RyZen 3000 Boost Issue: What's your take?

[xtreemchaos]

this could be clutching a straws but it merits consideration in my view.

we all know how to apply paste but the point about heat pipes and chip layout I found worth a look.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I have more than one system. In addition to the primary one with i5 I have an internet box with B450/2400G and a test box with B350/3600X.
3600X is on an Gigabyte GA-AB350N Gaming WIFI with the latest BIOS - F42a (AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABB).

That's you out the "It wont do max boost pot" then, since a bottom of the barrel 1st generation board not maxing a third generation chip, that its lucky it had a bios update to even run(given the rom size limits) is expected not extraordinary, shit what did they make x570 for when a 350 can do it all.

I wonder how many are like you in this poll, hoping for a unicorn while holding a donkey.

your argument diminishes the REAL issues others are experiencing.

@xtreemchaos I did try to point some to that vid indirectly but to most it deffinately isnt heat?? shame because that vid took 100+ CPU reseats to make and warrants more thought IMHO.

 

[xtreemchaos]

I am not getting my 3000 chip until after Christmas but have a interest in sorting out as many problems before I get, its not very often I do forward thinking it makes my brain hurt .

 

[londiste]

@theoneandonlymrk are you saying that AMD and AM4 big argument about compatibility is complete bullshit then?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I am not getting my 3000 chip until after Christmas but have a interest in sorting out as many problems before I get, its not very often I do forward thinking it makes my brain hurt .

Im sat on the edge of my seat , screwdriver in hand waiting for delivery of my chip, coooome oooooon dpd u gits, it left at 9am 9 miles away.

@londiste Are you seriously saying that the fact that it works to a degree in that board is not enough, should they have prepped your 350 for a possible 24-32 core in 2020-21 with 12-16 phases?.

legacy compatibility does not equal MAX BOOST compatibility, your shit does'nt support XFR or PBO is that also AMD'S fault for not pre imagining those features, your stretching what compatibility means by far.

and if you are willing to spend such a lofty amount on a board 2 generations older then the chip, I expect the same lower entry range CPU cooler or stock and a case with average cooling performance too.

Not ideal Boost scenario material in the real world.

 

[tiggywombat]

I bought a Ryzen 5 3600 last week, paired with a Gigabyte B450M-S2H.

Left it at stock settings since overclocking seems to have little gain. During light loads, it boosts to 4145Mhz (never seen 4.2Ghz!!) and an all core stress test sees the CPU hovering around 3.9Ghz, my temperature was 75-80C, using a CM Hyper 212 cooler + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. My ambient temps are pretty high at about 30C as I live in a hot, humid country.

Can't imagine what load temps would be during stress tests with the stock Wraith stealth cooler...

 

[HD64G]

I bought a Ryzen 5 3600 last week, paired with a Gigabyte B450M-S2H.

Left it at stock settings since overclocking seems to have little gain. During light loads, it boosts to 4145Mhz (never seen 4.2Ghz!!) and an all core stress test sees the CPU hovering around 3.9Ghz, my temperature was 75-80C, using a CM Hyper 212 cooler + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. My ambient temps are pretty high at about 30C as I live in a hot, humid country.

Can't imagine what load temps would be during stress tests with the stock Wraith stealth cooler...

Your boost isn't 4.2GHz just because of the ambient temps. Many here suggested that due to the very warm temps in the northern hemisphere, the ambient temps being very high affect that thing too. And in Gamers Nexus video with LN2 experimental OC, the Ryzen 3000 CPU continued increasing its clock in default settings close to 5GHz when temps were low enough. So, the most possible thing is that most who now see lower than the suggested clocks for single-thread loads will see more than the suggested ones in 2-3 months once the ambient temps go down by 10-15C. And to the rest who don't have high ambient temps, newer AGESA code will solve it in this month or the next one. I cannot see any problem at all to continue arguing with anyone.

 

[londiste]

@londiste Are you seriously saying that the fact that it works to a degree in that board is not enough, should they have prepped your 350 for a possible 24-32 core in 2020-21 with 12-16 phases?.

legacy compatibility does not equal MAX BOOST compatibility, your shit does'nt support XFR or PBO is that also AMD'S fault for not pre imagining those features, your stretching what compatibility means by far.

and if you are willing to spend such a lofty amount on a board 2 generations older then the chip, I expect the same lower entry range CPU cooler or stock and a case with average cooling performance too.

Not ideal Boost scenario material in the real world.

I am not saying that, AMD has been saying compatibility and it's already kind of an axiom in the Internet that AM4 is AM4.
The fact that it boosts less than spec is definitely not enough. AMD should have put a warning on box and perhaps website that max boost is only on X570. 200€ motherboard would have changed my value proposition considerably.

We are not talking about 24 or 32 cores here. We are talking about 6 cores. With TDP of 95W that is lower than fully supported 2nd generation Ryzen CPUs. I would say AMD's TDP shenanigans play a part here but given both results from reviews, internet and even this forum, 3600X tends to not reach 95W, much less higher.

Wraith Spire. It is a complete crap cooler and worthless for everyday use. For testing purposes it is running at full RPM or close to it. For single-core load CPU does not get over 60C and rarely even that high so temperatures should not be a problem.

No ideal Boost scenario material in the real world = false advertising. By definition.

 

[johnny-r]

These are growing pains, different chipsets on different motherboards and the bios, we all have different results currently, anybody else having MSI with B450 motherboard ? we can compare our results,

I had booting problems after restarting windows, could not get a post sometimes, after the 2nd MSI bios release for Ryzen 3000 compatibility I got my new PC going and 2 weeks ago after the 3rd release it started to work properly, this confirms that the manufactures are fine tuning bioses , there will be more releases, these CPU were launched less than 2 months ago, I know we all have lots of expectations, we need to be more patient.

 

[Vya Domus]

No ideal Boost scenario material in the real world = false advertising. By definition.

By definition ? Anything but that.

Boost scenarios are defined solely by ideal real life situations. That's the point, when things are not ideal you get the base clock. Everything is opportunistic and by no means deterministic when speaking about boost clocks.

And we should get this notion that boost clocks do not work already out of our heads. It works, otherwise every Ryzen 3000 CPU out there would run at it's base clock.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I am not saying that, AMD has been saying compatibility and it's already kind of an axiom in the Internet that AM4 is AM4.
The fact that it boosts less than spec is definitely not enough. AMD should have put a warning on box and perhaps website that max boost is only on X570. 200€ motherboard would have changed my value proposition considerably.

We are not talking about 24 or 32 cores here. We are talking about 6 cores. With TDP of 95W that is lower than fully supported 2nd generation Ryzen CPUs. I would say AMD's TDP shenanigans play a part here but given both results from reviews, internet and even this forum, 3600X tends to not reach 95W, much less higher.

Wraith Spire. It is a complete crap cooler and worthless for everyday use. For testing purposes it is running at full RPM or close to it. For single-core load CPU does not get over 60C and rarely even that high so temperatures should not be a problem.

No ideal Boost scenario material in the real world = false advertising. By definition.

I respect your opinion but heartily dissagree , have you been under a stone because the boost mechanics your complaining about have been about a fair few years , yet you don't get what they advertised even!

Base clock has for the last few years in cpus been The clock to largely expect in blue and red terms , the turbo clock on A core was introduced by intel then copied on ryzen one first by AMD , as far as i can see this tech and their definition of it is fair , your expectations are not.

we dissagree , might as well move on eh ,your not changing my mind with your perspective and kit, the lost swede and earthdog might but not you im affraid ,in my opinion your delusional with your expectations and a bad example to be talked about, 350 board and 3600 not boosting!.

 

[londiste]

So, in short you are saying that expecting Ryzen 3000 series CPU to boost to the boost clock on 300-series motherboard is delusional?
And I love the nudge about bottom of the barrel board. The reason I have this board is that this was in Raven Ridge reviewers kit and indeed was quite problem free at launch.

 

[Vya Domus]

There is no one single "boost clock", it's a range. You'll get something in that range with the maximum being written on the box.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So, in short you are saying that expecting Ryzen 3000 series CPU to boost to the boost clock on 300-series motherboard is delusional?

It's a long shot, I dont personally expect my X470 board to fully support every feature that my 3800X has(when it finally effin turns up) , and that's because I looked things up, so I wont be surprised when I don't get boost clocks at first boot or !PCIEX4!< the elephant in the room of your compatibility for boost on a 350 argument.

 

[Animalpak]

You guys are so blind of the fact that AMD chips are cheap to have and give high value/performance for your money.

Even the fan on the motherboards chipset says a lot about these CPUs. A fan that will make noise in a few years and will be filled with dust. As if we were in the early 2000s desktop tech...

 

[londiste]

There are features that distinguish chipsets.
X vs B is basically multi-GPU support and some extra IO - USB/SATA ports and IIRC couple extra chipset PCI-e lanes as well.
X570 has PCI-e 4.0 and faster USB ports

Precision Boost and XFR do not rely on chipset and have no requirements on chipset.
PBO does but that is overclocking and voids CPU warranty.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

There are features that distinguish chipsets.
X vs B is basically multi-GPU support and some extra IO - USB/SATA ports and IIRC couple extra chipset PCI-e lanes as well.
X570 has PCI-e 4.0 and faster USB ports

Yes and generations distinguish improvements made in the last year and fixes found for any issues that were discovered that get built in With new features.

 

[londiste]

Yes and generations distinguish improvements made in the last year and fixes found for any issues that were discovered that get built in With new features.

Isn't CPU support pretty much purely AGESA thing?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Isn't CPU support pretty much purely AGESA thing?

On AM4 that's a part of it but not the whole, your boards memory layout, southbridge ,pciex lane distribution and most importantly power regulation will vary greatly from later designs, such that support is solely up to and not usually guaranteed by the motherboard maker, Not AMD.

And as I said, and is apparent, support and compatibility , does not guarantee full feature use or stability , and no one afaik suggested that would ever be the case, you Are getting better performance then a 1600/2600 would achieve in the same board no?.

 

[londiste]

Clocks of CPU have nothing to do with memory layout, southbridge or PCI-e lane distribution.
Might have something to do with power regulation but how would one determine if power regulation is good enough?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Clocks of CPU have nothing to do with memory layout, southbridge or PCI-e lane distribution.
Might have something to do with power regulation but how would one determine if power regulation is good enough?

Im out , Im not here to convince you ,but start with reading the last 5 posts for a reply to that, that's where were now at , the merry go round.

boards and compatibilty are distinguished by ??

 

[londiste]

Just for the record, I completely disagree with your opinion that compatibility can mean lower clocks. And I hope the compatibility not guaranteeing stability was a typo.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Just for the record, I completely disagree with your opinion that compatibility can mean lower clocks. And I hope the compatibility not guaranteeing stability was a typo.

yet without PBO and Xfr you cant get the same clocks as x570 could theoretically with the same chip, your chip is managing to boost to that speed in your config, IMHO it's fine, and stability at the highest clock the manufacturer has marketed you will see will depend on more things then were designed into your board it is that simple, They Have for example more clearly defined the exact layout of the memory to board makers, instead of there being some variance, the layouts on later boards are the same, no T topology at all, memory stability is directly tied to infinity fabric stability too and less directly the cpu.

Your issue would likely be VRM related though IMHO to be clear.

 

[londiste]

XFR is a CPU feature, not motherboard or chipset one.
PBO is overclocking and voids warranty. PBO is intended to go past stock boost clock. Besides, my board does have PBO settings in the UEFI.

 

[TheLostSwede]

It's official, it's a firmware bug.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1168901636162539536