Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[lexluthermiester]

she just likes the 60C mark

Might just be the fan profile the board uses, not sure.

Something is not right. That is a not a good nominal operating temp.

 

[Mussels]

Something is not right. That is a not a good nominal operating temp.

its a load temp, not idle

 

[manofthem]

Just a little visual update on the 3900X build. Still messing with the lighting, but my kids chose the green for now; strange choice for an AMD build, I know. Some new fans just came in with some lighting capabilities that I've yet to install, maybe tomorrow.

With the DeepCool AIO the CPU is crunching at a steady average of about 55-56*C, with an occasional spike here or there. Not bad.

(about the AIO, the pump block combo is very big/tall, much bigger than any other AIO I used back in the day, but since it's pretty (to me) it's a doable sacrifice.)

 

[lexluthermiester]

its a load temp, not idle

Ah, ok I misunderstood. In that case 60C isn't bad. It's not great, but it could be worse.

 

[tabascosauz]

So lately I've been running into these "CPU bus/interconnect errors" showing up in HWInfo as WHEA errors. They are marked as "information", but aside from the obvious in the name there are a few reasons why I highly suspect the Infinity Fabric wasn't particularly happy at 1866MHz. I know that the Matisse IMC can do much better than this, so IF must be the weak link.

The only time they ever show up is during intense firefights in Insurgency Sandstorm, which by usual standards is not a very CPU-demanding game. Sometimes, nothing will happen and I'll find out later when I open up HWInfo again; other times, it'll completely freeze the game into a black screen, which Alt + Tab cannot save and I have no other way of getting out of unless I ⊞Win + Tab and move the game into its own desktop, then come back to my default desktop to kill the process with Task Manager.

All variations on my 3733 profile are doubly stable through long nights of HCI. When my DJR isn't happy, it'll freeze, throw testing errors and very quickly start corrupting my data, so this isn't that.

I tried throwing more VSOC at it up to 1.15V, but evidently the overclockers' wisdom is still true as going beyond 1.1V yields no stability benefits. More VDRAM and poking at various timings didn't help, obviously, as this isn't a memory issue. Same goes for procODT, setup and drive strengths, obviously.

It was only then that I realized that Asus seems to have some incredibly wack ideas as to what VDDP and VDDG (both of them) should be when default.

• VDDG was showing up at 1.1V, probably both of them because no reason they should be different stock. Considering that VSOC itself was at 1.1V, this didn't seem to make sense. I did rifle through some old Matisse know-how and Stilt speculated that VDDG should trail VSOC by at least 0.04V as it piggybacks off VSOC. Ended up chopping 0.05V off both of them.
• VDDP was low at 0.9V. 1usmus seems to think it's still well within acceptable range, but looking around 0.950V seems to be a good place to be. VDDP is the one that can be increased to help support higher speeds.

I had never really thought about the minor rails much, as I can never remember which one is which. If errors persist, will probably bump VDDP up further to maybe 1.0V or reduce I/O VDDG a little bit. I really don't want to give up here, because from 3600 to 3733 is a 5-second gain in Membench and exactly 2.0ns in AIDA while going further to 3800 is just 1-2 seconds and 0.5ns.

Didn't manage to trip any errors today, but I gotta wait at least a couple of days before passing any judgment on this whole thing. It is, though, as good a reminder as any that if you're pushing the IF beyond 1800MHz, check HWInfo now and then for WHEA errors, and check your secondary voltages.

 

[Mussels]

removed all the bloat software from my system.

Using SIV for corsair hardware control (saving settings to my commander pro for lights+fans), of all things the razer synapse software is actually light on bloat.

 

[pantherx12]

removed all the bloat software from my system.

Using SIV for corsair hardware control (saving settings to my commander pro for lights+fans), of all things the razer synapse software is actually light on bloat.

Did you try changing priority of cinebench first before removing your bloat?

I've noticed as default it runs below normal priority and has to be set manually each time it's loaded.

Sorry if it seems a silly question but easy to overlook.

 

[Mussels]

Did you try changing priority of cinebench first before removing your bloat?

I've noticed as default it runs below normal priority and has to be set manually each time it's loaded.

Sorry if it seems a silly question but easy to overlook.

I want that improved performance for games too, not just CB

 

[tabascosauz]

So lately I've been running into these "CPU bus/interconnect errors" showing up in HWInfo as WHEA errors. They are marked as "information", but aside from the obvious in the name there are a few reasons why I highly suspect the Infinity Fabric wasn't particularly happy at 1866MHz. I know that the Matisse IMC can do much better than this, so IF must be the weak link.

It is, though, as good a reminder as any that if you're pushing the IF beyond 1800MHz, check HWInfo now and then for WHEA errors, and check your secondary voltages.

So it turns out that either VDDP or VDDG was the issue after all, and 3733MT/s shouldn't need beyond 1.10V SOC. Settings are now 1.1V SOC, 1.05V VDDG CCD (down from 1.1V), 1.03V VDDG IOD (down from 1.1V), and 1.0V VDDP (up from 0.9V).

Also ran into a single memory error while running overnight so I upped DRAM another 0.01V to 1.39V. No problems running HCI overnight now.

Can't reproduce any Infinity Fabric errors now, hard as I have been trying in testing and gaming.

 

[Fleetwire]

I'll be back soon.

 

[newconroer]

Interested in coming over to Red side, trying to decide on B550 or X570.
B550 - no chipset fan (rejoice!) Has better LAN, Wifi, DisplayPort 1.4 (!) and 1220 audio
X570 - something about PCIE 4 on the second M2 slot and the chipset - which means my second (someday) NVME could theoretically run faster and any PCIE slotted cards I have (non GPU), might perform better..theoretically?
Not sure how this helps future proofing in relation to CPU or GPU

What's my real concern here between the two when using a 3700x?
Struggling to justify the X570 now

And for budget? eh, I don't want to pay extra for fancy lights I cannot see, if that helps clarify.

 

[biffzinker]

B550 - no chipset fan (rejoice!) Has better LAN, Wifi, DisplayPort 1.4 (!) and 1220 audio
X570 - something about PCIE 4 on the second M2 slot and the chipset - which means my second (someday) NVME could theoretically run faster and any PCIE slotted cards I have (non GPU), might perform better..theoretically?
Not sure how this helps future proofing in relation to CPU or GPU

The chipset uplink to the CPU is PCIe 4 over the x4 lanes for the X570. General purpose lanes from the chipset to the slots on the motherboard are PCIe 4 for the X570.

B550 Vs X570 motherboards: what's the difference?

Taking a look back at what AMD had to offer, we compare what B550 vs X570 motherboards have to offer. With a look at the two chipsets, we can see the

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[Xzibit]

Finally got around to updating the BIOS to AGESA v2 1.0.0.2. Was waiting on it to be FINAL instead of BETA for my MB. Besides the usual small UEFI things switching and improving, while in games it seams smoother.

 

[Nuckles56]

Interested in coming over to Red side, trying to decide on B550 or X570.
B550 - no chipset fan (rejoice!) Has better LAN, Wifi, DisplayPort 1.4 (!) and 1220 audio
X570 - something about PCIE 4 on the second M2 slot and the chipset - which means my second (someday) NVME could theoretically run faster and any PCIE slotted cards I have (non GPU), might perform better..theoretically?
Not sure how this helps future proofing in relation to CPU or GPU

What's my real concern here between the two when using a 3700x?
Struggling to justify the X570 now

And for budget? eh, I don't want to pay extra for fancy lights I cannot see, if that helps clarify.

My gigabyte X570 board got much better to live with, as one of the later firmware updates has introduced a 0RPM mode and now the chipset fan only spins up when it actually needs to which is much better then the old running the whole time like the original firmware did which was beginning to shit me and I was getting ready to put a noctua 40mm on it instead

 

[Atomic77]

My HP Laptop with Ryzen 5 3500u has been really smooth so far. I first got it July 9, 2020.

 

[entropy13]

Had some time for finetuning so I set it to 3.8GHz now - the temp difference is negligible compared to 3.6GHz, so no point sacrificing that small performance boost.

And CPB is the biggest culprit of bringing the stock cooler to 95C anyway, PPT and vcore offset just brought a 4C decrease; turning off CPB lowered temps by 11C. LOL

Small update here - having an additional intake fan and replacing the stock exhaust fan of the case (which IS the 2nd intake now) with something more powerful actually brought down temps even further.

So the stock cooler now runs at 73C in Cinebench, when before it's 80C. In-game temps don't go beyond 70C now, holding steady in the 60s. Previously it was around the 67-73C range, now it's 63-68C.

 

[pantherx12]

Sanity check please, is it just me or are the technicians for the people who sold me my laptop completely ignorant?

My understanding is that all 65w Ryzen parts have a power draw of 88w stock.

Is like they think power draw and tdp are the same thing, how can the be classed as technicians?

Every ryzen master screen shot I've seen with 65w CPUs has 88w as the default, even on my son's 2500x .

And the 105w tdp CPUs have 142w.

Am I crazy?

Can people with 65w ryzens please share screen shots on Ryzen master with default settings.

Thank you kindly

 

[Chomiq]

Yeah TDP is not PPT, they need to educate themselves. If that laptop had to have the PPT lowered to 65 W it means it can't operate correctly under stock settings.

 

[pantherx12]

Yeah TDP is not PPT, they need to educate themselves. If that laptop had to have the PPT lowered to 65 W it means it can't operate correctly under stock settings.

Thank you, this entire experience with pc specialist has been maddening. They don't seem to know anything about computers. It took them a month to sort out even though I had identified the issue before sending it to them as well. ( One of the CCDs was drawing 20-25% more power at any given clock speed)

Don't reccomend the company at all. I was supposed to be writing a review for the laptop as well.

Perhaps I still will as the laptop itself when working is a beast .

 

[Glaceon]

I said I would be back with my 3900X, here I am. Bent pins after some misfortunes. Nothing half an hour with a mechanical pencil can't fix. Loving this thing.

And question, is 88C with a 4.02 GHz boost during Aida64 Stability Test after an hour, NH-D15, with CPU fan speeds limited to 1100 rpm max, something to worry about? I have not overclocked or messed with any BIOS settings apart from XMP.

 

[Mussels]

temps will be hot under such circumstances, if you go for an all core OC you actually lower temps, as long as you dont go voltages high enough to damage the chip.

Whether it improves or degrades performance varies between chips and uses, however.

 

[Glaceon]

temps will be hot under such circumstances, if you go for an all core OC you actually lower temps, as long as you dont go voltages high enough to damage the chip.

Whether it improves or degrades performance varies between chips and uses, however.

Under the tasks I bought the chip for it rarely goes past 65C and hits 74C in cinebench.

 

[AsRock]

I said I would be back with my 3900X, here I am. Bent pins after some misfortunes. Nothing half an hour with a mechanical pencil can't fix. Loving this thing.

And question, is 88C with a 4.02 GHz boost during Aida64 Stability Test after an hour, NH-D15, with CPU fan speeds limited to 1100 rpm max, something to worry about? I have not overclocked or messed with any BIOS settings apart from XMP.

As @Mussels said going all core will lower the temps, you might find that you can get some were like 4.2-4.3 all core and voltages below 1.3v, mine at 4.2 voltage required is 1.275v and run CB and get 79c with a ambiant of 33-34c

Good Luck.

 

[Glaceon]

Uh, I'll just wait for ClockTuner for Zen 2... lol. Never overclocked a CPU or messed with any related settings really

 

[lexluthermiester]

And question, is 88C with a 4.02 GHz boost during Aida64 Stability Test after an hour, NH-D15, with CPU fan speeds limited to 1100 rpm max, something to worry about?

No, you're fine.

Uh, I'll just wait for ClockTuner for Zen 2... lol. Never overclocked a CPU or messed with any related settings really

It's a 3900X. You really don't need to OC unless you want to tinker. That CPU has power to spare for 98% of all general computing tasks, including gaming.