RX 7900 XTX reference at possible vapor chamber design problem + very high hot spot (110c)

[AusWolf]

Jesus man what have you drunk in new years eve, you have to RECALL, them all. Then it depends on how many people send back, but thousands surely

Source? One single extreme overclocking channel is somehow not enough, imo. I find it strange that even Gamer's Nexus hasn't jumped on the topic, yet.

 

[Bomby569]

Right so der8aur said recall them all.

And.


Based on what.


His excited ass because if there's a actual issue worthy of that which at this point I think is a stretch.

If it's as big an issue as der8aur says USERS will be along to back his claim or.

Clicks.

Gotta catch em all.

I Don't drink and I don't appreciate bringing God into the convo.

he said RECALL, that is usually all, that's where the number probably come from. That's his opinion, i actually agree. You asked i gave my view.

you may disagree, you really can't deny to understand

 

[Dristun]

they should just de-fund the marketing department and put more money into their QC department.

All they done lately is posting bantz on twitter, I'm not sure they have one in the first place. Not like others are much better, of course, it's a hardware thing in general. I always wondered why nobody does christmas ads targeted at parents who buy their kids stuff for christmas, for example. Surely AMD could've swayed some parents with a nice ad, even if those parents don't understand anything about videocards.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Source? One single extreme overclocking channel is somehow not enough, imo. I find it strange that even Gamer's Nexus hasn't jumped on the topic, yet.

One guy said it.

One guy made 3 cards do it.

Recall the world, wind it back, Dave said so.

@Bomby569 you agree, so you have a card or know someone who has this issue?

Because I don't agree or disagree.

I do want more info.

But you know so what do you know, based on what have you used a 7900XTX

 

[Falck]

@TheoneandonlyMrK & @AusWolf , I would say der8auer did some nice work. Not like he OCed the cards, then cried wolf because temps. He did them stock in different positions, with different pressures etc. Keeping one card "untouched" also.

 

[AusWolf]

@TheoneandonlyMrK & @AusWolf , I would say der8auer did some nice work. Not like he OCed the cards, then cried wolf because temps. He did them stock in different positions, with different pressures etc. Keeping one card "utouched" also.

Interesting.

If there are mass refunds, then other, more mainstream news agencies will pick this up as well. Until then, I'll consider it what we call "anecdotal evidence".

 

[Falck]

One guy said it.

One guy made 3 cards do it.

Recall the world, wind it back, Dave said so.

"We're" more people who bought MBA if you bother to check forums, that experience these problems. What der8auer tries is to locate the problem and if we as end-users could rectify them or if AMD needs to rectify the problem.

His conclusion is still valid, there seems to be a vapourchamber issue.

 

[Dristun]

One guy said it.

One guy made 3 cards do it.

Recall the world, wind it back, Dave said so.

He said he had 40-something people with the problem in his emails and bought the cards he had from four of them. And that's with Derbauers limited reach. I don't think it's a big stretch to say it might be thousands if AMD shipped a few hundred thousands. That would leave the rate of failure at less than one percent, and AMD should just offer RMA to everyone who has the issue - if someone doesn't need bad PR it's them.

 

[Falck]

@AusWolf , of course you can call it anecdotal. But I have confidence in his work beeing objective. And it's not like his samplesize is 1.

I myself have tried what he's been trying with my card. But I have a sample size of 1. I was wishing there was a BIOS fault that had been rectified in newer versions since my cards BIOS is older than what's been upladed in GPU database here.

 

[AusWolf]

"We're" more people who bought MBA if you bother to check forums, that experience these problems. What der8auer tries is to locate the problem and if we as end-users could rectify them or if AMD needs to rectify the problem.

He's conclusion is still valid, there seems to be a vapourchamber issue.

That's his conclusion.

It reminds me of my conclusion that the MSi A520M Pro motherboard is a piece of crap, because I had to RMA two of them at one time (the replacement was faulty as well).

Like I said, anecdotal evidence.

 

[Falck]

@AusWolf , when is it not anecdotal?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

"We're" more people who bought MBA if you bother to check forums, that experience these problems. What der8auer tries is to locate the problem and if we as end-users could rectify them or if AMD needs to rectify the problem.

He's conclusion is still valid, there seems to be a vapourchamber issue.

He tested a small amount, he isn't able to test thousands, as I said I will await further information.

Because one guy testing 3 cards isn't enough to justify a recall IMHO but as I said if this is actually a massive issue, then it Will show itself to be, right here on Tpu and in other news releases.

Several million say the earth's flat FFS.

So one guy's word doesn't move mountains for me.

 

[AusWolf]

@AusWolf , when is it not anecdotal?

When we see mass RMA requests which gets picked up by other, more mainstream news agencies. Or when AMD does a recall.

 

[Falck]

@TheoneandonlyMrK , will you apologize if der8auer is proved right?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

He said he had 40-something people with the problem in his emails and bought the cards he had from four of them. And that's with Derbauers limited reach. I don't think it's a big stretch to say it might be thousands if AMD shipped a few hundred thousands. That would leave the rate of failure at less than one percent, and AMD should just offer RMA to everyone who has the issue - if someone doesn't need bad PR it's them.

That's even more click bait retarded then, he bought three cards with known issues then extrapolated to the f#@£ing moon.

As a time served 15 years test engineer that's just f£#@£& dumb.

That's so funny.

And the click bsitery is revealed.

@Falck Why would I apologize for doubting some guy are you his mum, wtaf are you on about anyway I hold a different opinion will I fuck apologize for thinking like a reasoned time served test engineer, no.

@Dristun at least you put Might in there

 

[Falck]

@AusWolf so, for @TheoneandonlyMrK he wants TPU and other news outlets to pick ut up, that's enough for him, but you need the company itself to officially acknowledge the problem.

But what are we arguing @AusWolf and @TheoneandonlyMrK?

der8auer?

Or the tempdelta a lot of users are experiencing?

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Based on what

I assume from his desire to profit from the situation. How exactly he intends to win is a matter of conjecture. Maybe he will offer his proprietary cooling to replace the "defective" ones? Deliding tools? Or he'll run ads on his web pages that feature relevant cooler models from well-known brands, and naturally, clicking through the person's pages to buy will bring him revenue. There may even be a "promo" code :der8auer: that will "give" a percentage "off" the tag price. Hee hee hee! I can guess a lot, with this wild imagination of mine.

 

[AusWolf]

He said he had 40-something people with the problem in his emails and bought the cards he had from four of them.

So basically, out of a sample size of 4 faulty cards, all 4 turned out to be faulty. Genius!

@AusWolf so, for @TheoneandonlyMrK he wants TPU and other news outlets to pick ut up, that's enough for him, but you need the company itself to officially acknowledge the problem.

But what are we arguing @AusWolf and @TheoneandonlyMrK?

der8auer?

Or the tempdelta a lot of users are experiencing?

Just because he has some faulty cards in his possession, it doesn't mean that TPU has to report on a wide-scale problem. Like you said, the problem has to be acknowledged first.

Personally, I'm arguing that one person's anecdotal evidence isn't enough for a mass recall.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

@AusWolf so, for @TheoneandonlyMrK he wants TPU and other news outlets to pick ut up, that's enough for him, but you need the company itself to officially acknowledge the problem.

But what are we arguing @AusWolf and @TheoneandonlyMrK?

der8auer?

Or the tempdelta a lot of users are experiencing?

The scale, and the conclusion.

Are both debatable at this point IMHO

Der8aur is being drammatic IMHO.

 

[sephiroth117]

Source? One single extreme overclocking channel is somehow not enough, imo. I find it strange that even Gamer's Nexus hasn't jumped on the topic, yet.

Because Gamer Nexus take their time to make their own analysis.
In Der8auer defense so did he, but GN is probably in the lab right now analysing this rather than rehashing info from other sources.
You don't get that much of respect by making rushed claims.


Tbh,

• Reviewers didn't pick this issue, a general widespread conception issue would have been easily picked during the review phase, just like the 12vhpwr connectors: Revierwer being familiar with cables connection, fully seated the cables during the reviews.
• We don't know at all the actual scale. Keep in mind, AMD has probably manufactured 30-40K reference design and there are hundred thousands AIB, from what I read.
  • Just like 12vhpwr that affected around 50 cases...Nvidia sold 100K+ 4090.
  • Vapour chambers require precise manufacturing, sealing, QC control, it's easy for few batches to fail indeed but that doesn't necessarily mean a massive recall

As always, patience and analysis. Learn from the 4090 16-pin that required 0 recalls, only people seating cables meticulously.

 

[AusWolf]

I'll just drop this here as food for thought:

 

[Dristun]

So basically, out of a sample size of 4 faulty cards, all 4 turned out to be faulty. Genius!

@Dristun at least you put Might in there

What I'm trying to say is (pure conjecture):
1) say, a 1000 of Derbauers subs bough the card and 40 of them responded that they experienced 110C
2) AMD and partners shipped hundreds of thousands of reference models.
3) It's not completely outside of reason at this point to say that it could be a few thousand bad cards total out there

The stat we're missing really is how many of his subs that have the card have no issues, he should have included it. Still, AMD should just replace the cards, even if 110C is within spec the "faulty" still spin up the fans harder than the "normal" ones and select few even throttle. Premium service for premium products. Same goes for Nvidia, I'm not sure if they got around to replacing the burnt 4090s.

 

[Falck]

@AusWolf , well I for one experiences the same problems. Massive delta in temps and throttling. My card is mountet in a ssupd meshlicious, so that orientation doesn't work either. I've even tried tilting the case to get the GPU vertical and that didn't either help.

Someone posted on reddit that if your DP cable has the pin 20 connected, that too could possible be a culprit somehow. I'll test it later.

@TheoneandonlyMrK , well, there's no law against drawing conclusions based on your own research, ref. your flat earth. The reason for me stating that is that in my experience there's a lot of people bashing other peoples hard work for no apparent reason. And then wehn they're proven right there's no retribution or humility from the people who are overly negative. It's to fucking easy being negative. Everyone forgets the bashing, and the troll keeps bashing others and others work. I'm sick of it.

I'm *not* saying we should all praise what der8auer does, ofc not. But have respect for the effort people put in this type of work. If it weren't for those people then most defiantly the companies would get away with a lot more shit than they already do.

 

[AusWolf]

What I'm trying to say is (pure conjecture):
1) say, a 1000 of Derbauers subs bough the card and 40 of them responded that they experienced 110C
2) AMD and partners shipped hundreds of thousands of reference models.
3) It's not completely outside of reason at this point to say that it could be a few thousand bad cards total out there

The stat we're missing really is how many of his subs that have the card have no issues, he should have included it. Still, AMD should just replace the cards, even if 110C is within spec the "faulty" still spin up the fans harder than the "normal" ones and select few even throttle. Premium service for premium products. Same goes for Nvidia, I'm not sure if they got around to replacing the burnt 4090s.

You're right, it's not outside of reason to speculate based on the insufficient amount of information we have at this point.

But as long as speculation is the best we can do, it's also not outside of reason to wait for something solid before jumping to conclusions.

I'm *not* saying we should all praise what der8auer does, ofc not. But have respect for the effort people put in this type of work. If it weren't for those people then most defiantly the companies would get away with a lot more shit than they already do.

That I agree with. All I'm saying is that whatever he does isn't hard evidence of anything (especially if he purposefully buys faulty cards). The issue has to be properly investigated.

 

[Veseleil]

Just the video title itself is so clickbaity, it's hilarious. I've watched the previous one and I wish I could have my time back. Not this time hooker lover boy, not this time. These kind of youtubers are boring af, streching simple topics to get YT revenue. Stop feeding children to the dragons, and wait for reputable sources. Newest GPU related topics are a cancer anyway.