PNY RTX 4070 Ti XLR8 OC - New worse BIOS/version?

[Alpha Aquilae]

By now, the PNY 4080 XLR8 is also affected. Got one last week and returned it this week, because fan speed cannot be reduced below 1450 rpm, as with the 4070 tis and 4090s described here. Unlike most of the users in this forum, I do consider these fan speeds unpleasantly noisy, since I have a silent build. From my experience with MSI-cards, the difference between 1200 rpm (as the card was supposed to have under load) and said 1450 rmp is significant and makes this card imho useless for silent builds. The card had no fan stop in idle either, but PNY support assured me that this can be fixed. Minimum fan speed can definitely not be reduced below 1450, I was assured of this by PNY support. "Thermal optimization" was the thing that they called it.
For me, getting MSI-like noise levels for somewhat less than MSI itself demands for its cards was the point of this card. Since in my region you can get other 4080s for less (Inno3D or KFA2) than this PNY, I do not really understand what kind of market niche PNY is trying to occupy now that its exceptional noise levels are gone. Neither do I get the reason for this change, from what I found on the internet, the cards were doing just fine on the slower fan speeds up to now.

In the end you will probably laugh, but since I updated the bios like the technique indicated here, I very rarely have an abnormal bug (which no one complains about, it's funny, anyway almost no one have this card, so that doesn't surprise me too much)
For me, it runs well at 1000rpm after the bios update and I also have 0 fan speed.
But I don't care, it's abnormal to pay so much and have to do a bios update for a problem like that.
So, you can go back and see the examples that I put above in this disscusion but I very rarely have a bug where the display goes black for a few seconds and gives me an ultra blurry/pixelated display, too weird, I had never had this and the other parts of my PC have not changed, only the graphics card and I have never had this problem with two 4070 from Asus and also a 3070 also from Asus, so I conclude that it is indeed the card.
I will resend this card back tomorrow, i can't take a card that give me a bug like that at random times, it happened to me once in competitive Ranked on Apex Legends, imagine that shit..., for the noise and the coil whine in fact I was quite satisfied with it but i still can't say that i trust this "brand"...never again PNY anymore for me.

 

[OliverQueen]

I've reached out to PNY and notified them of this thread.

They are willing to provide an updated vBIOS with the original fan speed to all users. Just contact them using the website's support form.

Can you also ask them for a VBIOS that allows Resizable BAR on their XLR8 3080ti Uprising cards? They keep telling me that they have no intentions of releasing one (even though they have released VBIOS updates for this for their non-ti 30xx cards). All the other AIB manufacturers seem to have no issues releasing updated VBIOS' for their 30xxti cards apart from PNY. If the card already worked with ReBAR straight out of the box then it wouldn't be an issue, but PNY stated that it doesn't to me in emails.

 

[samhayne]

How is the situation on PNY’s 4090s?
Same situation? Fans too starting at 1450RPM there instead of 1000RPM?
Is there a BIOS too to “fix” it?

Does anyone know?


Had a PNY 4090 Verto Triple Fan (super-quiet) which unfortunately broke after two weeks.
Still hoping to get my hands on one again if they ever get available/affordable again here in Germany.
But this change in RPMs makes the situation even more complicated.

 

[fazie_90]

Hi, I asked PNY support for the previous BIOS.
They provided one. I've been using these bios for a few months now. I didn't notice any problems with the BIOS.
I uploaded the BIOS directly from my card using TechPowerUp GPU tool.
Please see a link to the BIOS below.

PNY RTX 4090 VBIOS

24 GB GDDR6X, 2235 MHz GPU, 1313 MHz Memory

www.techpowerup.com

 

[samhayne]

@fazie_90 Which card do you own?
A Verto Triple Fan or an XLR8 (OC/Revel)?

 

[fazie_90]

XLR8 non-0C

 

[yuerakuten]

Can these cards fan be manually controlled via software like MSI afterburner to less than 30% after the vbios update?

Or, can it be fixed at 0%? Not talking about fan stop, talking about fixing the fan at 0% even if I'm playing cyberpunk at 8k.

I'm not sure if all cards are the same, but the fanstop on my Galax 3080 works by wattage usage instead of temperature. It means that if I open a youtube video, or open a heavy website, the fans starts running and stopping, and running.... Which is really annoying. Manually setting the performance state on Nvidia Inspector - Multi Display Power Saver solves the issues, but nothing is automated so I would rather not keep using this.

 

[JBurt]

Hi, I asked PNY support for the previous BIOS.
They provided one. I've been using these bios for a few months now. I didn't notice any problems with the BIOS.
I uploaded the BIOS directly from my card using TechPowerUp GPU tool.
Please see a link to the BIOS below.

PNY RTX 4090 VBIOS

24 GB GDDR6X, 2235 MHz GPU, 1313 MHz Memory

www.techpowerup.com

I have a 4090 xlr8 but its the OC version. I contacted PNY for the previous bios but they replied saying "not available to give to customers". But I'm wondering if I could use this one you uploaded...

 

[JBurt]

I have a 4090 xlr8 but its the OC version. I contacted PNY for the previous bios but they replied saying "not available to give to customers". But I'm wondering if I could use this one you uploaded...

For anyone curious, I flashed the non OC bios and it's working great. My 4090 is inaudible now with the fans spinning at 1000rpm rather than 1450rpm.

 

[W1zzard]

Can these cards fan be manually controlled via software like MSI afterburner to less than 30% after the vbios update?

This isn't possible on any modern NVIDIA card. The limit is 30% on all of them as far as I know

 

[Banjo]

I just received a 4080 SUPER 16G XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB OC and I confirm that the limit is still 30% at 1450 rpm
Is it possible to flash the bios with a silent one or from a different vendor ? I would be force to send back the card if not and take an another card like the MSI suprim x. That's a shame because my card doesn't have any coil whine. Why did you do this PNY, why

 

[JRR]

Hi, ive been digging into all of this and it seems to also afect the rtx 4070 ti SUPER xlr8. If i ask support will they give me a bios update?

 

[Reverse17]

@JRR
I have no idea how PNY will approach this with the new SUPER versions since they have had 1450RPM from the first day of sale, contact PNY:

PNY Support - NVIDIA Graphics, Networking, Memory

Product support for NVIDIA graphics cards, solid state drives, pc components, gaming solutions, flash memory cards, USB drives, for consumer & professional use

www.pny.com

e-mail: tech-sup@pny.eu

 

[Banjo]

I flashed the bios with a msi 4080 super suprim x one and it works perfectly, fans begins at 850 rpm and are very silent. I would like a proper PNY bios though ....

 

[JRR]

I flashed the bios with a msi 4080 super suprim x one and it works perfectly, fans begins at 850 rpm and are very silent. I would like a proper PNY bios though ....

Are there downsides to having an msi bios? Could something similar be done with a 4070 ti super xlr8 from pny?

 

[Einkoro]

Are there downsides to having an msi bios? Could something similar be done with a 4070 ti super xlr8 from pny?

Potentially. Doesn't look like there is a 4070 ti super suprim x to try though.

I’ve tried several so far and the results for the minimum 30% fan speed are:

Asus strix quiet: 1345rpm
Asus tuf quiet: 1345rpm
Gainward pheonix oc: 1150rpm
Colorful Vulcan oc (default): 1325rpm
MSI ventus 3x: 1100rpm
Palit jetstream oc: 1150rpm
Zotac trinity: 1150rpm

They seemed to remain around 30-33% with furmark 2 reaching equilibrium so the curves don’t seem all that aggressive beyond simply starting way too high for my liking coming from a 3080 tuf. In my fractal torrent with the stock fans at 22% the temperature difference between them was very minimal. 51-60c range under load with the lower rpm bioses generally 56-60c.

Performance across port royal and time spy extreme vs stock pny bios are probably within run to run variances more than anything as average clocks are fairly similar and the differences are within 1fps. Scores bounced around 50-300 from stock. Both ASUS ones disabled one DisplayPort output but I didn’t test the HDMI outputs.

The Gainward Phoenix OC or MSI ventus 3x seem like the best options so far. On paper the boost clock of the gainward is slightly higher but I didn’t notice much of any relevant difference. You can also use afterburner to increase the power limit to 300w if that’s of any value to you but didn’t really amount to much.

If anyone can provide a dump of the latest MSI 4070ti super ventus 3x OC’s silent vbios I’d like to give that a go. I believe that’s 95.03.45.40.EF? January 24th release.

If anyone gets a response from PNY about the supers I’d love to know. I sent a ticket but I don’t expect anything being a new SKU without an older bios like the non-supers.

 

[JRR]

Potentially. Doesn't look like there is a 4070 ti super suprim x to try though.

I’ve tried several so far and the results for the minimum 30% fan speed are:

Asus strix quiet: 1345rpm
Asus tuf quiet: 1345rpm
Gainward pheonix oc: 1150rpm
Colorful Vulcan oc (default): 1325rpm
MSI ventus 3x: 1100rpm
Palit jetstream oc: 1150rpm
Zotac trinity: 1150rpm

They seemed to remain around 30-33% with furmark 2 reaching equilibrium so the curves don’t seem all that aggressive beyond simply starting way too high for my liking coming from a 3080 tuf. In my fractal torrent with the stock fans at 22% the temperature difference between them was very minimal. 51-60c range under load with the lower rpm bioses generally 56-60c.

Performance across port royal and time spy extreme vs stock pny bios are probably within run to run variances more than anything as average clocks are fairly similar and the differences are within 1fps. Scores bounced around 50-300 from stock. Both ASUS ones disabled one DisplayPort output but I didn’t test the HDMI outputs.

The Gainward Phoenix OC or MSI ventus 3x seem like the best options so far. On paper the boost clock of the gainward is slightly higher but I didn’t notice much of any relevant difference. You can also use afterburner to increase the power limit to 300w if that’s of any value to you but didn’t really amount to much.

If anyone can provide a dump of the latest MSI 4070ti super ventus 3x OC’s silent vbios I’d like to give that a go. I believe that’s 95.03.45.40.EF? January 24th release.

If anyone gets a response from PNY about the supers I’d love to know. I sent a ticket but I don’t expect anything being a new SKU without an older bios like the non-supers.

Thanks a lot. I have a few questions on this.
1) What happens to the rgb? Its not like its life or death as long as it doesent glitch/stays off i dont mind.
2) Im guessing u r flashing by unlocking bios then flashing with the nvidia app, can u lock the bios afterwards?
3) Why not stick with the msi bios? For me hdmi is mad important cause of one of my screens, but im guessing it works... Btw how does msi affect rgb, again i just dont want it glitching, as long as its off i dont care.
And about the bios u requested, i found the file on msi page if thats what u wanted? Il link it here: https://es.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-4070-Ti-SUPER-16G-VENTUS-3X-OC/support

 

[Einkoro]

Thanks a lot. I have a few questions on this.
1) What happens to the rgb? Its not like its life or death as long as it doesent glitch/stays off i dont mind.
2) Im guessing u r flashing by unlocking bios then flashing with the nvidia app, can u lock the bios afterwards?
3) Why not stick with the msi bios? For me hdmi is mad important cause of one of my screens, but im guessing it works... Btw how does msi affect rgb, again i just dont want it glitching, as long as its off i dont care.
And about the bios u requested, i found the file on msi page if thats what u wanted? Il link it here: https://es.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-4070-Ti-SUPER-16G-VENTUS-3X-OC/support

1) looks like rgb control is lost in velocity x. The tab along the top for it doesn’t appear. RGB on the card itself just stays on. If not being able to turn rgb off is a deal breaker I’d return it and get another card.

2) flashed with nvflashk -6 and you can turn the epprom protection back on after.

3) I’d assume HDMI works just because the boards all use the same reference layout and outputs from what I can see in the photos. The only ones that differed and disabled one DisplayPort were the asus bioses.

I’d probably stick with the MSI bios if it was the latest from the ventus x3 oc as it’s a closer match to the PNY clocks but yeah probably doesn’t matter a lot. Could always just afterburner and push the clocks a bit to match the PNY bios if it was a big deal. I kinda like the extra PL boost on the gainward and 50rpm isn’t a difference I could hear though.

I took a look at that update utility but I didn’t see a way to extract the rom from it. The version of nvflash embedded in it won’t flash since the IDs don’t match the ventus x3 oc.

I’m really split on if I should just try and return the card or live with either the MSI or gainward bios on it. Unfortunately bought it from Best Buy Canada and they won’t take opened computer parts back unless it’s defective. Definitely wouldn’t shop there again. I regret not forking out the extra on the xlr8 4080 they still have but it felt bad not being discounted to match the 4080 supers but at least I could run the older PNY bios on it.

 

[Einkoro]

@JRR You can actually disable the RGB. The trick is to do it while on the stock vBIOS and then flash. It remains off but you can’t make any adjustments in Velocity X. So that and the MSI vBIOS might do it for you.

I noticed the review of the other PNY Verto OC has a much lower initial speed around 650-800 (hard to tell squinting at the chart) so I gave that vBIOS a try but sadly it is 1325rpm @ 30% for me.

 

[JRR]

@JRR You can actually disable the RGB. The trick is to do it while on the stock vBIOS and then flash. It remains off but you can’t make any adjustments in Velocity X. So that and the MSI vBIOS might do it for you.

I noticed the review of the other PNY Verto OC has a much lower initial speed around 650-800 (hard to tell squinting at the chart) so I gave that vBIOS a try but sadly it is 1325rpm @ 30% for me.

So basically i have to turn off the rgb then flash msi bios and as u said i can then lock the bios again and have the rgb off? Maybe an rgb app could use it? Who knows off is fine. Although do all efects just stay if u leave them on, like say i leave an effect, will it remain afterwards? And finally (sorry for all the questions) does it have 0 rpm? Im guessing it does cause all nvidia 4070 ti supers do

 

[Einkoro]

So basically i have to turn off the rgb then flash msi bios and as u said i can then lock the bios again and have the rgb off? Maybe an rgb app could use it? Who knows off is fine. Although do all efects just stay if u leave them on, like say i leave an effect, will it remain afterwards? And finally (sorry for all the questions) does it have 0 rpm? Im guessing it does cause all nvidia 4070 ti supers do

I would assume the effects would remain as it remembers on or off but I didn’t try that. Doubtful an app would do it if velocity X no longer sees it. I suppose you could disconnect the header from the pcb and connect it to something else for control though. It does have zero rpm.

 

[JRR]

Well if i try to do this, il let u know how it went
btw where did u get the msi bios from?
and which one? they recently updated them

 

[Evoportalz]

Just purchased the PNY 4070 Ti Super 16GB XLR8 Gaming Verto Epic-X RGB OC

• Fan speed at 30% is 1450rpm. Really annoying. BIOS 95.03.45.40.AF
• Fan control is not fully supported by MSI AfterBurner, you can't stop the fans unless you use PNY's crappy proprietary software Velocity X and Fan Stop option is ONLY available when the fans are set to Auto, does not work with user-defined settings even with Velocity X. The software even states so. It's not a "bug" according to PNY but IMO bad\lazy engineering.
• Also noticed that the VRM cooling is not great. For such a massive heat sink they only let 4 super thin fins touch the MOSFETS and without even a metal base plate. Really bad engineering design. Igor's lab shows quite high VRM temps of 82c measured from the BACK of the card his torture test (not normal gaming keep in mind). A thermal pad on the backplate can fix this though.

So I opened a case with PNY and it's been sent to their engineering dept. Still have 3 weeks before I have to return it. If they don't provide a fix I'm def returning it. It's too bad, my card has virtually no coil whine even under max load.

 

[JRR]

Just purchased the PNY 4070 Ti Super 16GB XLR8 Gaming Verto Epic-X RGB OC

• Fan speed at 30% is 1450rpm. Really annoying. BIOS 95.03.45.40.AF
• Fan control is not fully supported by MSI AfterBurner, you can't stop the fans unless you use PNY's crappy proprietary software Velocity X and Fan Stop option is ONLY available when the fans are set to Auto, does not work with user-defined settings even with Velocity X. The software even states so. It's not a "bug" according to PNY but IMO bad\lazy engineering.
• Also noticed that the VRM cooling is not great. For such a massive heat sink they only let 4 super thin fins touch the MOSFETS and without even a metal base plate. Really bad engineering design. Igor's lab shows quite high VRM temps of 82c measured from the BACK of the card his torture test (not normal gaming keep in mind). A thermal pad on the backplate can fix this though.

So I opened a case with PNY and it's been sent to their engineering dept. Still have 3 weeks before I have to return it. If they don't provide a fix I'm def returning it. It's too bad, my card has virtually no coil whine even under max load.

Thanks for the info. Please if u get any updates let us know. Good luck hopefully theyll send u a better bios.

 

[zetorson]

Just purchased the PNY 4070 Ti Super 16GB XLR8 Gaming Verto Epic-X RGB OC

• Fan speed at 30% is 1450rpm. Really annoying. BIOS 95.03.45.40.AF
• Fan control is not fully supported by MSI AfterBurner, you can't stop the fans unless you use PNY's crappy proprietary software Velocity X and Fan Stop option is ONLY available when the fans are set to Auto, does not work with user-defined settings even with Velocity X. The software even states so. It's not a "bug" according to PNY but IMO bad\lazy engineering.
• Also noticed that the VRM cooling is not great. For such a massive heat sink they only let 4 super thin fins touch the MOSFETS and without even a metal base plate. Really bad engineering design. Igor's lab shows quite high VRM temps of 82c measured from the BACK of the card his torture test (not normal gaming keep in mind). A thermal pad on the backplate can fix this though.

So I opened a case with PNY and it's been sent to their engineering dept. Still have 3 weeks before I have to return it. If they don't provide a fix I'm def returning it. It's too bad, my card has virtually no coil whine even under max load.

In MSI Afterburner, in settings/fan, select "Override zero fan speed with hardware curve" and the fans will stop at low load. No other software is needed.