. I don't think we will ever get 120hz officially but there is a possiblity.

 

[Space Lynx]

I'm already playing at 90hz using sidequest. Using Sidequest you can make a lot of changes like set Refresh Rate to 90hz, set CPU and GPU to its max level 4, Set the default Texture Size much higher than it's default. I set my quest 2 to 90hz, CPU, and GPU to Level 4, and texture size to 2048. The texture options are 512, 768, 1024, 1280, 1536, 2048, 2560, 3072. I have found that 2048 is higher than default and looks really good with great performance. I'm just baffled at why most users on TPU haven't jumped all over this for what you get for $299. Wait I don't want to open that can of worms.. I don't want to turn this into a FB login debate... lol

Going back to Sidequest if you do change the refresh rate to 90hz and CPU and GPU then I would suggest adding a battery bank because your battery will drain faster. Also, Oculus has turned on 90hz for its home environment and menu stuff. We should be getting 90hz fairly soon. Plus, Carmack has already confirmed 120hz and he has tested it. I don't think we will ever get 120hz officially but there is a possiblity.

jhow hard it is it to do this "sidequest" i never heard of it. im not super tech savvy. in the sense i can't program/code...

 

[Mindweaver]

jhow hard it is it to do this "sidequest" i never heard of it. im not super tech savvy. in the sense i can't program/code...

It's super easy, come over to our Official SideQuest (unofficial store) thread. It can do all of those other things but the biggest thing it does is sideload unofficial games that didn't make it on to FB's store. One game that I play is Pavlov Shack. You can also get Lambada1VR project which is Half-Life VR. Half-Life VR plays like it was meant for VR. You can even use the crowbar. I just got Ancient Dungeon and it's really good so far. The best part is that it's all free. I'm going to add a how too at somepoint to the official SideQuest thread, but it's really easy just download the installer then launch it and connect your Quest/2 then start installing games.

 

[Octavean]

It's super easy, come over to our Official SideQuest (unofficial store) thread. It can do all of those other things but the biggest thing it does is sideload unofficial games that didn't make it on to FB's store. One game that I play is Pavlov Shack. You can also get Lambada1VR project which is Half-Life VR. Half-Life VR plays like it was meant for VR. You can even use the crowbar. I just got Ancient Dungeon and it's really good so far. The best part is that it's all free. I'm going to add a how too at somepoint to the official SideQuest thread, but it's really easy just download the installer then launch it and connect your Quest/2 then start installing games.

Yeah, I have no doubt that the Oculus Quest 2 can do 90Hz or 120Hz. I've even heard the Oculus Quest v1 can do 90Hz although I have no desire to test that out any time soon.

 

[dave23913]

Just received my new HP Reverb G2 headset but i was disappointed to experience performance problems (my PC specs below). I typically play Elite Dangerous, but when I first entered the game I had "extreme" graphic stuttering. After running several tests, gradually decreasing the video resolution in SteamVR settings, I finally got a relatively smooth graphics display at 60% resolution, but during fast-motion game play (dog fights), the graphics still have a slight lag - I never saw this with the Oculus Rift S. Now, I'm seeing a repeatable issue when I exit and enter a space station where the displays go black and stay that way for several seconds. Also happens at random times during dog fight within asteroid rings (very annoying). Curious to know if anyone has insights on what I can look at or change to possibly help with this.

OS: WIndows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU: Intel i7-9700 @ 3.60GHz
Ram: 16GB
MB: Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
DirectX: v12

Thanks

 

[Original1984]

Just received my new HP Reverb G2 headset but i was disappointed to experience performance problems (my PC specs below). I typically play Elite Dangerous, but when I first entered the game I had "extreme" graphic stuttering. After running several tests, gradually decreasing the video resolution in SteamVR settings, I finally got a relatively smooth graphics display at 60% resolution, but during fast-motion game play (dog fights), the graphics still have a slight lag - I never saw this with the Oculus Rift S. Now, I'm seeing a repeatable issue when I exit and enter a space station where the displays go black and stay that way for several seconds. Also happens at random times during dog fight within asteroid rings (very annoying). Curious to know if anyone has insights on what I can look at or change to possibly help with this.

OS: WIndows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU: Intel i7-9700 @ 3.60GHz
Ram: 16GB
MB: Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
DirectX: v12

Thanks

can you get the FPS for that game curious how it running before it freezes, also do you see anything in the event logs around that time may shed some light on the issue Somthing mayof got logged to help point in the right direction. How does it perform other games? May be specific to ED. I’d test myself for you but still waiting for mine

 

[dave23913]

So far I've only tested it with Elite Dangerous and X-Plane 11 and saw similar results. Interestingly, I just bumped up the video resolution to 140% just to see if I could repeat the stuttering and found that it ran smooth ??? Not sure what to think about that. But, the blanking out is definitely repeatable., and so far I have not experienced this with X-Plane 11. Might be specific to ED. I'll try some other games and report back. Haven't checked the event log (I'll have to poke around to find it - haven't looked at it before).

 

[Original1984]

So far I've only tested it with Elite Dangerous and X-Plane 11 and saw similar results. Interestingly, I just bumped up the video resolution to 140% just to see if I could repeat the stuttering and found that it ran smooth ??? Not sure what to think about that. But, the blanking out is definitely repeatable., and so far I have not experienced this with X-Plane 11. Might be specific to ED. I'll try some other games and report back. Haven't checked the event log (I'll have to poke around to find it - haven't looked at it before).

for the event logs nothing specific to the game or the headset just windows

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