Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[tabascosauz]

Yeah yikes, accelerated degradation. There's been reports on twitter, and reddit of chips that had single core boost to 5 GHz that are no longer capable of such.
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Also the Prime95 stress test was configured for a light AVX workload not good for finding instability.

Passing it along from @Xx Tek Tip xX that mentioned it.

CTR 2.0 is proving to be a pretty big bruh moment if its Diagnostic results for my 4650G and the other anecdotal horror story about what Tune does to a 4650G in the space of 30 minutes (something like 1.45V all-core) are to be believed.

Where's stilt when we need his guidance on voltage behaviour?

 

[freeagent]

you might have just lost the silicon lottery is all, but not a big deal. I have been rock solid stable for months now at 1.360v 4625 all core no downclocking, LLC mode 4 on x570 tomahawk. great temps and no crashes. i don't feel the need to go back to ryzen master auto OC or do that other program. prob will leave it like this for as long as it lets me. /shrug i really don't think 1.360v is all that bad i do have -25 offset as well in BIOS, so its actually running slightly less than that. also I OC the SoC to 1.150.

Indeed, I’ve considered that and accepted the loss as it isn’t the first and won’t be the last

Looking back over the years with overclocking, I’ve noticed that some chips love voltage, and some chips hate it. I usually get the ones that love the volts but not the clocks Their are a couple of voltages I haven't touched on my XT maybe I should quit being a pussy about it

But still, I don’t own zen 3 but if they were getting stabbed with 1.55v I could see them not being happy with that. I didn’t like 1.55v on 32nm let alone 7nm.

 

[Octopuss]

Might want to stay away from CTR 2.0 because of a bug that rams 1.55 volts through a Zen 3 chip such as your 5800.

I only did the diagnosis or whatever is it called to see what my sample was. I presume it didn't apply any settings?

 

[r3volt97]

Hey y'all , looking to at what should i pair my 5950X + RX 6800 Red Devil with , all i need is mobo , psu and a watercooling kit as i've almost got everything ready , the case would be a Jonsbo mod 3 if i could find any in stock . My aim :

Asus Rog Crosshair Vlll Dark Hero OR Aorus x570 Master

Seasonic PRIME TX 1000 watt OR Asus Rog Thor 1200 watt


This build is gonna be a gaming / editing rig , if i cannot get the custom waterloop in time imma buy the Ryujin 360 and have everything set for the moment , looking forward hearing from you lot

 

[tabascosauz]

Hey y'all , looking to at what should i pair my 5950X + RX 6800 Red Devil with , all i need is mobo , psu and a watercooling kit as i've almost got everything ready , the case would be a Jonsbo mod 3 if i could find any in stock . My aim :

Asus Rog Crosshair Vlll Dark Hero OR Aorus x570 Master

Seasonic PRIME TX 1000 watt OR Asus Rog Thor 1200 watt


This build is gonna be a gaming / editing rig , if i cannot get the custom waterloop in time imma buy the Ryujin 360 and have everything set for the moment , looking forward hearing from you lot

Board:

Depends on if it's a rev.1.0 or rev.1.2 Master. iirc the newer revisions were released to bring the X570 up to the level of the B550, which has a more optimized memory topology (think the caps layout changed and they added shielding for the memory trace plane). Not that it should be any difference for your average 3200-3600 kit, but between the same 2 Masters obviously you would want the newer version. Otherwise, personal preference as to style and opinion on the chipset fan - the X570 Master has physical switches so the dual BIOS is not a problem.

I like (and I think most would agree) the Asus BIOS for being more intuitive, but if you have the basic knowledge not to need the handholding, the Gigabyte BIOS is fine. And on the Master you get the redundancy of dual BIOS without the stupid automatic dual BIOS switching logic.

PSU:

The Thor 1200 is a modified Seasonic PRIME so essentially you are paying for the super extra, blingy OLED screen on it. I know for certain that I would MUCH rather deal with Seasonic's great support team than ASUS support (yuck) in the event that I need help, or need an RMA.

hold up, why list the Dark Hero in your specs if you haven't bought it yet?

 

[r3volt97]

Board:

Depends on if it's a rev.1.0 or rev.1.2 Master. iirc the newer revisions were released to bring the X570 up to the level of the B550, which has a more optimized memory topology (think the caps layout changed and they added shielding for the memory trace plane). Not that it should be any difference for your average 3200-3600 kit, but between the same 2 Masters obviously you would want the newer version. Otherwise, personal preference as to style and opinion on the chipset fan - the X570 Master has physical switches so the dual BIOS is not a problem.

I like (and I think most would agree) the Asus BIOS for being more intuitive, but if you have the basic knowledge not to need the handholding, the Gigabyte BIOS is fine. And on the Master you get the redundancy of dual BIOS without the stupid automatic dual BIOS switching logic.

PSU:

The Thor 1200 is a modified Seasonic PRIME so essentially you are paying for the super extra, blingy OLED screen on it. I know for certain that I would MUCH rather deal with Seasonic's great support team than ASUS support (yuck) in the event that I need help, or need an RMA.

hold up, why list the Dark Hero in your specs if you haven't bought it yet?

i haven't got it , it was from last month when i last edited my specs

 

[ViperXTR]

Ive been seeing amd owners lately regarding USB issues, anyone have it? Not having any issues on mine

 

[neatfeatguy]

Ive been seeing amd owners lately regarding USB issues, anyone have it? Not having any issues on mine

No USB issues in terms of disconnects, hang ups, drops or so on for me.

This being my first Win 10 system at home that I use on a constant basis (my htpc runs Win 10, but I rarely have to login and use it) and on my ASRock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 with 5900x, I have had Windows 10 give me random USB disconnect sounds here and there. Only USB devices plugged in are my headset (front case 3.0 port) and mouse (rear MB usb 3.2 port). My keyboard is PS/2.

I figure my issue is a Windows 10 issue since folks have been reporting the USB disconnect sounds for years. I simply set the "USB settings > USB selective suspend setting" (under the Advanced Power Settings) to DISABLED. I no longer hear the annoying, random USB disconnect counds.

 

[freeagent]

Was just at newegg a little while ago looking at stuff I wouldn’t buy until I came across 1 of 4 5600X in stock sold and shipped by them.. so I had to grab one

Wasnt planning on that so she might make me sell the 3600XT.. but she’s sleeping like a baby right now so probably not

Now I just need a gpu and my kid needs a board and we are set.

 

[tabascosauz]

Was just at newegg a little while ago looking at stuff I wouldn’t buy until I came across 1 of 4 5600X in stock sold and shipped by them.. so I had to grab one

Wasnt planning on that so she might make me sell the 3600XT.. but she’s sleeping like a baby right now so probably not

Now I just need a gpu and my kid needs a board and we are set.

Sold my 3700X within 24 hours at a more than reasonable price considering how long I had it. It looks like AMD straight up EOL'd (?) the 3600XT in Canada and the only real vendor for the 3600X is selling it for $340 CAD (that's bonkers, my 4650G cost me $330). You can probably fetch a decent price for that 3600XT if you wanted to sell.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Was just at newegg a little while ago looking at stuff I wouldn’t buy until I came across 1 of 4 5600X in stock sold and shipped by them.. so I had to grab one

Wasnt planning on that so she might make me sell the 3600XT.. but she’s sleeping like a baby right now so probably not

Now I just need a gpu and my kid needs a board and we are set.

I'll take that 3600XT off your hands

 

[Mussels]

I'll take your hands off your wrists

 

[8BitZ80]

I just spotted this comment on a Paul's Hardware review of the Intel 6950X 10-core from 2016 and it's a knee-slapper in hindsight.

 

[freeagent]

Sold my 3700X within 24 hours at a more than reasonable price considering how long I had it. It looks like AMD straight up EOL'd (?) the 3600XT in Canada and the only real vendor for the 3600X is selling it for $340 CAD (that's bonkers, my 4650G cost me $330). You can probably fetch a decent price for that 3600XT if you wanted to sell.

I know right? I thought they quit making them already lol..

I'll take that 3600XT off your hands

I will talk to you next week ok?

I'll take your hands off your wrists

Sold!

I just spotted this comment on a Paul's Hardware review of the Intel 6950X 10-core from 2016 and it's a knee-slapper in hindsight.

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Ahh the good old days!

 

[TheLostSwede]

Ive been seeing amd owners lately regarding USB issues, anyone have it? Not having any issues on mine

I had some glitchy issues at one point, which I presumed was because of the 10 cent Genesys Logic USB hub that Gigabyte uses.
That was some time ago and I've not had any issues for at least the past 10 UEFI updates.

 

[kapone32]

So I recently came into some unexpected funds. It is a larger sum than I expected so I was going to treat myself. I wanted to ask the community though. I want to go back to a single high end computer. I currently have a 5600x system paired with a 6800XT and a 2920x based system with Vega 64. I want to get into TRX40 (The MSI TRX40 Pro is literally $399 US on B&H and the 10G is $513 CAD on another site) but having a 5600X means that I can appreciate the improvements that 5000 series have with them (especially Gaming). In some benchmarks with the 6800XT the 5600X was 60% faster than the 2920X.

I want a 3960X. Does it make sense that those are less retail than on Ebay. The caveat is that I don't want to get burned like we did on X399 (Which was understandable) as I know for a fact that I will be getting whatever 5000 semi affordable chip there is for the next Gen Threadripper chip. Judging from what I have seen from the 5600X it should be crazy. Probably on the level of 2 5900X. Anyhow I guess I am asking should I take the plunge and get a 3960X or wait and see if the 5000 are backward compatible?

 

[PaulieG]

Just curious.. at stock with PBO enabled, 3 of my 6 cores boost up to 4625MHz. But when I try to manually set 4600 in the bios, and go to load up my trusty testing app and hit go, the pc will reboot after a few seconds, its like I crossed a magical current domain and it clips and reboots. Voltage doesn't help, LLC doesn't help. I do only have 1 CPU 8 pin installed, I cant use the other 8 pin because it wont separate to four pin, and I am thinking the CPU is not getting enough juice.. Does it sound like I am on the right track? The CPU will load windows at 4700 all core manual.. so its not like a frequency wall.

No, it's most definitely a frequency/voltage wall...lol. That's exactly what a wall looks like.

I can "run" 4400MHz on my 4650G all day long if booting into Windows is a benchmark for stability......it literally isn't possible to run any actual CPU stress test (no, Cinebench is not a stress test) at those all-core speeds. If degradation wasn't a thing, I could overvolt it to the moon if I wanted to. It will not be stable even for 1 second.

Booting into Windows really doesn't take much more stability than booting. A bit more so for RAM overclocks, but CPU overclocks not so much.

Where are you seeing 4625MHz? If it's HWInfo, go to settings (right click taskbar icon) and enable Snapshot CPU Polling, then see what kind of speeds it's achieving after you've used your comp for a few hours. 4625MHz literally means nothing unless you're running a single-threaded benchmark and the loaded core shows 4625MHz continuously under Effective Clock. "Core Clock" may as well be smoke and mirrors due to the granularity of Ryzen clock control.

With a manual OC I've found my 5600x and 3600x scale frequency and voltage very well until it hits it's wall. Once they hit that wall then it takes a much higher percentage of additional of voltage to get them to budge at all. For instance, I can get get my 5600x rock stable @ 4.4ghz on 1.16v, 4.5ghz on 1.18v, but to get it stable at 4.6ghz. it takes 1.23v to get stable and starts becoming way too hot for this stock cooler to really test for rock solid stability. I can boot into windows and do general tasks @ 4.7ghz on 1.28v, but I don't dare run any stability tests until I get the EK AIO installed this weekend.

 

[freeagent]

With a manual OC I've found my 5600x and 3600x scale frequency and voltage very well until it hits it's wall. Once they hit that wall then it takes a much higher percentage of additional of voltage to get them to budge at all. For instance, I can get get my 5600x rock stable @ 4.4ghz on 1.16v, 4.5ghz on 1.18v, but to get it stable at 4.6ghz it takes 1.23v to get stable and starts becoming way too hot for this stock cooler. I can boot into windows and do general tasks @ 4.7ghz on 1.28v, but I don't dare run any stability tests until I get the EK AIO installed this weekend.

Yeah I hear you man. That's a nice CPU. I was expecting a bluescreen or something. Initially I thought that maybe the CPU wasn't getting enough power with just an 8 pin eps. I upgraded my PSU and got an extra 4 pins to use for 12 total and it didn't help. So yup, I guess that's the wall. Kind of like 939 in that way with my San Diego iirc.

I am looking forward to getting that 5600X Its the CPU I wanted.. but couldn't get unless I wanted to pay 200 over msrp. I do have to say, this 3600XT has been a real treat to use. Its a very good CPU if you don't need a workstation at home. Just 1 year ago I would never have considered an AMD, I am glad I did this time.

 

[8BitZ80]

So I recently came into some unexpected funds. It is a larger sum than I expected so I was going to treat myself. I wanted to ask the community though. I want to go back to a single high end computer. I currently have a 5600x system paired with a 6800XT and a 2920x based system with Vega 64. I want to get into TRX40 (The MSI TRX40 Pro is literally $399 US on B&H and the 10G is $513 CAD on another site) but having a 5600X means that I can appreciate the improvements that 5000 series have with them (especially Gaming). In some benchmarks with the 6800XT the 5600X was 60% faster than the 2920X.

I want a 3960X. Does it make sense that those are less retail than on Ebay. The caveat is that I don't want to get burned like we did on X399 (Which was understandable) as I know for a fact that I will be getting whatever 5000 semi affordable chip there is for the next Gen Threadripper chip. Judging from what I have seen from the 5600X it should be crazy. Probably on the level of 2 5900X. Anyhow I guess I am asking should I take the plunge and get a 3960X or wait and see if the 5000 are backward compatible?

So was the "amount" like.... $50? $60?

I think the only time I've come into money unexpectedly was when got US$500 from winning an essay competition. It covered a nice chunk of costs for my 5600X upgrade. Although considering I spent three days writing the essay, it's not like I couldn't have earned that money from working three days in an engineering gig, so it kind of felt like I earned it anyway.

 

[Mussels]

So I recently came into some unexpected funds. It is a larger sum than I expected so I was going to treat myself. I wanted to ask the community though. I want to go back to a single high end computer. I currently have a 5600x system paired with a 6800XT and a 2920x based system with Vega 64. I want to get into TRX40 (The MSI TRX40 Pro is literally $399 US on B&H and the 10G is $513 CAD on another site) but having a 5600X means that I can appreciate the improvements that 5000 series have with them (especially Gaming). In some benchmarks with the 6800XT the 5600X was 60% faster than the 2920X.

I want a 3960X. Does it make sense that those are less retail than on Ebay. The caveat is that I don't want to get burned like we did on X399 (Which was understandable) as I know for a fact that I will be getting whatever 5000 semi affordable chip there is for the next Gen Threadripper chip. Judging from what I have seen from the 5600X it should be crazy. Probably on the level of 2 5900X. Anyhow I guess I am asking should I take the plunge and get a 3960X or wait and see if the 5000 are backward compatible?

If you're going that high end, wait for the zen 3 variant of threadripper for sure - every gen they've narrowed it down so there was less gaming loss compared to ryzen, too.

 

[kapone32]

If you're going that high end, wait for the zen 3 variant of threadripper for sure - every gen they've narrowed it down so there was less gaming loss compared to ryzen, too.

So was the "amount" like.... $50? $60?

I think the only time I've come into money unexpectedly was when got US$500 from winning an essay competition. It covered a nice chunk of costs for my 5600X upgrade. Although considering I spent three days writing the essay, it's not like I couldn't have earned that money from working three days in an engineering gig, so it kind of felt like I earned it anyway.

Add a couple zeros. There is no way I would be looking at a $2000 CPU with a $50 surprise. Besides my Wife would probably have a bird if I just bought something like that while life needs to be paid for.

 

[Mussels]

I mean you could just get a 5950X and call it a good compromise?

 

[kapone32]

If you're going that high end, wait for the zen 3 variant of threadripper for sure - every gen they've narrowed it down so there was less gaming loss compared to ryzen, too.

Thanks for that. It's not like I don't want a 3000 Threadripper. The thing for me is it could be like the X570 where that was released for the 3000 series AM4 chips but they jumped in price and diversified(negatively) in features when the 5000 series chips launched. Hopefully it is a board upgrade like what they told us years ago and we would have 3 different HEDT chipsets (Looks like 2 anyway). I just don't want to buy anymore motherboards. TRx40 is the last board I want for the current Generation of products.

I mean you could just get a 5950X and call it a good compromise?

It's the PCIe lanes (or lack there of) on X570 that keeps me waxing nostalgic for X399 and wanting to jump into TRX40.

 

[LifeOnMars]

Hi peeps, Had my 3600 since May last year but never played around with an OC, just left it at stock and have been gaming daily on it since. I'm using the stock cooler and it does get a tad noisy when it constantly ramps up and down, I finally decided to see if I could do something about it.

My case cooling is not fantastic and obviously I'm only using the stock CPU cooler but just wanted confirmation that these voltages are ok and how to test for stability as I seem to have sorted out the noise problem...

It's at 4.2Ghz with voltages showing 1.325v max when idling briefly and then around 1.12v when under heavy load. VSOC is at 1.05v. Noise has gone down dramatically using the silent profile and the reduced voltage. Memory is just at stock XMP 3200 profile. Very happy as I was considering getting an aftermarket cooler but honestly, this is almost silent now even under heavy load. My 1080ti is silent as well so all in all it's a nice experience when gaming in my front room.

I've tested it with all the Prime 95 tests for 12 hrs each time and it shows no errors, max temp 87c
I've also gamed on it for two weeks with no issues for 4-5 hr sessions in several demanding games that utilise a lot of cores and RAM.

I game at 4K so not really bothered about tweaking ram or anything else....Am I good or is there any other stability tests that could help identify potential problems? Thanks

 

[Mussels]

Hi peeps, Had my 3600 since May last year but never played around with an OC, just left it at stock and have been gaming daily on it since. I'm using the stock cooler and it does get a tad noisy when it constantly ramps up and down, I finally decided to see if I could do something about it.

My case cooling is not fantastic and obviously I'm only using the stock CPU cooler but just wanted confirmation that these voltages are ok and how to test for stability as I seem to have sorted out the noise problem...

It's at 4.2Ghz with voltages showing 1.325v max when idling briefly and then around 1.12v when under heavy load. VSOC is at 1.05v. Noise has gone down dramatically using the silent profile and the reduced voltage. Memory is just at stock XMP 3200 profile. Very happy as I was considering getting an aftermarket cooler but honestly, this is almost silent now even under heavy load. My 1080ti is silent as well so all in all it's a nice experience when gaming in my front room.

I've tested it with all the Prime 95 tests for 12 hrs each time and it shows no errors, max temp 87c
I've also gamed on it for two weeks with no issues for 4-5 hr sessions in several demanding games that utilise a lot of cores and RAM.

I game at 4K so not really bothered about tweaking ram or anything else....Am I good or is there any other stability tests that could help identify potential problems? Thanks

ryzen crashes at idle as much as load, when unstable.

I liked running loops of cinebench R23 and then letting it idle for a while, then smacking it back on. usually while browing, youtube, FB whatever.