Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[freeagent]

Kind of a shitty 5900x it seems. When did you get it. Im hoping mine can at least do 1800fclk since thats basically stock for my 3600 memory.

It did to 1900 at one point, but now it struggles at the top. AMD says it’s ok. I think I tore the infinity fabric It runs just fine if you aren’t overclocking fclk too hard. It still boosts right to the tippy top. I bought it maybe 2 months ago. I honestly thought it was my ram at first, but it’s flying on my 6 core. It will run 1900 but TM5 fails fairly quick. It benches just fine though so I don’t know what to make of it. AMD said it’s ok and denied RMA so. I checked the pins, socket area, everything looks mint. Something had always been a little off with it I think. The only thing I have to compare is my 5600x..

I really don’t know what to make of it.

Edit:

I think this guy probably won’t show up since he is late. I’m not heart broken though, it’s still a great CPU, it’s just not doing what I want it to

 

[Space Lynx]

It did to 1900 at one point, but now it struggles at the top. AMD says it’s ok. I think I tore the infinity fabric It runs just fine if you aren’t overclocking fclk too hard. It still boosts right to the tippy top. I bought it maybe 2 months ago. I honestly thought it was my ram at first, but it’s flying on my 6 core. It will run 1900 but TM5 fails fairly quick. It benches just fine though so I don’t know what to make of it. AMD said it’s ok and denied RMA so. I checked the pins, socket area, everything looks mint. Something had always been a little off with it I think. The only thing I have to compare is my 5600x..

I really don’t know what to make of it.

Edit:

I think this guy probably won’t show up since he is late. I’m not heart broken though, it’s still a great CPU, it’s just not doing what I want it to

could be the mobo/ram holding you back, how do you know its the CPU? for example even if you had a $400 mobo, no two $400 mobo's are the same. YMMV

 

[freeagent]

could be the mobo/ram holding you back, how do you know its the CPU? for example even if you had a $400 mobo, no two $400 mobo's are the same. YMMV

Because nothing has changed in months, the ram is good board seems good. I honestly have a hard time believing I hurt it. I am not ham handed with my overclocks.

I will give him another hour before I plug it in for the third time in a couple of days lol..

Well.. my new board came, the buyer bailed since he is more than an hour late, so I’m going to build another system. I am going to stick my 5900x back in and not be concerned I can’t run it as fast as I want. It is still an awesome cpu. Who knows maybe she will figure herself out.. it pains me to not be able to say what is wrong other than something lol..

 

[toilet pepper]

My 5800x does not like my RAM. I tested the RAM with the same motherboard and I got my R5-3600 to 1900FCLK and 3800 16-16-16-32 timings. All I did for that was use and follow DRAM calculator. When I switched to the 5800x it won't work with the same timings and I even tried lowering it to 1800fclk and it wouldnt work as well. I've sepnt hours just to get it right and I eventually gave up.

Loaded XMP and manually edited some sub-timmings and here is what I have.

Here's the RAM info:

 

[freeagent]

You guys are awesome, I just wanted to thank you for your support during these trying times

TM5 is running @ 1800 flat 14s and a 34 and it has passed the point of failure by 2 minutes lol..

Side note:

My 9 year old is super happy his rig is getting an update from a 3770K @ 4500 with 12gb ram on a z77 oc formula to that little Asus, 5600X and 16gb 3200C14 lol.. he won’t have that ram for long though.

Also it is still running with no errors wtf. It took me 5 minutes to write this lol

Edit again:

No problems running high speed at 2T GDM off, problems at medium to high speed with 1T GDM on. Hm. Stock is fine too. Guess I was pointing my finger at the wrong component..

 

[Mussels]

@R-T-B says 5800x is best because the latency is better on a single ccx die. that's also why it runs hotter. interesting though.

the hotter is due to heat density, which is a side effect of single CCX and 8 core (the 5600x is single CCX and low latency, but doesnt have the heat issue)

I keep telling people how the 5600x is undervalued, you could power a 3090 with that and not notice for gaming

 

[freeagent]

The 5600X is such a nice CPU. The only thing that would make it better is giving it the ability to rock 5GHz. Because it would literally sit there all day at top clocks. It is such a treat to use, and it’s easy to cool.

 

[Deleted member 202104]

The 5600X is such a nice CPU. The only thing that would make it better is giving it the ability to rock 5GHz. Because it would literally sit there all day at top clocks. It is such a treat to use, and it’s easy to cool.

Get yoself a good 5800x and disable 2 cores.

Or disable one CCD on your 5900x and let er rip.

*This post may or may not be sponsored by Margaritas

 

[freeagent]

I didn't think of disabling a CCD.. hmm..

 

[R-T-B]

@R-T-B says 5800x is best because the latency is better on a single ccx die. that's also why it runs hotter. interesting though.

I dunno about best, it was best for my situation. It's pretty variable though depending on what you are doing.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

I just picked up a 5600x locally, but strangely the SSD isn't showing in the "My Pc" but's in the Task manager >.>
so many BIOS options O.O! I think I know what did though.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I just picked up a 5600x locally, but strangely the SSD isn't showing in the "My Pc" but's in the Task manager >.>
so many BIOS options O.O! I think I know what did though.

That's a windows bug. I had that too and didnt do a single change to my system.

 

[Nordic]

I am upgrading from a 3900x to a 5950x. The new cpu should be here tomorrow. Is there anything I should know?

 

[freeagent]

Is there anything I should know?

Be prepared to be blown away

 

[tabascosauz]

I am upgrading from a 3900x to a 5950x. The new cpu should be here tomorrow. Is there anything I should know?

Stock to stock it should run much cooler than the 3900X in MT? ST can be hotter in games though. Do use the best paste you have on hand, though. Between the time I've spent with this 5900X on MX-4, NT-H1, and NT-H2, paste might help reduce some of the per-core temp spikes under high ST boost.

Curve optimizer is a nice feature but it's a serious bitch to work out the correct way on the 2CCD CPUs. Too many cores. Might have to spend a lot of time testing if you want an actually stable curve tailored for every core. You can gain a bit of MT perf by bringing the poorer quality cores up to say -15 to -30 offset, gains in ST perf will require a well-binned CPU.

As long as you're on AGESA 1200 or later, shouldn't be missing out on any performance.

 

[Calmmo]

I am upgrading from a 3900x to a 5950x. The new cpu should be here tomorrow. Is there anything I should know?

My experience going from 3900x to 5900x was.. day to day barely noticable, heavy MT (so.. benchmarks) much cooler up to ~10c, but light workloads like games run significantly hotter than before. (which is why you kinda want to undervolt since amd was very agressive with their 5000 voltage curve)

 

[freeagent]

I almost sold my 5900X to buy a 5950X.. I chickened out after the buyer bailed and I pulled my ad..

I don't want to say they run hot, they really don't.. but when you load them up with real work things get.. interesting.. the challenge is there for sure to keep it cool. Even more so when you enable PBO. Those CCD's man.. I almost bought a 5800X like 5 times just to see if they are really as hot as people say.. but I already have a 5600X and that thing is super easy to cool.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I almost sold my 5900X to buy a 5950X.. I chickened out after the buyer bailed and I pulled my ad..

I don't want to say they run hot, they really don't.. but when you load them up with real work things get.. interesting.. the challenge is there for sure to keep it cool. Even more so when you enable PBO. Those CCD's man.. I almost bought a 5800X like 5 times just to see if they are really as hot as people say.. but I already have a 5600X and that thing is super easy to cool.

My Dual 360 rad custom loop should make easy work of this 5900x

 

[tabascosauz]

So about the 3600CL14...it does 3600 flat 14s at 1.42V completely stable. The issue isn't that it does any of that. The real news is that dual rank B-die seems to have made MW2019 exponentially smoother, and given the night/day difference it is anything but placebo:

• MW2019: Previously, I could reduce the amount of microstuttering by running minimal background programs, but never eliminate it. They were always too subtle to be picked up by LatencyMon.
• MW2019: Sometimes the game would just decide to r/fuckyouinparticular and begin stuttering and skipping frames upon initiating very specific actions (e.g. firing the first bullet in a mag, sliding, mantling/vaulting, racking the bolt during the draw animation of a new picked up weapon, popping the smoke grenade for weapon drop). Whenever the weirdly routine stuttering happened, I always got the orange packet loss indicator in the left side of the screen, despite it being an offline match against bots. LatencyMon never picked that up either.

I've tried half a billion "fixes" in the last two years, none of them did anything.

Funny thing is, this behaviour persisted across the 3700X, 4650G and 5900X, through numerous game updates, Geforce driver versions, and clean installed Windows versions.

Since 3000 launch I was always under the impression that as long as you get to 3600CL16, B-die doesn't really matter, and CJR/DJR happens to punch above its weight compared to Micron. Apparently I was wrong? In the past 2 years on the CJR kit, I've been to 3600CL17 XMP, 3600CL18 XMP (GDM), my 3600CL16 stable profile, my 3733CL16 stable profile. Nothing made a difference, until I switched to this kit.

So unless my 3 different boards were all equally responsible for poor game experience but the Unify-X magically isn't, I'm probably going to have to pin it on the CJR. It'd be interesting to test my single rank B-die as well, but I'm lazy.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

So about the 3600CL14...it does 3600 flat 14s at 1.42V completely stable. The issue isn't that it does any of that. The real news is that dual rank B-die seems to have made MW2019 exponentially smoother, and given the night/day difference it is anything but placebo:

• MW2019: Previously, I could reduce the amount of microstuttering by running minimal background programs, but never eliminate it. They were always too subtle to be picked up by LatencyMon.
• MW2019: Sometimes the game would just decide to r/fuckyouinparticular and begin stuttering and skipping frames upon initiating very specific actions (e.g. firing the first bullet in a mag, sliding, mantling/vaulting, racking the bolt during the draw animation of a new picked up weapon, popping the smoke grenade for weapon drop). Whenever the weirdly routine stuttering happened, I always got the orange packet loss indicator in the left side of the screen, despite it being an offline match against bots. LatencyMon never picked that up either.

I've tried half a billion "fixes" in the last two years, none of them did anything.

Funny thing is, this behaviour persisted across the 3700X, 4650G and 5900X, through numerous game updates, Geforce driver versions, and clean installed Windows versions.

Since 3000 launch I was always under the impression that as long as you get to 3600CL16, B-die doesn't really matter, and CJR/DJR happens to punch above its weight compared to Micron. Apparently I was wrong? In the past 2 years on the CJR kit, I've been to 3600CL17 XMP, 3600CL18 XMP (GDM), my 3600CL16 stable profile, my 3733CL16 stable profile. Nothing made a difference, until I switched to this kit.

So unless my 3 different boards were all equally responsible for poor game experience but the Unify-X magically isn't, I'm probably going to have to pin it on the CJR. It'd be interesting to test my single rank B-die as well, but I'm lazy.

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Damn thats pretty sweet. Wonder if that latency can get closer to 50-52?

I definitely want to try for flat 14 at 3600 on my dual rank B-die kit.

 

[freeagent]

That's pretty sweet man! I need 1.475 for 3600-3666 @ 4x8 14-14-14-34

Still not sure what my issue was but it seems fine again.. what a weirdo.

 

[tabascosauz]

Damn thats pretty sweet. Wonder if that latency can get closer to 50-52?

I definitely want to try for flat 14 at 3600 on my dual rank B-die kit.

That's pretty sweet man! I need 1.475 for 3600-3666 @ 4x8 14-14-14-34

Still not sure what my issue was but it seems fine again.. what a weirdo.

I've seen other people close to that range with 3800CL14. I'm not personally gonna push that hard, on release I'll have a 5600G for that. Looking forward to some Intel-level latency on that chip, monolithic is something like 7ns advantage, then Zen 3 is another 7-10ns on top.

Here's a quick 3800CL14 but with a bit high tRC, latency probably just AIDA shenanigans:



But AIDA is so pepega that I've basically stopped using it for gauging performance, it takes so long to bench 2CCD CPUs, and I can get anywhere between 56.5-58ns depending on the time of day on 3600CL14. Completely stable so that's not the problem, AIDA is just a pepega.

Looks like Genshin Impact and Insurgency Sandstorm are also seeing similar improvement in frame consistency, just not quite as drastic as MW2019, but still a very welcome improvement.

 

[freeagent]

I've seen other people close to that range with 3800CL14

Yeah thats the black and whites.. they prefer 14-15-15. They need an extra .025v compared to my royals for the flat stuff.. and just about everything else.

 

[mama]

Just an observation from a relative novice: the coexistence of RyzenMaster and BIOS settings when tuning can be a bit iffy. When playing with PPT, TDC and EDC settings and PBO2 etc I found it best to input values to the BIOS and remove RyzenMaster entirely to ensure the settings were correct. I was noticing weirdly high values to the ones I had put in the BIOS. When I removed RyzenMaster is resolved. Admittedly the difficulties I had may be down to the MSI BIOS setup.

 

[freeagent]

I used Ryzen Master twice when I first moved to AM4 with a 3600XT.. not my favorite piece of software.. I just learned how to do it in the bios, its way easier. Only time I can see it helping is when you are testing per core.. might be a bit of a time saver.

Okay! So I had my system apart, and I think I found the cause of all of my issues. I think there was something throwing some resistance into the system. Mainly my fan controller. I did have a screen or two showing my 5v which normally shows 5.06 was down to 4.998, and my 12v which is normally at 12.172 was at 12.072. Not a big deal right? It must have been. I am running 1800 14-15-15-35 1.45v. It would have thrown errors after 7 minutes, and if that didn't happen it would have been 11 minutes.. it was like clockwork. Now the rails are tight, and she is spooling up again. Yay

Edit:

Looks like flat 14s are fine at 1800 1.45v. Weird. I also noticed when running TM5 at 1866fclk it will shave 50-100MHz off the core and effective clock.