Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[freeagent]

What happens when you uninstall RM and just make your changes in bios?

 

[Tomgang]

What happens when you uninstall RM and just make your changes in bios?

I think i have found the solution.

I all most forgot this motherboard party trick. The Dynamic OC switch.

EDIT: So here is a none power limited and fine tuned 5950X, what she can do on air cooling. CPU-z bench, Cinebench R20 and R23.

 

[mama]

Allright time has come to ask for advice. I´m new to overclock AMD Zen 3 CPU and i need a little help to let my 5950X stretch it´s legs full out with out being power limit.

The hardware we talk about is: Ryzen 9 5950X in a Asus Dark Hero X570 board with bios version 3401 and Noctua NH-D15 cooler. At the max power levels i can aget now, the CPU hovering at around 70C while stock is 50C bofh with full fan speed and read by ryzen master.

The problem is the EDC limit right now. I have tried different settings in bios. All depending on settings it is either the stock EDC limit of 140 amp, 200 amp max and i can´t get above it neither with ryzen master or in bios or it just sits a 0 amp with Cpu sems back to stock watt on the other two power limits despite they sit at 300 watt for PPT and 255 amp for TDC while EDC is 0 amp. So if i exsample set EDC in bios to 230 amp, ryzen master still shows 200 amp.

I have different image below of the different amp i can get in EDC. But what i seek is a way to by pass the maximum 200 amp EDC i can go to now, so the 5950X can go all out for some benchmark, if it´s
even possible.
Stock
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200 amp EDC limit i can´t figure out to bypass and that limits my bench scores as i hit EDC limit at 100 %
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Here it is with the 0 amp in EDC and the CPU seems to go back to run stock even throw the other limits are higher than stock

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See my comment above. Either remove Ryzenmaster and input values to the BIOS or insert default values for the chip in BIOS and use Ryzenmaster. Don't use both.

 

[Tomgang]

See my comment above. Either remove Ryzenmaster and input values to the BIOS or insert default values for the chip in BIOS and use Ryzenmaster. Don't use both.

I have solved it. See just above you.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

So whats the story on WHEAs? People on AMD forums seem to just disable the auto boost feature PBO etc. But that doesnt seem like a valid work around. Is it mostly memory related or us it a CPU arch issue?

 

[tabascosauz]

So whats the story on WHEAs? People on AMD forums seem to just disable the auto boost feature PBO etc. But that doesnt seem like a valid work around. Is it mostly memory related or us it a CPU arch issue?

WHEA event 18: CPU issue (ie. dreaded cache hierarchy), bad board or bios providing insufficient idle Vcore, bad OC or undervolt (possibly? not personally seen this)

WHEA event 19: Infinity Fabric at its limit, insufficient VSOC, bad VDDP/VDDG settings

Lately I've seen some questionable statements floating around,I'm personally not a fan of "its just Ryzen things, just suppress the WHEAs/turn off WHEA reporting it's fine" because if it's unstable, it's delusional to think otherwise.

Cache hierarchy WHEA is probably an automatic RMA if updating BIOS /reverting OC can't fix. Bus/Interconnect you will see a lot if you push mem OC hard a lot, without desyncing IF.

Are you trying for 3800CL14 right now?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

WHEA event 18: CPU issue (ie. dreaded cache hierarchy), bad board or bios providing insufficient idle Vcore, bad OC or undervolt (possibly? not personally seen this)

WHEA event 19: Infinity Fabric at its limit, insufficient VSOC, bad VDDP/VDDG settings

Lately I've seen some questionable statements floating around,I'm personally not a fan of "its just Ryzen things, just suppress the WHEAs/turn off WHEA reporting it's fine" because if it's unstable, it's delusional to think otherwise.

Cache hierarchy WHEA is probably an automatic RMA if updating BIOS /reverting OC can't fix. Bus/Interconnect you will see a lot if you push mem OC hard a lot, without desyncing IF.

Are you trying for 3800CL14 right now?

No, not even gotten my rig really uo and running yet. Still working on cable management and then i need to pipe it up. But i did run it outside a case just to make sure it boots and i can install windows. I didnt change a thing in BIOS yet.

I plan on just doing 3600 14-14-14-34 initially before i dive into tweaking much more.

This Aorus master board is pretty sweet though. BIOS is pretty lookin. But my mouse is so damn slow in it.

 

[Tomgang]

Just out of curiosity, what have other Ryzen 9 5950X owners achieved of max single and multi core clocks and at what voltage if manuel oc/tuned cores indevidual also with what cooling used?

For my part with air cooling. PBO i got a max single core boost of 5,15 GHz (above that, it´s diminishing returns) on 2-3 cores, rest hits 5.125 GHz or lower on CCD 1. CCD 2 seems to max out at 4.8 GHz no matter what core it is.
For manuel oc (not with individual core tuning), i got an all core clock of 4.65 GHz at 1,375 volt (tried 4.675 GHz and that was not stable. Cinebench run failed second round) and hitting 84C, so my cooling is on it´s max with that and why i did not puch it further. Stock it hits 55C on all core load.

Cinebench R23 stock

Cinebench R20/R23 with max single core boost of 5.15 GHz and manuel overclock with all cores locked at 4.65 GHz

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Could someone provide me a rundown of all the different voltage settings that are most critical for these chips. First AMD rig so im not familiar with them. Usually ROG or someone has a article written on this stuff but cant seem to find one.

 

[tabascosauz]

Could someone provide me a rundown of all the different voltage settings that are most critical for these chips. First AMD rig so im not familiar with them. Usually ROG or someone has a article written on this stuff but cant seem to find one.

Don't directly mess with Vcore unless you do all-core OC, which isn't exactly advisable for daily on 2CCD CPUs anyways. And Curve Optimizer is worked out on an individual basis.

• If it's not unstable/no WHEAs, no need to mess with any voltages.
• If the IF is crapping out at higher speeds, add a bit more VSOC, just stay below 1.2V (probably below 1.15V I'd say).
• If you still can't get it to stabilize without WHEAs say 1.15V VSOC at 3800, then you can try working with VDDP/VDDG. But they're temperamental, there's no one that can tell you exactly what will work for your setup, and cross that bridge when you ever get to it. Gigabyte is generally not bad at it.

VTTDDR don't need to touch unless you're going over 1.6V VDIMM, and you will not be running a daily mem OC there.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Don't directly mess with Vcore unless you do all-core OC, which isn't exactly advisable for daily on 2CCD CPUs anyways. And Curve Optimizer is worked out on an individual basis.

• If it's not unstable/no WHEAs, no need to mess with any voltages.
• If the IF is crapping out at higher speeds, add a bit more VSOC, just stay below 1.2V (probably below 1.15V I'd say).
• If you still can't get it to stabilize without WHEAs say 1.15V VSOC at 3800, then you can try working with VDDP/VDDG. But they're temperamental, there's no one that can tell you exactly what will work for your setup, and cross that bridge when you ever get to it. Gigabyte is generally not bad at it.

VTTDDR don't need to touch unless you're going over 1.6V VDIMM, and you will not be running a daily mem OC there.

Is there an equivalent to Intels VCCSA (system agent) voltage on AMD? Sounds like maybe its VSoc?

 

[Space Lynx]

I never had a single WHEA related error on my old Zen rig. What in the heck are you all doing to that poor silicon.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I never had a single WHEA related error on my old Zen rig. What in the heck are you all doing to that poor silicon.

It sounds like it happens more on Ryzen 5000.

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

Ryzen 5600x + X570 Aorus Elite, no issues.
5700 XT Aorus from Gigabyte, sold it months back.


Ryzen 5600X
Arctic Cooler Freezer 34 Esports Duo
16GB Corsair LPX 3000
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite
MSI Ventus OC RTX 2060
Super Flower Leadex III
WD Blue 1TB M.2
Crucial BX500 1TB
PNY CS900 120GB
WD RED 8TB
WD Green 500GB
Logitech G305
Akko Ocen Star 3084 SP

Gigabyte M27Q 170hz QHD IPS

BC 96KHZ/24-bit DAC
Phillips Fidelio X2HR + custom pads
Presonus Eris 3.5 monitors

 

[mama]

Just out of curiosity, what have other Ryzen 9 5950X owners achieved of max single and multi core clocks and at what voltage if manuel oc/tuned cores indevidual also with what cooling used?

For my part with air cooling. PBO i got a max single core boost of 5,15 GHz (above that, it´s diminishing returns) on 2-3 cores, rest hits 5.125 GHz or lower on CCD 1. CCD 2 seems to max out at 4.8 GHz no matter what core it is.
For manuel oc (not with individual core tuning), i got an all core clock of 4.65 GHz at 1,375 volt (tried 4.675 GHz and that was not stable. Cinebench run failed second round) and hitting 84C, so my cooling is on it´s max with that and why i did not puch it further. Stock it hits 55C on all core load.

Cinebench R23 stock
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Cinebench R20/R23 with max single core boost of 5.15 GHz and manuel overclock with all cores locked at 4.65 GHz
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Just set up my system again. Previous OC had boosts on some cores to 5.15Mhz but I thought something less shouty might be better. PPT at 185, TDC 125 and EDC 175. Set PBO2 to -5 on best and second best cores and -25 on the remainder. No WHEA errors after several weeks use and feels solid with good temps. I do note that one CCD runs lower clocks and runs cooler but I put that down to core variation. Here are some screenshots if you want a comparison:

 

[tabascosauz]

Just set up my system again. Previous OC had boosts on some cores to 5.15Mhz but I thought something less shouty might be better. PPT at 185, TDC 125 and EDC 175. Set PBO2 to -5 on best and second best cores and -25 on the remainder. No WHEA errors after several weeks use and feels solid with good temps. I do note that one CCD runs lower clocks and runs cooler but I put that down to core variation. Here are some screenshots if you want a comparison:

v6.42 is really old for HWInfo. Get the latest version - I've completely removed CCD temps from my list because the latest HWInfo has per-core temperatures. No more forced to make generalized assumptions about an entire CCD due to one core.

Every chip seems different, my CCD2 draws less power and clocks lower but has a few cores that run hot. My preferred cores on CCD1 (0 and 1) run hot because they only do -2 and -7, but the other four run cool.

Once you look at the per-core temps, AMD's silicon variance is REALLY on display......Core 8 on mine is what, 13c hotter than some other cores on all-core......wasn't it like 10c delta on Intel is bad enough to warrant a delid/reapply LM or something......

 

[tabascosauz]

117 seconds on 3700X with DJR
101 seconds on 5900X with B-die
99 seconds on 4650G with B-die
94 seconds on 5600G with B-die

 

[tabascosauz]

finally made it past 10,000 memory score on GB3! not much of an achievement really but I remember BZ saying that all serious benchers should only call themselves such if they get over 10k soooooooo does that mean I can finally join the club now

cherry on top, the profile is actually daily stable

• PBO mobo limits, +200 override
• -15 all cores CO
• 4333CL16 1:1

Vega 7 is still Vega 7 but holy hell these Zen 3 Cezanne cores are really kicking the shit out of Renoir, gained 3000 points in Fire Strike physics score over 4650G. 4200CL16 on Renoir was only ~9020 memory score.

 

[freeagent]

Man that thing rips

I am super impressed with my new fan setup. I should have tried this many many moons ago lol. It runs a tad warmer when its not doing anything, but that 5900X has a way of triggering those fans lol.. so at the top end its not much different than what I was running before, but on the bottom and midrange it is much easier on the ears. I just dealt with the noise before, but I am getting old for that stuff on a daily basis. Those fans ran everyday since 2006. Maybe that short I had messing with my system awhile ago was messing with my TY-143, because it is working just fine.. Pushes hard.. those new style Thermalright fans are actually really good. You should check em out. By you, I mean anyone who is reading my ramble. Kinda cheap.. sorta.. I wouldn't mind trying a smaller case.. like maybe that mini meshify.. I guess that would depend on how good that TUF B550M wifi is. I just got it out. Missed my first rma window because of my trip, printed the new label and got er out yesterday. Still pretty choked that no one at Newegg actually checked to see if the board worked or not. Open box right,. only makes sense.

 

[tabascosauz]

It runs a tad warmer when its not doing anything, but that 5900X has a way of triggering those fans lol.. so at the top end its not much different than what I was running before, but on the bottom and midrange it is much easier on the ears. I just dealt with the noise before, but I am getting old for that stuff on a daily basis. Those fans ran everyday since 2006. Maybe that short I had messing with my system awhile ago was messing with my TY-143, because it is working just fine.. Pushes hard.. those new style Thermalright fans are actually really good. You should check em out. By you, I mean anyone who is reading my ramble. Kinda cheap.. sorta.. I wouldn't mind trying a smaller case.. like maybe that mini meshify..

I quite like the Meshify C you have. I enjoyed building a 3600 rig for someone else in it; it was very well put together for the price. Would keep the ATX one though, don't think Gene or even Strix-type boards are coming back to mATX, and the ATX isn't even that big anyways just heavy.

Have you messed with the step-up and step-down time for the fans in Q-fan? imo that's literally the biggest reason to buy an Asus board, being able to set like 5 seconds hysteresis for CPU fan. I kind of miss having such long set periods in MSI BIOS (only up to 1 sec) but they seem to be working some hysteresis magic in anyways

 

[HD64G]

Quite honestly I should have taken the advice of others and saved $25 on the Ripjaws instead. Same bin, no need to run the bullshit RGB software at every bootup. I was just put off by some reviews on the Newegg page saying that the shitty Ripjaws heatspreader didn't make contact with half the chips on one side and G.skill CS response that temps of 56C were "normal". I guess I just let it get to me.

My final daily timings:

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3733 didn't work out either. It was looking good until the Bus/Interconnect WHEAs started again. On one 3800 config I tried it was spitting WHEAs like new benjamins out of the Federal Treasury. The B-die is clearly capable (really tempted to pop in the APU right now to see what it can do), but CPU is garbage.

Your VSOC is too low to OC your RAM so high and be stable. Give at least 1,1V there and set the RAM at auto voltage or up to 1,4V. My 5c.

 

[Raven Rampkin]

Zen garden? Old oak tree still goin' strong!
Got a bunch of RAM to play with, that I'm going thru, but this is the first kit I can say for sure I've squeezed everything out of - on the 1700 at least.

 

[freeagent]

Have you messed with the step-up and step-down time for the fans in Q-fan?

No I haven't, mainly because I like that reaction time, usually catches the heat before it becomes a problem

Although 3 out of my 5 fans are capable of 2500-3000 RPM, I could probably look into it now

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Its coming together...

 

[outpt]

That is super clean