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PLEASE HELP - should change my entire system or just upgrade

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Can a motherboard that supports DDR4 RAM accommodate my CPU ?
No
Is it necessary to get a board that will be able to accommodate the newer NVMe storage cards ?
Related to question above - no
Should I just go for 32 GB RAM - will it really be a lot better than going for 16 GB - I currently have only 8 GB
16 GB is going to be a lot better than 8 GB. 32 GB will only be marginally better.
All 4 RAM slots are currently occupied by 4 X 2 GB RAM
I think you're only seeing the RAM slots on one side of the CPU, largely because of that big cooler. That motherboard has 8 slots.
1 TB Western Digital Hard Drive - old and tired
According to your screen shot, you have a 640 GB HDD
I am just a bit concerned about the failure of some of the functions on the MB
That's what my previous post was trying to get across. Your present motherboard is dying and it's time to move on.

I'm working on a build....
 

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Thanks for the correction
You do make a valid point about moving on
I will get 16 GB RAM
What board would you suggest would be the best value for money considering my CPU / GPU and cooler
My case is big - lots of room
 
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Prices in Canada!!! And your Craigslist is depressing
Here's what I'd recommend:
Reuse your PSU, CPU cooler and bring the HDD along for data storage. I wish the case could be replaced...USB3. Install OS and apps on the SSD.
$265 Newegg.CA Intel Core i5-11400 This has built in graphics because I don't trust that GTX 760 to last much longer.
$165 Newegg.CA ASRock H570M PRO4 500 series motherboard with 4 RAM slots so you could get 16 GB now and add more latter if needed
$120 Newegg.CA CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200

That's already $550, and I don't know if there's tax on top of that.
 

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Thanks for the suggestions
I will look it over
I did a comparison between the of the Intel Core i5-11400 and the Intel Xeon E5-2667 V2 8-Core online
The i5 seems to do very well
 

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Please uninstall this absolute trash.


Use Defender and download malware bytes to run periodically if you arent savvy and dont want to spend the money.



This is likely your old hard drive. I imagine you need to space since you use corel and appear to draw. I would reccomend getting a 250gb SSD for your OS and a new hard drive to actually store your stuff on.

This should remediate a lot of your issues.
^^ THIS ^^


How ever just getting a SSD might be all you need. But you need to stop installing crapware.
 
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BTW @nanotech , I think your computer is like this car:
 

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@ ASRock which crapware ?

@ thebluebumblebee - yes I think you got that right : )

I gotta move on from this old machine to a newer build like you suggested.
 
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Why are people telling OP that his motherboard is failing?

@nanotech, upgrade to a newer platform if you want to/can afford to, but even a fresh install of Windows 10 on your newly acquired SSD is going to be a profound upgrade for the basic office tasks you’re performing. I’d try that out and then see how you feel about your computer from there.

Sure, you could upgrade the RAM (best next upgrade since you like to have a lot of tabs open) or CPU from there (I’d just wait until your PC dies for your tasks), but folks here are trying to turn your web browsing machine into a workstation or an entry-level gaming PC. That’s fine, but if what you have on hand works for you and you don’t want to spend money, it’s okay to be frugal about things you don’t need.
 
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Well, I suggested he use the SSD and Windows 10 he already has, and that he doesn't even get more RAM (8GB is not exactly small); a zero dollar solution.
I think it was the OP who said one of his USB ports stopped working.
 
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Yes it was I that mentioned about the USB port and the Audio out jack failing on the rear on the motherboard
 
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Why not spend the evening installing the SSD? and then deciding if you need more.
 
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There is heaps of good advice in this thread and folks are genuinely interested in helping the OP. This is what you would expect from a knowledgeable and dedicated community. But it seems to me that not everyone has given enough priority to OP's needs and their intended computer use:

The system is slow and cranky
Applications take too long to start and respond
I use my computer a lot for business and surfing
I DO use graphics software like Corel Draw and sometime Adobe graphics products to fix graphics files
I use a lot of office productivity tools and Customer Relations Management software
I use Acrobat Pro to create and edit pdfs and a lot of graphics file edits
I surf a lot with literally 30 windows open all at once
I am on a BUDGET

It is clear that their main activity is office productivity. These scenarios rest on high IPC, not core count. Also the general "feel", or responsiveness, of the system will be largely influenced by higher IPC and clock speed - rather than taking advantage of multiple threads. While I wouldn't call the i7-3820 "sluggish" or "obsolete" for office use, it is plain that the OP would really benefit from having faster cores, not more of them. Even a contemporary 4c/8t CPU will fit the OP's needs perfectly.
 
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There is heaps of good advice in this thread and folks are genuinely interested in helping the OP. This is what you would expect from a knowledgeable and dedicated community. But it seems to me that not everyone has given enough priority to OP's needs and their intended computer use:



It is clear that their main activity is office productivity. These scenarios rest on high IPC, not core count. Also the general "feel", or responsiveness, of the system will be largely influenced by higher IPC and clock speed - rather than taking advantage of multiple threads. While I wouldn't call the i7-3820 "sluggish" or "obsolete" for office use, it is plain that the OP would really benefit from having faster cores, not more of them. Even a contemporary 4c/8t CPU will fit the OP's needs perfectly.
As one who has firsthand knowledge and years of experience with the X79 platform I've learned that more cores make a huge difference and do so at lower CPU temps. Also, replacing an 8 core 5960X in X99 with a 16 core Xeon E5 2683 V4 running at half the clock speed yielded things like A/V transcoding being much quicker at far lower operating temperatures. I'm currently in the process of replacing an ASRock Z87 Extreme6/4790K w/32GB of RAM with an Asus X79 Sabertooth/Xeon E5 1680 V2 w/64GB of RAM. I have an identical Sabertooth/1680 V2 in another rig and it blows away the Z87 in every aspect. 8 cores vs 4 at the same speed (4.5GHz) with the same cooling setup runs vastly cooler under load. The Xeons are better silicon than the i7's.

I've noticed it being stated that 8GB (2 x 4) of RAM is "enough". X79 is a quad channel memory platform and only using half of it is a huge waste of potential resources. 4 x 8GB is the minimum (32GB) for any type of production work. I've tried 4 x 4, 4 x 8 and finally found the best to be 8 x 8 (64GB). Faster clock speeds don't allow you to have more windows open, more system resources do. A 4c/8t CPU bottlenecks what the X79 is really capable of doing no matter what clock speed it's running at. I had a 3930K running at 5.02GHz in one of my X79's and a 1680 V2 at 4.5GHz absolutely killed it in benchmarks and actual use plus runs cooler. I had a 4960X in that same rig before the Xeon and I sold it as soon as I put the Xeon in.

I just looked on Ebay and the 1680 V2's start at $120 now, they were at $90 a few weeks ago. the 12 core 2697 V2's start at $135 at the moment, they were $120 a few weeks ago and there was one last night for $125. Lex's preferred 8 core locked E5-2667 V2 is at $119 to start with. There no way a 4c/8t CPU will come close to any of those no matter how fast it's clocked. On the extreme side of things I have a 22c/44t E5 2699 V4 w/128GB of RAM in another X99 and it beats my i9 9900K/Z390 Asus Maximus XI Hero Wi-Fi at 5.2GHz with 64GB of DDR4 3600 in transcoding and barely gets warm doing it. Less than half the clock speed but almost 3X the cores.
 
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You don't need to get a new version of Windows, it will download automatically. Just do a fresh install on that new SSD you found.

For 300, go 4x4 ram for quad channel (you don't even need to find super fast memory, 1600 quad channel will be ok), and scrounge ebay/local parts boards for a xeon 1650 or 1680
 
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Hey, on the upside the cryptocoin market is crashing hardcore. So tech prices are about to drop like a stone...

So GPU prices are likely to come down a lot very soon.
 
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What caused this crash? or was it just due?
 
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Make sure to do a clean install of windows on your new SSD. How much would 4X2GB be on your local Kijiji? (Kijiji is much more popular than craigslist in eastern Canada)
 
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Make sure to do a clean install of windows on your new SSD. How much would 4X2GB be on your local Kijiji? (Kijiji is much more popular than craigslist in eastern Canada)
I just looked up going prices, the OP should be able to get $35 to $45CND for his 4x2GB.
 
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I recently (April) got 2 x 4GB Micron Crucial DDR3 used on ebay for $25 with shipping and tax, but remain of the opinion that what he has may be enough.
 
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I recently (April) got 2 x 4GB Micron Crucial used on ebay for $25 with shipping and tax, but remain of the opinion that what he has may be enough.
8GB is a good base. 16GB would just be a good boost for a bit of future-proofing. I personally think the CPU upgrade is more important. A Xeon E5-1650V2 or E5-1660V2 would be a good sweet-spot in performance boost VS cost.
 
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He told us late in the game that a USB port was broken... this sort of changes things a bit for me.
 
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