LoL, exceeded expectation is a big stretch, given that the 9070XT would flop if they were selling for 650usd (that AMD wanted to)
LOL. They wanted to sell it for $650 and it would have failed, yet every model including 340W OC models selling for ~$800 is sold out. LOL.
Reality check there, bud. What you're saying makes absolutely zero sense. Also, as I keep telling you, prices on these will drop below the real $600 and your imaginary $650 soon-enough.
I smell that sweet sweet green cope of the reality of nVIDIA's awful price/perf setting in. Not for you, you're still spinning, but for most people.
AMD came correct with a product that exceeded expectations
Exceeded who's expectations? It met
my expectations. I thought it needed to keep 60 mins in 1080p Wukong and 1440p Outlaws. It achieved 59 and 59.6 according to W1z. But hey, you can OC it, so...it's fine.
It 99% met my expectations...at stock. 100% in reality for any person that can move a slider a little bit.
. That said I also wanted it to be $550, and it ain't there yet. Clock ticking until it is.
Am I to be surprised that high end GPU are sold out and prices to be inflated at launch?
Weren't 7900XTX also heavily inflated and sold out at launch too? Lots of people hold AMD dearly in their heart.
I don't know why you think I want Radeon to fail, they are litterally at the bottom already that I think they should try to claim at least 20% of the marketshare, and selling at inflated price is not the right way to claim marketshare.
Yep, super high-end. Like a 5070, which resides in the same price bracket. Oh wait. I guess it is high-end compared to that, and often times still cheaper.
It's not that we think you want them to fail, guy, it's that you sound like a fool because none of what you're saying is true. The prices are inflated because they can be, when they can't be they won't be.
And then they will continue to sell more to the people that wouldn't pay those prices. And the nVIDIA cards will set on the shelves, still overpriced, until the AIBs discount them (as nVIDIA certainly won't).
The problem will fix itself. High prices are the solution to high prices.
Disclaimer: High being a relative term here. If you are the unlucky lonely soul to consider something high priced but no one else does, it is not a high price to the actual market.
The right way to sell anything is to "barely" sell all of your product. That is the right price, to have demand just barely outstripping supply.
So if AMD is selling all of its cards at a given price, you could argue the price is perhaps too low from a market equilibrium POV. To gain market share, you need to increase production which will then overwhelm the demand at a given price. Prices will then drop until it is no longer profitable for the producer to increase any more production.
Right, but this is all relative. Right now the price isn't too high. And will sell. Then it will be discounted. And it will sell. Then they have excess supply, and it will be discounted more. And then sell more.
Margin and volume my guy. You take the first and then the second, and I imagine they will do just that.
5070Ti is a 4080 all over again, for the same price 2 years later.
Yep. But on a piece of marketing paper somewhere it is cheaper. Both worse than 9070 xt in my very not cherry-picked Time Spy comparison, which again is a fair representation of equalized perf.
9070 xt is kind of like a better 4080 Super, and 5070ti is, as you said, kind of a 4080. And 5080 is not a 4090, which is truly the next step up from a 9070xt. So...yeah.
And ofc 100 is the score where most games will keep 60 at 1080pRT. Which, ofc, 9070 xt can/does and 4080/5070ti can't and don't; varying by game which. Weird. Except not, bc nVIDIA. This is what they do.
At the bottom in mind share. I have only been here for a few but it seems there is a heavy anti AMD thought process in some people. Even your comment about being at the bottom makes no sense given the title of this thread. I guess what I am saying is the continued anti AMD argument is beginning to sound a little ridiculous. The 7000 series did sell out but within a month they were readily available. Even in the World of inflated prices the 9070XT was sold with the performance of 7900 for 7700XT prices. Obviously the market has responded positively. I guess the RT argument will move to PT now too. It is also up to AIBs to charge what they will.
^^^ This guy gets it (and I don't know why it struck out that quote; won't let me fix it).
I mean, I wouldn't say the 7900 for 7700 thing, but it is a typical 1440p AMD card selling for a proposed price of a typical 1440p AMD card (generally ~$500-600) compared to a typical more expensive nVIDIA card.
It's not new, it's just now people care because of the matched RT/FSR perf. Again, until they don't, and then AMD will take their typical prices. The PT thing is funny, bc I suspect that exact thing will be attempted.
I can only tell you if you didn't make people aware (as you are), more would fall for it. For I have seen it happen. It is very sad. They watch too much YT and don't actually understand what Youtubers jobs entail.
I mean the card is a “hit” as far as price/performance. If I didn’t have an XTX and didn’t require pure raster I’d be all over it. I’m 99% VR the 9000s can’t fit my requirements.
I hear that, and am with you (but 1440pRT/4k raster).
The battle for that card will be next gen and cheaper then we would've gotten this gen anyhow, which just have been a slightly discounted 4090, so at least there's that. This gen it would've ~$1200.
I could imagine AMD shooting for as low as a $800. I could imagine nVIDIA very much attempting at least $1000 if not shooting for $1200 still. Again, bc nVIDIA. You may notice a theme.
Nvidia essentially got a free pass for the "5070 as fast as a 4090" claim.
The 9070XT is like the 7900XTX but $400 less with better RT and upscaling, I would consider that a win.
What free pass? I literally love to use little tiny font so I'll go ahead and quote JH's bullshit right here so I can: "5070 is a 4090...
using the power of AI.". Can't run 1440p raster or 1080pRT well bc too little ram though.
If they really didn't try to sell that 1080pFG up-scaling to 4k as good-enough. Not just 5070 but also on the "$1000" 5080. That is quite an amazing feat for a new "$1000" card to suck so much it has to do that.
And a $550 card w/ 12GB and less than 40TF in 2025. They really tried to sell that piece of shit. They did in-fact fail quite miserably to every damn reviewer on this planet that's name isn't W1zzard, but they tried.
It truly isn't better raytracing (if you overclock a 7900xtx), but it is better up-scaling. A 7900xtx with FSR4 *might* be a technically better card, but not by much, and both have different general use-cases.
Clearly AMD expected a different ratio of RT than what ended up being implemented by
nVIDIA's literal human support staff and/or stack of money paid to game developers. They re-balanced for this card.
So ~7900xtx RT became a 1440p raster card. But you gave up that raster and ram for 4k. So I wouldn't directly compare them unless you could upscale 1080pRT on a 7900xtx and have it not look like crap.
On the same token, I wouldn't necessarily recommend a 9070 xt for 4k w/o people understanding a whole bunch of caveats. That's what guy in the above quote is talking about, and he's right.
