Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[mama]

Are you exhausting to the bottom of the case?

Are you exhausting to the bottom of the case?

Or sucking in?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Are you exhausting to the bottom of the case?


Or sucking in?

Sucking in. I dont want negative air pressure.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

And its done. Just need the coolant to come that i ordered. Tried to make my own with EK cloud white and dye kit and couldnt get the blue tint i wanted

 

[freeagent]

Yay or nay?

ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero AM4 AMD X570S SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.ca

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Yay or nay?

ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero AM4 AMD X570S SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.ca

Meh. Look at the x570s aorus master. I think you get more for the money.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

What is everyone using to check temps on your CPUs?

 

[Space Lynx]

What is everyone using to check temps on your CPUs?

most people use HWINFO and its the go to standard.

 

[tabascosauz]

Meh. Look at the x570s aorus master. I think you get more for the money.

Isn't the hybrid OC still exclusive to Dark Hero? Methinks for what @freeagent does to his 5900X, Dark Hero would be more up his alley. Difference is like $30cad. He's got a pretty insane 5900X sample there anyway

I just can't get over how pepega the Gigabyte BIOS is for memory OC, it just has fits and never really recovers and needs a unplug+clear CMOS+drain battery to actually reset. Did they ever end up fixing the AX200/BT module disappearing on like half of the X570/B550 boards? Physically great and great-looking boards, but man the firmware

will say though, Gigabyte boards have always lasted me longer, so maybe that's a consideration for $500 boards

 

[freeagent]

I just can't get over how pepega the Gigabyte BIOS is for memory OC, it just has fits and never really recovers and needs a unplug+clear CMOS+drain battery to actually reset.

I have seen BZ fight with that more than once

I mean sure, sometimes I have to do that with my Asus, but its always because I took things way to far. Be it speed, timings or both. I am sure GB makes an ok board, but I think back to my last GB board and I don't really have anything good to say about it, other than the materials used in its construction were very nice, and it looked great.. but the performance was not. Being that was my first GB board.. those first impressions go a long way. And many many moons later I still look back with mild disdain.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

most people use HWINFO and its the go to standard.

oh sweet. Never used it. But I like it

Isn't the hybrid OC still exclusive to Dark Hero? Methinks for what @freeagent does to his 5900X, Dark Hero would be more up his alley. Difference is like $30cad. He's got a pretty insane 5900X sample there anyway

I just can't get over how pepega the Gigabyte BIOS is for memory OC, it just has fits and never really recovers and needs a unplug+clear CMOS+drain battery to actually reset. Did they ever end up fixing the AX200/BT module disappearing on like half of the X570/B550 boards? Physically great and great-looking boards, but man the firmware

will say though, Gigabyte boards have always lasted me longer, so maybe that's a consideration for $500 boards

I haven't touched the RAM at all on my system yet. I think its sitting at 2400 right now. Just trying to get everything setup now that the build is done.

 

[tabascosauz]

oh sweet. Never used it. But I like it

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I haven't touched the RAM at all on my system yet. I think its sitting at 2400 right now. Just trying to get everything setup now that the build is done.

HWInfo is basically the only real option for Ryzen. Ryzen Master isn't very suited to monitoring (though it has the most accurate idle voltages and clocks), HWMonitor/Core Temp isn't great for Ryzen. Not sure about Argus Monitor

I set up my old GW2765HT 27" 1440p as a vertical monitor, it's basically perfect for monitoring. I used to think that HWInfo was the source of my stuttering (it certainly has a minor impact on CPU benchmarks), but now that I know the culprit was CJR, I've gone back to running HWInfo all the time again.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

HWInfo is basically the only real option for Ryzen. Ryzen Master isn't very suited to monitoring (though it has the most accurate idle voltages and clocks), HWMonitor/Core Temp isn't great for Ryzen. Not sure about Argus Monitor

I set up my old GW2765HT 27" 1440p as a vertical monitor, it's basically perfect for monitoring. I used to think that HWInfo was the source of my stuttering (it certainly has a minor impact on CPU benchmarks), but now that I know the culprit was CJR, I've gone back to running HWInfo all the time again.

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I was going to say. Coretemp temps seem off for Ryzen

HWInfo is basically the only real option for Ryzen. Ryzen Master isn't very suited to monitoring (though it has the most accurate idle voltages and clocks), HWMonitor/Core Temp isn't great for Ryzen. Not sure about Argus Monitor

I set up my old GW2765HT 27" 1440p as a vertical monitor, it's basically perfect for monitoring. I used to think that HWInfo was the source of my stuttering (it certainly has a minor impact on CPU benchmarks), but now that I know the culprit was CJR, I've gone back to running HWInfo all the time again.

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Theres got to be a way to see external temp sensor values via hwinfo right? Sensors that are connected into the motherboard?

I guess I can just use Gigabytes System Information viewer software as part of their App Center.

 

[tabascosauz]

I was going to say. Coretemp temps seem off for Ryzen


Theres got to be a way to see external temp sensor values via hwinfo right? Sensors that are connected into the motherboard?

Should show up in HWInfo. Possibly under board sensors section (after CPU Enhanced section), Gigabyte has pretty good SuperI/O reporting.

Coolant temp monitoring | Overclock.net

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Should show up in HWInfo. Possibly under board sensors section (after CPU Enhanced section), Gigabyte has pretty good SuperI/O reporting.

Coolant temp monitoring | Overclock.net

I think i found it. Doesnt specifically say it but bios was saying it was about 30-33c and i found a temp reading in hwinfo in that range.

I need to update this boards BIOS. I get the windows usb reconnect sounds every once and a while. They posted a new bios recently with the 1.2.0.3b agesa update that sounds like its helping that issue.

 

[tabascosauz]

I think i found it. Doesnt specifically say it but bios was saying it was about 30-33c and i found a temp reading in hwinfo in that range.

I need to update this boards BIOS. I get the windows usb reconnect sounds every once and a while. They posted a new bios recently with the 1.2.0.3b agesa update that sounds like its helping that issue.

The USB problems have literally been around since forever, I have no confidence in their ability. 1201A was supposed to fix it, 1202 was the original that was supposed to fix it, 1203A/B are supposed to fix it......I think somewhere between 1201A and 1203 I stopped getting the sounds, but still have the popping and by then I was used to it

Read a couple of times that its more common if you use a lot of PCIe 4.0, but idk, I just gave up

 

[Space Lynx]

The USB problems have literally been around since forever, I have no confidence in their ability. 1201A was supposed to fix it, 1202 was the original that was supposed to fix it, 1203A/B are supposed to fix it......I think somewhere between 1201A and 1203 I stopped getting the sounds, but still have the popping and by then I was used to it

Read a couple of times that its more common if you use a lot of PCIe 4.0, but idk, I just gave up

can you be more specific what you mean by USB problems? i literally had zero issues with my 5600x/rx 6800 system

 

[MxPhenom 216]

The USB problems have literally been around since forever, I have no confidence in their ability. 1201A was supposed to fix it, 1202 was the original that was supposed to fix it, 1203A/B are supposed to fix it......I think somewhere between 1201A and 1203 I stopped getting the sounds, but still have the popping and by then I was used to it

Read a couple of times that its more common if you use a lot of PCIe 4.0, but idk, I just gave up

Yeah, ive read that too. I only have my GPU and one NVME GEN4 drive. I guess we will see. Idk why AMD struggles with USB so much. Its crazy to me

I am going to try tp get my RAM set up tomorrow. Should i even bother with XMP?

 

[tabascosauz]

Yeah, ive read that too. I only have my GPU and one NVME GEN4 drive. I guess we will see. Idk why AMD struggles with USB so much. Its crazy to me

I am going to try tp get my RAM set up tomorrow. Should i even bother with XMP?

tbf boards are all different as to what ports they hook up to PCH and which ones to CPU, but I've never had problems with the APUs, feels like it's an I/O die problem that they just don't wanna admit so they keep on claiming it can be fixed through firmware.

Yea 3600CL14 1.45V XMP is pretty good. I really can't notice any daily difference to 3800CL14. If you don't wanna get into all the subtimings then I'd just leave it on XMP.

can you be more specific what you mean by USB problems? i literally had zero issues with my 5600x/rx 6800 system

it's not remotely a secret, USB dropouts, USB disconnecting sound without actually disconnecting, USB audio noise/popping, etc. They've been actively trying to fix it for half a year now

 

[TheLostSwede]

it's not remotely a secret, USB dropouts, USB disconnecting sound without actually disconnecting, USB audio noise/popping, etc. They've been actively trying to fix it for half a year now

Never had any of these issues. I did have some issues with the USB 2.0 ports, but that was because of the cheap-ass Genesys Logic USB 2.0 hub Gigabyte use on some of their boards, but that was with devices not being recognised or powered properly, not with what you're describing.
Not saying it doesn't happen, as people have clearly had multiple issues or AMD wouldn't have been looking into it.

As a point of reference, AMD had the worst native USB 3.0 host controller back in the AM2 days, as I tested almost all USB 3.0 controllers available at the time. Tried to talk to the guy at AMD, as he was at Computex, he refused to talk to me and ran off... Very mature.

 

[tabascosauz]

Never had any of these issues. I did have some issues with the USB 2.0 ports, but that was because of the cheap-ass Genesys Logic USB 2.0 hub Gigabyte use on some of their boards, but that was with devices not being recognised or powered properly, not with what you're describing.
Not saying it doesn't happen, as people have clearly had multiple issues or AMD wouldn't have been looking into it.

As a point of reference, AMD had the worst native USB 3.0 host controller back in the AM2 days, as I tested almost all USB 3.0 controllers available at the time. Tried to talk to the guy at AMD, as he was at Computex, he refused to talk to me and ran off... Very mature.

I was at one point considering 11700K/10850K so I guess I can't complain, it's what I deserve for still giving AMD a second chance after horrid 3700X I wish they'd stop acting like the underdog and thinking that whatever half-assery they pull they'll just be forgiven by their fanboy community......there's valid excuses out there, but it's not 2017 anymore, they gotta start putting the effort in

I need to update this boards BIOS.

I was going to say that you can load a few BIOSes onto the USB and just shop around between them at will to see which one works the best, but realized that there are only 2 BIOSes LOL

The July 13th F13 release for 1.2.0.3b has been a big pain in the ass for me on my 5700G. Gigabyte's F13l beta BIOS works fine (basically identical, but beta), but somehow they absolutely torpedoed iGPU performance as well as IF stability north of 2100MHz in the release BIOS. Lots of Gigabyte boards have the same July 13th date stamp on their 1.2.0.3b BIOSes so it's probably a similar BIOS tailored for every board. They pulled it once, then returned it to the webpage, but I tested it and it was literally the exact same file.

Not saying you'll run into the same problems, 1.2.0.3b works okay on my Unify-X (minus audio popping ofc, but what else is new), 1.2.0.3b beta works on the B550I Aorus AX, and 1.2.0.3b release worked fine on the B550I Gaming Edge MAX I had (somewhat crappy CPU perf tho).

I don't expect Gigabyte to fix or replace F13 for at least the next month, not with the ransomware going on and most of their support pages being completely broken. Feel kinda bad for them honestly. On another forum I asked another owner with the same board to test F13 with a Cezanne APU and the perf was lower exactly as I expected at the same settings, by the margin I was expecting

 

[HD64G]

Latest chipset/platform from the Intel side is worst in quirks than AMD's AM4 today. And the usb problem (that I also faced with a specific UEFI version) has being solved for months now with UEFI updates.

 

[Taraquin]

tbf boards are all different as to what ports they hook up to PCH and which ones to CPU, but I've never had problems with the APUs, feels like it's an I/O die problem that they just don't wanna admit so they keep on claiming it can be fixed through firmware.

Yea 3600CL14 1.45V XMP is pretty good. I really can't notice any daily difference to 3800CL14. If you don't wanna get into all the subtimings then I'd just leave it on XMP.

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it's not remotely a secret, USB dropouts, USB disconnecting sound without actually disconnecting, USB audio noise/popping, etc. They've been actively trying to fix it for half a year now

Are that 3600-setup an xmp-setup? Must be the best I've seen I see that with the xmp-value on my PV 4400cl19 they do good primaries and some subs like trfc, but trc and tfaw is terrible.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I was at one point considering 11700K/10850K so I guess I can't complain, it's what I deserve for still giving AMD a second chance after horrid 3700X I wish they'd stop acting like the underdog and thinking that whatever half-assery they pull they'll just be forgiven by their fanboy community......there's valid excuses out there, but it's not 2017 anymore, they gotta start putting the effort in

They're still playing the underdog card...

I guess part of the issue is still getting the right people in the right positions.
What AMD really need to do is hire some more senior engineers and start building in-house reference designs, for all their various platforms, as this will 1. help find hardware bugs 2. help find software bugs and 3. speed up time to market, as the motherboard/laptop makers have to spend less time figuring shit out on their own.
It's not good enough to dump some engineering guidelines, an early firmware/UEFI and some alpha drivers with the device makers when your main competitor have local FAE people that bring complete kits and turn up with new bits when needed, as well as help debug the issues on site.

This is imho, one of AMD's biggest flaws at the moment. They really need to work a lot closer with their partners to get rid of all the little issues before they launch new platforms. It shouldn't be a six month period of updates to try to make systems stable any more. That was ok for the first and maybe the second generation, but by now, it really shouldn't be happening, but still clearly is.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what AM5 brings, but this time I'm going to skip the first generation, as I have had a Ryzen 7 1700 and my current Ryzen 7 3800X and both had way too many weird bugs and issues early on. Did they get fixed? Sure and both systems worked well, although the 1700 never really liked my RAM, but hey...

AM5 needs to be as flawless as possible at launch, but I have my doubts.

Not hating on AMD here, as they have shown they can make really good CPUs, but the rest of the ecosystem needs to be on the same level.

Oh and if they don't want to make their own chipsets, at least pay your partners enough that they can make proper solutions. For those not in the know, most of the original ASMedia people are from VIA, hence the various lawsuits in the past. They should be more than capable of making a chipset. Or alternatively, open it up for more companies so we get some competition there too.

 

[tabascosauz]

Latest chipset/platform from the Intel side is worst in quirks than AMD's AM4 today. And the usb problem (that I also faced with a specific UEFI version) has being solved for months now with UEFI updates.

Any specific as to Intel "quirk"? Only thing I can recall lately is launch microcode for RKL being a little slow on performance.

That's AMD's position on the matter. Issue is, they've been saying the same thing for every revision since 1201A (technically 1202, 1201A was a backport of the fix). A quick check around the web shows that it's clearly not fixed completely as of 1203b. Given that it affects a whole variety of audio interfaces (like mine), VR headsets and other devices, I doubt it ever will be ironed out entirely.

Are that 3600-setup an xmp-setup? Must be the best I've seen I see that with the xmp-value on my PV 4400cl19 they do good primaries and some subs like trfc, but trc and tfaw is terrible.

The XMP on my dual rank kit is 14-14-14, but the 1.42V daily profile is something I worked out on my own. They're not in the same league as my single rank sticks, my 4400 Viper Steels refuse to do CL14, or 4/4/16/4/8/10 stable.

They're still playing the underdog card...

I guess part of the issue is still getting the right people in the right positions.
What AMD really need to do is hire some more senior engineers and start building in-house reference designs, for all their various platforms, as this will 1. help find hardware bugs 2. help find software bugs and 3. speed up time to market, as the motherboard/laptop makers have to spend less time figuring shit out on their own.
It's not good enough to dump some engineering guidelines, an early firmware/UEFI and some alpha drivers with the device makers when your main competitor have local FAE people that bring complete kits and turn up with new bits when needed, as well as help debug the issues on site.

This is imho, one of AMD's biggest flaws at the moment. They really need to work a lot closer with their partners to get rid of all the little issues before they launch new platforms. It shouldn't be a six month period of updates to try to make systems stable any more. That was ok for the first and maybe the second generation, but by now, it really shouldn't be happening, but still clearly is.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what AM5 brings, but this time I'm going to skip the first generation, as I have had a Ryzen 7 1700 and my current Ryzen 7 3800X and both had way too many weird bugs and issues early on. Did they get fixed? Sure and both systems worked well, although the 1700 never really liked my RAM, but hey...

AM5 needs to be as flawless as possible at launch, but I have my doubts.

Not hating on AMD here, as they have shown they can make really good CPUs, but the rest of the ecosystem needs to be on the same level.

Oh and if they don't want to make their own chipsets, at least pay your partners enough that they can make proper solutions. For those not in the know, most of the original ASMedia people are from VIA, hence the various lawsuits in the past. They should be more than capable of making a chipset. Or alternatively, open it up for more companies so we get some competition there too.

I keep on hearing (probably on r/AMD lol) that AMD is too small to run as big a testing team, but whatever the case it's not acceptable to treat one's customers as the testing team, definitely not the second or third time around

Feel like Intel might be going down the same road with their heterogeneous computing though, probably headaches all around in 2022. But I think I have a bit more confidence in them fixing bugs in a relatively short time frame.

 

[R-T-B]

I can say the reports of a buggy bios are what turned me from rocket lake to X570, and I haven't had many issues personally. But then again, my onboard audio is not even used, so...